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Post# 854902   12/3/2015 at 19:13 (3,058 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        

We drove a total of 10 hours yesterday to pick this up, The people bought this to use when their power went out....and never used it!


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Post# 854903 , Reply# 1   12/3/2015 at 19:14 (3,058 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Im going to

Set it beside the Frigidaire, 2 ovens and 8 burners!


Post# 854909 , Reply# 2   12/3/2015 at 20:02 (3,058 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest)        

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Nice !
I like the 20" and 24" apartment stoves. To find what appears to be a late 70s model, UNUSED, .... someone did good.


Post# 854923 , Reply# 3   12/3/2015 at 21:50 (3,057 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Now!!

I have to hunt up my flaring tool and go buy a roll of copper tubing so I can get it all hooked up to the propane tank!..I have to work this weekend so maybe it will be a Monday project,,Its amazing how much better built this stove is than whats sold today, the porcelain is so much more glossy looking.


Post# 854927 , Reply# 4   12/3/2015 at 22:19 (3,057 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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Was it made in Cleveland?

Post# 854937 , Reply# 5   12/4/2015 at 00:10 (3,057 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Very nice Hardwick.   If winter gets cruel with ice and snow, you are all set now.  You now have dual fuel done exactly right. Congrats Art


Post# 854941 , Reply# 6   12/4/2015 at 01:32 (3,057 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest)        
Oh,

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You're ACTUALLY going to use it?
See how nice and shiny that metal is on the burners? All it takes is lighting it once and the shine is gone. Been there, done that.

If I'm understanding this correctly, you're planning for the event of a power outage, to use said stove for home heating and cooking?
Wouldn't it be better, if you're going to use gas as a heat source, to get a thermostatically controlled heater?


Post# 854954 , Reply# 7   12/4/2015 at 06:34 (3,057 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Of course

Im going to use it...BUT NOT for heating, nothing will ruin a range faster!I have gas logs that will heat the house fine if the power goes out, I just like cooking on gas and electric, Yes it was made in Cleveland Tennessee,


Post# 854957 , Reply# 8   12/4/2015 at 06:56 (3,057 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I'm glad you did not say two broilers because unless you have a gas InfraRay burner, gas provides little in the way of infra red heat for successful broiling. When we had the Crown range, mom only pan broiled, but she was used to broiling in the electric range that came with the house in Grand Ridge and in no time, we were back to broiling when we got the GE.

Western Holly ovens had a screen around the burner under the oven that glowed red in the broiling flame. Those broiled about as well as an electric range.

I hope with the El Nino that you don't have to go through power failures.


Post# 854961 , Reply# 9   12/4/2015 at 07:18 (3,057 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Very cute little guy, that's going to be fun next to the Thrifty-30 Frigidaire.

Are there particular foods you like baked in a gas oven vs. electric? I know some things like frying are easier controlled with a gas flame on the stovetop, but I wonder if you've noticed a difference in baking & roasting, too.



Post# 854996 , Reply# 10   12/4/2015 at 11:13 (3,057 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Butcha know what's not so good about frying with gas? The heat coming up around the pan carries the vapors up. If you don't have a hood, they go on the ceiling and cabinets. I never had a problem with cooking on an electric range. GE told you which heat to use for which operation. Hotpoint called them Recipe Heats. GE said that the recommended settings were for mid-weight aluminum utensils so for Stainless Steel cooking utensils to use a 25 degree lower setting with the SensiTemp and one heat lower with the 5 heats worked well, too, so 3 instead of 2 for fast frying and low instead of 3 for gentle frying. The last thing I need induction for is pan frying, although it is great for deep frying with the temperature control since that is what I have in the kitchen now for thermostatically controlled surface cooking.

Post# 855016 , Reply# 11   12/4/2015 at 13:40 (3,057 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
I like

Baking with gas much better than electric, it does not dry out your food nearly as much, Simmering is better on electric units, because most gas burners simply wont turn down low enough, but frying is far better on gas, especially using something like Revere Ware that doesent heat evenly, the gas flame spreads the heat much better than the coils do.


Post# 855017 , Reply# 12   12/4/2015 at 13:43 (3,057 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Re Broiling!

I FORBID ANYTHING being broiled...My Mother was always broiling stuff and the oven was always a greasy mess, If it needs to be broiled I will go to a restaurant and get it!..LOL..But gas does to me broil better  with less mess because the flame eats the smoke.


Post# 855027 , Reply# 13   12/4/2015 at 14:28 (3,057 days old) by ken (NYS)        

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I believe Ive seen some members comment in the past how the mere use of their gas range creates a film on the range and cabinetry. I guess you have to remember gas is a petroleum product and its not 100% clean burning. And some residue is left from its combustion.

Post# 855037 , Reply# 14   12/4/2015 at 15:10 (3,057 days old) by mikael3 (Atlanta)        
Gas vs Electric.

A gas surface is ideal for sautéing and pan frying, the sorts of thing where I want to move quickly between higher and lower heats.  For similar reasons, I very much prefer gas for hollandaise, beurre blanc, and similar sauces, and even for heating eggs for a génoise batter.  I also like gas for roasting chiles—there’s nothing like an open flame for that.

 

An electric surface is ideal for boiling big pots of water—I’m shocked at how much faster it is than gas—and for low simmers, for extended cooking of all sorts, like stews, and for shallow-fat frying. For these applications, the ability to set a specific heat output and keep it constant is ideal.  (Controlled output is also why I’ve learned to love the non-infinite dials and push-buttons of older models.)

 

In short—

Gas: instant heat adjustment, open-flame applications

Electric: precise levels of heat output, better heat transfer

 

For canning, which seems to take place only on the hottest days of summer, I use a propane “patio stove” out on the deck.  That kind of work simply has to happen outside.  (I would use an electric version if such a thing existed, but it doesn’t.)

 

For broiling... well, gas units shouldn’t even include a broiler.

 

Ovens are a trickier thing to judge.  In my experience, no gas oven has ever performed as well as an electric one.  But the fault very likely lies in the low quality of the gas ovens I was using, not entirely in the fuel source.  Even so, gas units must have an intake of air, which makes the oven temperature unstable, while electric units only need a little outgoing ventilation, which just naturally leads to a more even temperature.  Only the best gas ovens even try to overcome this problem; but even then, I remain unconvinced.  I can trace two dramatic baking failures to gas ovens, both of them destroying baked items that were expected a parties I was catering.  You don’t go through that and forget it.


Post# 855046 , Reply# 15   12/4/2015 at 15:57 (3,057 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
My experience has been

A gas oven produces a pound or angel food cake that is consistently a inch or two higher and more moist than an electric oven.


Post# 855049 , Reply# 16   12/4/2015 at 16:02 (3,057 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
And

The older gas ovens with the modulating flame control hold a MUCH more even temperature than the best electric ever could.


Post# 855099 , Reply# 17   12/4/2015 at 23:16 (3,056 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest)        

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Everyone knows..... Gas is better. What's the worst that could happen?
Even a kid can do it.


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Post# 855102 , Reply# 18   12/5/2015 at 00:36 (3,056 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

I've found the opposite to be true, at least as far as ovens go- the worst electric ovens I've used have baked better than the best gas ovens I've used, even commercial convection ovens. That said, I've come to prefer electric for stovetop cooking as well- except those evil smoothtop things that people seem to love! Gas is better with pots and pans that may not be totally flat, where as electric gives terrible hot and cold spots where ever the element isn't making contact. Electric is much easier controlled and can be run at lower heat settings than even possible with gas- since we've had an electric stove, I've completely stopped using a double boiler for anything that requires one, and just use low heat settings carefully, directly on the burner. Some people prefer to cook with gas though, and to each his own. I'll never own another gas stove though, I'd rather cook in the microwave (yuck!)

Post# 855104 , Reply# 19   12/5/2015 at 01:11 (3,056 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        
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Dustin, I also prefer electric for all the same reasons you state above. I also believe that electric stoves are cleaner too. And electric is faster. A few years ago we were at our niece's home for Thanksgiving and I was making the gravy. She has a gas stove and in order to get enough heat to bring the gravy to a boil I had the burner up as high as it would go. The flames were literally licking up the sides of the pan, burning my hands, but the gravy sure was taking forever to boil and thicken. I would never have a gas stove. I prefer the more controlled heat of electric.

Post# 855114 , Reply# 20   12/5/2015 at 04:43 (3,056 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Wow Hans, you must really like that stove if you drive 10 hours in total to get it. I must say it's a cute looking stove, it looks a bit European, like some gas stoves from the 70's.

I guess this stove doesn't have any kind of ignition system? You just light it with a match? Seems like the way to go for a power outage.

I wonder why the negative comments about gas cooking are being posted here without saying something about the stove. To me that comes across as raining on someone's parade. Say something nice or don't say anything at all.




Post# 855117 , Reply# 21   12/5/2015 at 05:57 (3,056 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Ignition System...

It has pilots for the top and oven...It doesent bother me, everyone has an opinion, When I first started reading comments about stoves on here, I was astounded at peoples likes and dislikes, Ive come to believe its a regional thing,I grew up in an area where electric ranges outnumbered gas at least 50 to 1, The main objection to gas I heard growing up was" I don't want gas, It might blow up!" Which of course was as irrational as my fear of flying....Doesent matter, Im still NOT getting on anything that gets off the ground...Airplane, roller coaster or tall building..NO thank you!..LOL Something that really convinced me as a kid that gas was a better baker was a good friend of ours had a old 36 inch match light Magic Chef, her cakes were always much higher and lighter than anyone elses, you could spot her cakes at Church dinners all the way across the room, It HAD to be the oven because she used the same recipes and ingredients as many of the other women at church..I think peoples perception of quality is based on what they grew up with, in my hometown, people with money had Frigidaire and Westinghouse appliances, GE and Hotpoint were considered cheaper, Many guys here see GE as a TOL product, it all goes back to what you grew up with and like....But the fact remains, darn near ALL professional chefs use gas!..The reason I wanted a Hardwick is that it was made in Cleveland Tennessee and I have actually been by the factory,Hardwick was never a high end brand, but it sure was a quality product.


Post# 855242 , Reply# 22   12/5/2015 at 23:55 (3,055 days old) by Kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan)        

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I love that little stove Hans!! It will be a perfect companion to your Frigidaire 30 - and it doubles your cooking and baking capacity!! It will also be a nice option to go fron electric to gas whenever you like. Enjoy!!!

Post# 855349 , Reply# 23   12/6/2015 at 14:27 (3,055 days old) by mikael3 (Atlanta)        

Louis, we got onto gas vs electric because Han now has both, and several obvious questions come out of that.  I hope my comments weren’t perceived as negative somehow.

 

I would like to respond to Hans’s comment about getting better cakes from a gas oven.  My gas disasters both involved pastry—puff pastry in one instance, and that experience was a living nightmare, with butter oozing out everywhere and the pastry never turning even slightly brown.  I wonder if the gas advantage is specifically for cakes and such?  Have you also had good luck with pastry, Hans, other than the crust at the bottom of a pie?

 

As I mentioned in my post, I like gas and electric for different purposes, and I’m always interested in hearing likes and dislikes from someone who has a lot of experience with both. 


Post# 855352 , Reply# 24   12/6/2015 at 15:07 (3,055 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        
Hans,

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I certainly didn't mean to rain on your parade with my comments about gas vs electric stoves. I am very happy for you that you found this very nice apt. size gas stove. I know that you really enjoy your collection of stoves and you are so fortunate to have the room to have several vintage stoves. I should also add that I do believe that there is a real difference between the newer gas stoves and vintage. I could get used to a vintage O'Keefe and Merritt gas stove or another brand from 50 yrs ago or older. But I really think the newer gas stoves leave a lot to be desired. Anyway, please accept my apology if I in anyway offended you. I really appreciate how you so painstakingly preserve and restore these fine older stoves.
Eddie


Post# 855360 , Reply# 25   12/6/2015 at 15:57 (3,055 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Oh Lord no!!LOL

No one offended me!!, I love the discussion, I just have had such good luck with a gas oven..I have baked not only all kinds of cakes, but cookies, cream puffs, biscuits as well as pies, so I  have baked a large number of different items, we all like different things, that's what makes the world go round..LOL


Post# 855363 , Reply# 26   12/6/2015 at 16:15 (3,055 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

My last cabin had a MT gas Gemini. I'm more used to electric. I tried to like the Tag but had "issues" with it. If the ceiling fans were on they would blow the flame around. I never learned how to quickly boil water. If I turned the gas up the flame would come up the sides of the pan and make the handle too hot to hold.

Post# 855366 , Reply# 27   12/6/2015 at 16:30 (3,055 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I'm glad you're not offended Hans. Perhaps I'm a bit too sensitive about this. But I do still think it is polite to say something nice if somebody finds something he is passionate about and only after that start a discussion. Just my two cents.

Post# 1132585 , Reply# 28   11/3/2021 at 10:50 (896 days old) by Pam9az11 (Detroit)        
Hardwick stove

I have a Hardwick stove that is very similar to the one that you have.

The stove is currently set to work with natural gas. Is it very difficult to convert the stove to work with LP (propane)? Do I need additional parts? Thanks.



Post# 1132733 , Reply# 29   11/5/2021 at 05:01 (894 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
No parts needed

On the thermostat there is a adjustment from nat to pro, then its just a matter of using a wrench to run the orifices in all the way snug, but dont tighten, then adjust the pilots

Post# 1132785 , Reply# 30   11/5/2021 at 21:23 (894 days old) by Dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA))        

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When our home was built in the late 1960s it came with a Hardwick range 30” in gas and it reminded me of what you have there. The last two ranges I have had have been GE gas ranges. My aunt and uncle had a house in our neighborhood and they also had a Hardwick and theirs survived a fire and lasted 32 years,


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