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Post# 127007 , Reply# 1   5/6/2006 at 13:00 (6,536 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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If you do it to my LG, it will detect it as an oversudsing incident and run the suds protocal. Why are you adding more water? These machines are designed to wash very well with only the amount of water needed to wet the laundry + a little extra. On the LG if I want to use more water I choose the Permanent Press Cycle. The delicate cycles use more water also, but they limit tumbling action to a few seconds a cycle. Overall, I think the LG washes better than any machine I've used in the USA. |
Post# 127016 , Reply# 3   5/6/2006 at 14:26 (6,536 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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I also have a LG 3677 combo full size machine. It uses little water and everything comes out clean. The spray action improves wash action with only a little water. I am satisified with the unit but I feel you should be able to add more water. The only thing I don't like is the time it takes to balance a load to spin (sort of wastes a lot of time) Peter |
Post# 127076 , Reply# 5   5/6/2006 at 19:46 (6,536 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I've never felt the need to add more water to my Neptune 7500. For large bulky hard-to-wet loads, I will choose a longer wash cycle, or the stain cycle, which adds about 15 minutes to the wash portion. This helps ensure that everything gets thoroughly wetted. On many modern FL's, however, the control panel has been dumbed down so that you never really know how long the wash part of the cycle is taking unless you time it. I suppose too many focus groups told too many washer designers that they don't want to do the "math" involved with selecting a wash time appropriate to a load size, fabric type, and/or soil level. What is supposed to be better "ease of use" turns out to be more lack of control. |
Post# 127096 , Reply# 7   5/6/2006 at 21:07 (6,536 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Kelly-- I can't help but think there's something wrong with the machine if there are dry spots on comforters (or whatever bedding you mentioned in a prior post)at the end of a wash cycle. I wash a heavy, absorbent queen-size comforter in my FL Frigidaire and the thing is soaking wet a couple of minutes into the cycle. There's no 'drop', as the tub is stuffed very full, but it's definitely saturated and you can see suds squeezing in and out the center of the load.
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Post# 127143 , Reply# 10   5/7/2006 at 03:26 (6,536 days old) by brettsomers ()   |   | |
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i will agree, for heavily soiled loads, the machine simply MUST be able to heat the wash water. the ratio of water to clothes is such that the clothes cool the water. all water-thrifty FLs should have a heater. |
Post# 127185 , Reply# 17   5/7/2006 at 10:02 (6,535 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)   |   | |
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Did the Bosch actually die or did you put it down? :-) Remember what I did when I was a kid LOL What'll you replace it with? I've heard the new Servis is s**t hot. |
Post# 127199 , Reply# 19   5/7/2006 at 12:07 (6,535 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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rinso--- I guess this is why many of the newest machines have 'Bulky' cycles that add extra water when washing comforters, etc. My 2003 FL Frigidaire isn't as stingy with water as a new Hettie4 (and some others), but it also uses less water per fill than my old WCI-era FL Gibson/Westinghouse. I embrace appliances that use less water/energy, but if it gets to the point (and apparantly it has) that cleaning is compromised, then we've taken water conservation in washers as far as we can. As I get 'washer fever' every few years, I keep thinking I should invest in one of the newest FL models from Whirlpool, GE, LG, Maytag or Frigidaire (all of which are available in or near my tiny village). With the gripes I keep reading here concerning compromised cleaning and cycle length issues (usually due to long pre-spin balancing acts), I think I'll hang on to my '03! By the way, with which brand did you replace your old FL Frigidaire pair? |
Post# 127212 , Reply# 23   5/7/2006 at 13:56 (6,535 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)   |   | |
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I hope that things are OK with your Nana and your Dad Jon. |
Post# 127226 , Reply# 25   5/7/2006 at 15:13 (6,535 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)   |   | |
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You can! :-). Several people over on THS have successfully managed to pimp their Touchtronics :-). Jon |
Post# 127228 , Reply# 26   5/7/2006 at 15:30 (6,535 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)   |   | |
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Their are definitely dry spots in a very large load on my LG at the end of the prewash cycle. I've gotten around this by starting the cycle with the Permanent Press WASH cycle, interrupting the machine and then setting it to a full cycle starting with PREWASH. The machine drains the tub to a preset level, but by then the load is completely wet. I've found after a couple of years I tend to use the Permanent Press cycle more than the Normal. I know we have very soft water down here on the CT shoreline; maybe that makes a difference but I always have clean laundry. Nothing works on heavily stained laundry than the FL program of cold prewash, wash, several rinses and a fast spin. You can't beat it. It was interesting to note, at least on the LG that the most heavy duty cycle, COTTONS AND LINENS, the water level is at its lowest and the tumble interval is greatest. With less water in the tub to buffer the fabrics, there is more "action" on them. As long as the fabrics are totally wet, they're going to release soil.
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Post# 127230 , Reply# 27   5/7/2006 at 16:28 (6,535 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)   |   | |
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place this link in a browser www.putfile.com/bpetersxx... My Haier front loader videos are in my folder in putfile currently seeing if I can raise the water level in the FrankenHaier CLICK HERE TO GO TO bpetersxx's LINK |
Post# 127232 , Reply# 28   5/7/2006 at 16:40 (6,535 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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After hotly defending the level used here in Germany in LGs I have since heard from many folks that they don't use nearly the same amount in the 'States. Since they are considered very efficient here, I am not surprised to hear that so many folks are unhappy about that. Almost all modern washers can be adjusted - either electronically or on the mechanical level sensor - to use enough water to get the job done. The question is, though - why should you have too? We are talking about serious money here. I am especially curious about reprogramming Miele - can anyone describe the process in more detail? To reprogram mine involves a very expensive service call - and since it has always worked perfectly, I have never been tempted. |
Post# 127247 , Reply# 29   5/7/2006 at 18:33 (6,535 days old) by mistervain ()   |   | |
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I would also like more detail on reprogramming Miele, is this only available on certain models, etc? And how much are the services calls? |
Post# 127293 , Reply# 31   5/7/2006 at 23:20 (6,535 days old) by mistervain ()   |   | |
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Interesting. Hopefully the US versions are adjustable as well, though it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Energy Star police ruined it for us Americans. |
Post# 127297 , Reply# 33   5/7/2006 at 23:36 (6,535 days old) by brettsomers ()   |   | |
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seems like most of the complaints are about LGs? |
Post# 127306 , Reply# 34   5/8/2006 at 00:20 (6,535 days old) by mistervain ()   |   | |
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How much would one of the Mieles run in American dollars? |
Post# 127312 , Reply# 36   5/8/2006 at 00:40 (6,535 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City)   |   | |
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That machine is exactly like mine!! I have looked on the UK website and never saw like it.I never thought to look on the AU site. I personally have never had any complaints as far as the water levels are concerned, it always does a fine job, however, on some programs, you can choose a "sensative"---or in other words "water plus" option, and others you cannot. I like having the extra rinses. I find myself using the "costom option" whch is what I wish that i could do on more of the programs. I wash alot of sheets for my side business and like the Sanitize option, but the spin speeds are to fast for sheets. It is also nice to have an internal water heater;I am always amazed at the stuff that you can see when they come out of the dryer that you are not wearing, namely dirt. . You do not see that on very many US made front loaders. I have also had the Maytag neptunes home version.When I had a roomate who overloaded it. he also had dry spots on his clothes. I was told that the rule of thumb with a Maytag Neptune was when the machine was full, i should still be able to touch the back of the drum with my hand. If I could not, i should take out some laundry. Comercial Neptunes I am asuming can have the water usage can be programed in to be stingy.It would make perfect sence in Seattle, my second home.
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Post# 127324 , Reply# 37   5/8/2006 at 02:27 (6,535 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 127343 , Reply# 38   5/8/2006 at 07:52 (6,534 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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rinso-- Thanks for the info! The more I hear about the newest FL'ers, the more I'm convinced I'll stick with my '03 Frigidaire until it gives up the ghost. The first generation '96 Frigi/Lux I used to have is still going strong, now servicing a 3-apt. building. Hope my '03 proves to be that reliable!
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Post# 127391 , Reply# 44   5/8/2006 at 12:14 (6,534 days old) by brettsomers ()   |   | |
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there ARE a lot of people very happy with their front loaders. if the Duet can get my friends HUGE loads clean, there must be something happening correctly. |
Post# 127400 , Reply# 45   5/8/2006 at 12:45 (6,534 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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I've certainly been happy with my Frigidaire. I never pretreat stains, I never use a pre-wash or an extra rinse. I get excellent results with highly stained loads of kitchen whites using temp-controlled cold water, powdered (not liquid) Tide Cold Water and liquid chlorine bleach. If it's a BobLoad, I'll sometimes add an extra 10 minutes to the wash time. Designgeek, I'm with you---I'd rather see mechanical timers which are easy for the user to manipulate if desired. Again, the more I take into consideration all the changes I've seen in FL'ers the past couple of years, I'm hanging onto my old school '03 FL'er. Even if it doesn't have a huge tub and riser platforms and computerized controls. Frankly, I'm glad it doesn't have oversudsing sensors and a 10-minute balancing act before it spins. |