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Thread Number: 63383
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Former Apple Exec & engineer showing Combo Washer/Dryer at CES 2016 |
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Post# 859652 1/2/2016 at 17:20 (3,030 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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 Glenn Reid taking an existing washer from a Chinese manufacturer and adding the mechanics necessary to turn it into a conventional dryer as well. And it's supposed to be a vented one.
See reviewed.com article CLICK HERE TO GO TO appnut's LINK This post was last edited 01/02/2016 at 17:49 | ||
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Post# 859677 , Reply# 1 1/2/2016 at 20:24 (3,030 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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that looks like | ||
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Post# 859681 , Reply# 2 1/2/2016 at 21:19 (3,030 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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It sure does. Even the oval pattern in the metal sides are the same. Made by Little Swan Washing Machine Co.
It's going to be interesting to see the specifics on the machine. Two combos in one house won't work for the majority of existing homes with single vents, electrical and water/waste hookups.
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Post# 859749 , Reply# 4 1/3/2016 at 09:10 (3,029 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 859751 , Reply# 5 1/3/2016 at 09:37 (3,029 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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It's about damn time! | ||
| Post# 859759 , Reply# 6 1/3/2016 at 10:02 (3,029 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Very interesting. I sure hope this will force the other big manufactures to follow and do the same.
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Post# 859762 , Reply# 7 1/3/2016 at 10:21 (3,029 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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LG is using a "Y" adapter setup for their Sidekick washer. I wonder if they need to have some sort of back-flow preventer in both lines to keep pumped water from entering the other machine? The pumps may already have a back-flow preventer built in.
Before I had softened water, I used a few of the Y splitters for the water supply lines and the aluminum/pot-metal versions would corrode and leak surprisingly quickly. From their installation/users manual (Link .pdf): CLICK HERE TO GO TO gansky1's LINK
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Post# 859771 , Reply# 9 1/3/2016 at 10:57 (3,029 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 859779 , Reply# 10 1/3/2016 at 11:17 (3,029 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Post# 859782 , Reply# 11 1/3/2016 at 11:27 (3,029 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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But most people indicate the wish to wash their comforters, pillows etc in a FL. They have to be dried then. And most comforters that I've seen pretty much fill 3.8 to the brim. Its just that I don't doubt they could be usefull in some aplications, yet, I don't think they'll be as sucessfull as the few media releases make it look. | ||
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Post# 859784 , Reply# 12 1/3/2016 at 11:41 (3,029 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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This reminds me of the TOL Samsung washer/dryer that is old in some places. The Samsung has a touchscreen, a recirculation pump, auto-doeses liquid detergent and softener and has an air-condensing dryer part.
Lots of informative videos here: CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK | ||
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Post# 860173 , Reply# 13 1/5/2016 at 03:50 (3,028 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 860426 , Reply# 15 1/6/2016 at 13:48 (3,026 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Well... "They are not that different technologies!" "It has never been done before!" "... and I almost couldn't tell them apart!" Seriously: Boy, as much as I'd love to like your idea, you just made your self look a whole lot less trustable to me... | ||
| Post# 860430 , Reply# 16 1/6/2016 at 14:24 (3,026 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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Some of the idea here, i think, is the savings on shipping and storage. I saw Apple shrinking their stuff over the years and knew the cost of transport from China/UPS was part of the reason. Also if you buy one of these directly from their website that eliminates the middlman and his warehouse. When you bake Linux onto the chip a lot of issues are lessened or eliminated as far as jiggling and such. iPods had hard drives and they coped well. Also Apple has done well creating enough desire for their products to over come backward compatibility. Time and time again we were told xyz product would fail because it lacked this or that port or other backward compatibility. The article also states this is the initial effort with a more dedicated design to follow...if they can survive that long. I'm with appnut, huge comforters are just as much a fad as anything else. Most people this is aimed at have modern insulation and central heating, comforters are a bulky nuisance with the modern materials we now have on the market. Ginormous puffy jacks are long gone and their bed clothes brethren may, for many, not be far behind. | ||
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Post# 860436 , Reply# 17 1/6/2016 at 15:24 (3,026 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 860437 , Reply# 18 1/6/2016 at 15:38 (3,026 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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I know, I know, people don' fill their machines to the brim, people don't wash comforters, etc. Yet, there is barley any full-size FL out there below 4ft³. Wonder why? And its not only vibration. You know you should clean out your dryer every year or so? And your PC as well? Now combine them. @Alex Yeah. I was just like starring at my screen in the hope he'd be joking or something. | ||
| Post# 860440 , Reply# 19 1/6/2016 at 16:14 (3,026 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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The popularity of stacked W/D's tells me this idea will have ears out there listening. McMansions are not as cool with the younger set with the dough as is urban living. Apartment space seems to be limited by some sorta law, in the U.S. at least, so this design angle could benefit. All they do is have to function for a max of 10yrs by the new reckoning consumers seem to accept. Computer aided design and new wash technologies (beads for one) may dovetail into this as well. I cheer this on regardless, how could you not if your an appliance fan? | ||
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Post# 860449 , Reply# 20 1/6/2016 at 17:25 (3,026 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 860511 , Reply# 21 1/7/2016 at 03:36 (3,026 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Retail Price... | ||
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Post# 860583 , Reply# 23 1/7/2016 at 14:27 (3,025 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Washer Dryers
"Washer Dryers havnt changed in 70 yrs" hhmmm, do we know the spin speed and residual moisture content after spinning of this model?
If this has a large dryer heater and fan unit to get rid of all that moisture like the 60`s models then it could work, but if this is aimed at apartment users, dont we have regular feedback that many apartments dont allow outside vents to be installed. After a separate washer and dryer a washer dryer is a compromise but workable, I`m in a studio apartment and have Servis Vestel model, 9kg wash , 6kg dry, 1400rpm spin, 65ltr drum - 2.2 cu ft, just did all my Whites in one load, 16 t-shirts, 4 hand towels (this registered 3kg on the sensor) ..took 1.28 to wash @ 60d and then 65 mins to dry, condenser dryer. Dryer has sensor settings, I use hanger dry setting and just enough moisture to smooth flat or quick iron!! Gonna be an interesting watch on this Marathon one! | ||
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Post# 860602 , Reply# 24 1/7/2016 at 16:57 (3,025 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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 Call me "old school" but can someone please tell me why in the hell ANYONE needs a full keyboard, internet (and cloud) access via their washing machine?!?!?!?! The idea of a (220V or gas/vented) W/D combo is great, really! Especially for that price, IF they can make it work AND have good (great?) washing / drying performance, without having to be re-booted every few wash loads! Kevin | ||
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Post# 860622 , Reply# 25 1/7/2016 at 19:11 (3,025 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Keyboard and internet? | ||
| Post# 860645 , Reply# 26 1/7/2016 at 22:17 (3,025 days old) by A440 () | ||
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It all sounds like a very cool idea. The issue I am seeing is the huge gasket made out of rubber. I can't see the gasket lasting very long with "normal" dryer high heat with either electric or gas as the source. I wonder if the drying temps are lower? | ||
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Post# 860652 , Reply# 27 1/7/2016 at 23:11 (3,025 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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| Post# 860675 , Reply# 29 1/8/2016 at 08:20 (3,024 days old) by robliverpool (england Liverpool) | ||
It's not a new idea | ||
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Post# 860692 , Reply# 31 1/8/2016 at 11:01 (3,024 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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The machine will surely not be open source, remember this is an ex Apple exec pushing this ;) With a machine like this allowing users to alter the software would only create a nightmare of potential problems for the manufacturer.
As for the durability of the boot, it will probably be well longer then that of machines in the past. Rubber and polymer technology has made great advances in the past 60 years. Just because all the Westinghouse boots have failed, doesn't mean this one won't easily outlast the design life 10-15 years of the machine. It will come down to the quality of the manufacturing and design which of course remains to be seen. I like the idea of having a machine be connected and having a touch screen interface. Properly made electronics are VERY durable and will hold up just fine. In our machine shop, it's never the electronics that fail, it's the mechanical bits! Of course there is the possibility that they will cheap out on the electronics but that remains to be seen. A common thing I see with people judging the reliability of appliance electronics, is looking at electronics from 15-20 years ago. Reliability has become far better in recent years with advances in technology and just learning what works and what doesn't. I second Matt's comments. Lets see this in the flesh before we Monday morning quarterback it to death. My hunch is that it will fail for the same reasons that all the other combo's did here in the states. The electronics may actually help its viability! | ||
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Post# 860704 , Reply# 32 1/8/2016 at 13:11 (3,024 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Washer Dryer | ||
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Post# 860716 , Reply# 33 1/8/2016 at 14:30 (3,024 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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Mike,
Well I'm not really the combo expert here but my understanding goes along these lines. The typical US household tends to batch their laundry so come wash day there are a few loads to do. With all the washing/drying all in one machine the effective throughput is ~1/2 that of a pair of machines. Add in the fact that a combo machine could cost what a pair of traditional appliances costs then about all that is saved is the floor space. The other issue is that American's have long held the top load washer as the standard and haven't embraced horizontal axis machines the way most other countries have. (As an aside, see also: The Metric system...) In Europe where space and water are more scarce, I have the feeling that combos are considered in a bit better light then here in the states. | ||
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Post# 860718 , Reply# 34 1/8/2016 at 14:36 (3,024 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Very well put Phil!
Mike, this may (or may not?) be helpful. www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...
Kevin | ||
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Post# 860740 , Reply# 35 1/8/2016 at 16:59 (3,024 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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| Post# 860756 , Reply# 36 1/8/2016 at 20:31 (3,024 days old) by verizonbear (Glen Burnie ) | ||
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