Thread Number: 63516
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
New here... Into the Aussie Hoover (blackstone type) washing machines |
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Post# 860891 , Reply# 1   1/9/2016 at 13:03 (3,023 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Glad to hear of an interest in Blackstones from halfway around the world! As you can guess from my username, I am quite familiar with the brand. We had a family business here in Springfield, Mass., as dealers for Blackstones. Check my website for a few photos.
Fred CLICK HERE TO GO TO Blackstone's LINK |
Post# 862146 , Reply# 3   1/16/2016 at 07:50 (3,016 days old) by Chlorinedreams (Albany Western Australia)   |   | |
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This is that is in the 2300L tad disappointing hey... Hopefully on Friday I get the commander in.... It'll be sweet |
Post# 862267 , Reply# 4   1/16/2016 at 21:01 (3,016 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)   |   | |
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To tell you the truth, I quite like the BOSS (Balanced Orbit Suspension System) designed Hoover's like the 2300L in your picture.
Yes, agreed: not as sturdy as the older Hoover's with the cast iron gearbox, but there are still plenty of these BOSS washers working many years after they were introduced. The suspension system of these washers did win an Australian design award as well. Cheers Leon |
Post# 863473 , Reply# 5   1/22/2016 at 08:43 (3,010 days old) by Chlorinedreams (Albany Western Australia)   |   | |
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The commander come in today.... It's like a fresh breeze in the laundry.... A few pics added |
Post# 866797 , Reply# 6   2/12/2016 at 10:47 (2,989 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 869710 , Reply# 8   2/29/2016 at 05:32 (2,972 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Here you go! Some pics. Steel outer bowl, two-directional pump, spinner hold (held the bowl until water pumped out) and lint filter.
I will upload a vid when I get some wifi |
Post# 869788 , Reply# 9   2/29/2016 at 14:30 (2,972 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)   |   | |
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Hi Hoover 525, Whats the bladder thats attached to the recirc hose? I hvaent seen that before. Cheers Nathan |
Post# 869914 , Reply# 11   3/1/2016 at 05:06 (2,971 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 869915 , Reply# 12   3/1/2016 at 05:14 (2,971 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 869935 , Reply# 13   3/1/2016 at 07:53 (2,971 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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That looks very familiar underneath. Early 1970s Blackstone; later versions had the transmission near the base (before they stopped manufacturing in about 1975).
Blackstones did not have that "bladder" to hold the tub in place. Other difference that stands out to me is that the pump is white. I have only seen black plastic pumps. |
Post# 869965 , Reply# 14   3/1/2016 at 11:20 (2,971 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 870111 , Reply# 15   3/2/2016 at 10:15 (2,970 days old) by Chlorinedreams (Albany Western Australia)   |   | |
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From what I remember the original pump was yellow kinda moulded plastic... Heck it's been a long time since I seen in a 620 |
Post# 870224 , Reply# 16   3/3/2016 at 01:51 (2,969 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 879232 , Reply# 17   5/1/2016 at 15:46 (2,910 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 879233 , Reply# 18   5/1/2016 at 15:46 (2,910 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 879324 , Reply# 19   5/2/2016 at 10:52 (2,909 days old) by Chlorinedreams (Albany Western Australia)   |   | |
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It runs great.... Haven't had to do anything to it.... The 940 had to replace tub seal and tub to pump hose My 930 I replaced the tub seal, and the timer. |
Post# 879397 , Reply# 20   5/2/2016 at 21:33 (2,909 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Erik,
About 6 years ago, I sold the majority of my Blackstone parts inventory to John Lefever (combo52). I don't have any of those pumps left. Check with John if he has any. What we used to do to increase the lifespan of the pumps is to drill a hole in the plastic housing, above the pulley, and squirt oil into it, so that the oil flows down to the bearing. Also, take the pump apart, and check to see if the rubber impellers have expanded. Fred |
Post# 879661 , Reply# 21   5/5/2016 at 09:05 (2,906 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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The pump has started to sieze up. I've pulled it apart; there is nothing obstructing it at the impeller. It seems that the friction is coming from the drive shaft. So I'll try your method of drilling a hole. Just don't want to create a leak!
I have attached pics of the pump - maybe you could take a look and indicate the best place to drill? Really appreciate your help too btw. If you ever need any help from down under please lemme know! Ps i will try to look up John. Hope he still has a pump (or 3). Can't believe that Hoover Australia sold 4 million of these machines between 1969 and the early 90s and there are almost none left Baily: guess what? I went to the State library NSW and scanned the entire book on the Hoover factory for you. It was really only a small thing. Will upload soon, or can I send it via FB? Erik😀 |
Post# 879764 , Reply# 23   5/6/2016 at 00:06 (2,905 days old) by hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Have had it apart and can't get the impeller off the shaft - either it doesn't come off or I don't have the right tools.
So I think I will have to go with the drilled hole and oil. I'm thinking that the pump seal is up near the impeller? When I tried to take it apart I could see that in the plastic housing is a metal tube and it's in this that the rotating shaft is. That being so, I wonder if drilling a hole in the plastic will be beneficial. Still, I can't tell if the tube goes all the way through up to the impeller. Sounds like I need to experiment a bit but I can't afford to wreck the thing and put the machine out of action. I emailed the guy Blackstone recommended but haven't heard back yet. Fingers crossed he has a few pumps laying about! |
Post# 879792 , Reply# 24   5/6/2016 at 06:51 (2,905 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 879814 , Reply# 25   5/6/2016 at 13:20 (2,905 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 879844 , Reply# 26   5/6/2016 at 21:30 (2,905 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Erik,
The impeller does not get removed from the shaft. After taking apart the two halves of the pump, and removing the pulley from the bottom of the pump, you can press down on the shaft. Best to use an arbor press with a center punch that is smaller in diameter than the shaft. An arbor press applies a gradual, even pressure, so you won't crack the plastic pump housing. You should be able to remove the shaft/impeller and clean it. We would drill a hole as noted in the picture, so the oil could go down to the bearing when the pump is installed in the washer. These pumps were replaced relatively frequently; the rubber impeller expanded or deformed. Hopefully, your problem is just a rusty shaft, so it is an easy rebuild. Those round rubber belts from the motor to the pump stretch out, too. It should be very tight, almost to the point of not being able to stretch it on the first try. One more bit advice--since that belt is near the front of the machine, don't push a mop under the machine when it is running. What part of Sydney are you in? I correspond with a cousin in Hurstville. Fred
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Post# 879862 , Reply# 27   5/7/2016 at 07:03 (2,904 days old) by bellalaundry (St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 879951 , Reply# 28   5/8/2016 at 07:52 (2,903 days old) by hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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I live in Sydney and Hurstville isn't too far away from me. I'm at Wollstonecraft.
Thanks for the mark up of the pump. The pump on my machine was replaced in 1999 and doesn't have a rubber impeller, it's plastic. Another point of difference to the pump that you described is that the housing for the drive shaft on my one is metal. A steel tube has been placed inside the plastic of the pump housing and the drive shaft is contained within it. So this makes my set up a little different. If the tube goes up as far as the arrow you indicated, then drilling in to it might be not possible. I'll try it though. Wow, I can't believe these pumps got changed as frequently as you said and now they are completely unavailable in Australia. Bloody oath! I've tried to get the pulley off the pump - no luck so far. It seems to be on pretty tight. I also don't have an arbor press, just a regular guy's hand tools. I also don't have any mates with decent tools so I guess I might have to take the bastard somewhere to take it apart ... I am determined to get the thing going again, so I will. That said, I am very interested in any spares you might have. Oh actually, do you have the work shop manual relating to the pump? I'd be really grateful. Thanks, Erik |
Post# 879952 , Reply# 29   5/8/2016 at 08:02 (2,903 days old) by hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Yeah that's an original 1976 floor in my laundry. Actually that's the last time the apartment was renovated. It was built in 1967 and had a do up in 76.
I'll get some pics for you guys - the kitchen has a (then) top of the range Custom deluxe range by Frigidaire and some other little interesting things. Yeah I like the floor; I'm glad you do too :) Yellow and orange are two of my favourite colours :) Take look at my old Volvo and the Briton's carpet I have through my place ... |
Post# 879956 , Reply# 30   5/8/2016 at 08:08 (2,903 days old) by hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 880009 , Reply# 31   5/8/2016 at 17:09 (2,903 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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I'll have to check to see if I have any breakdown manuals for the pump itself. I don't think that Blackstone sold individual components for the pumps--just the entire pump. Interesting that you have a plastic impeller. Maybe those lasted longer than a rubber one.
Of course, you first problem is removing the pulley. Try using a small gear-puller, the kind with the 3 adjustable legs. |
Post# 880529 , Reply# 32   5/13/2016 at 04:04 (2,898 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 890832 , Reply# 33   7/25/2016 at 05:23 (2,825 days old) by hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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just putting it out there: anyone know what the part details are for the MAIN TUB SEAL for the newer top loaders (720-920)?
it is what the drive shaft spins in. My seal has started to perish: there is a squeal on spin and some resistance keeping the drum from accerating to full speed. Thanks guys :) |
Post# 891817 , Reply# 34   7/31/2016 at 11:00 (2,819 days old) by Chlorinedreams (Albany Western Australia)   |   | |
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Yah I got a few.... There is a kit that has the seal, retainer, cap and oil felt.... 40600459 Seal kit - got from appliance warehouse Australia CLICK HERE TO GO TO Chlorinedreams's LINK |
Post# 891857 , Reply# 36   7/31/2016 at 18:33 (2,819 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Post# 892197 , Reply# 39   8/2/2016 at 09:56 (2,817 days old) by Chlorinedreams (Albany Western Australia)   |   | |
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In the pic the components in the line 32353401 and below make up the kit Still will post rl pic, they come supplied all in a sealed bag.
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Post# 892218 , Reply# 41   8/2/2016 at 12:34 (2,817 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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I will order the kit asap and get started.
Thank you for the write-up, it is really helpful and the cleaning pointers were good too. I suppose you know this: placing the fill control switch in Special Woolens in any part of a Normal cycle locks the timer where it is. It also opens both water solenoids if it is only on cold before. So if you want an extreme long spray rinse, put the switch to Special Woolens once spraying has commenced. This will also activate both hot and cold water solenoids for a mixed spray. The Special Woolens switch is actually like a secret menu in these machines. Turning the switch part way between Special W and either hot or cold also does other things to the timer. Interesting to experiment. Any extra info or pics on the earlier enamel tub seal would be appreciated too. I confess it wasn't too clear to me what you meant when you described them briefly before. I'll be taking the spin tub out of my 600 soon for a general inspection and clean up - will take pics. Thanks again Baily |
Post# 892219 , Reply# 42   8/2/2016 at 12:46 (2,817 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Hey Baily I saw in your second link (reply 40) main tub seal for 500-600 enamel tub machines. I was under the assumption that these had been discontinued? Is that not so? I had better get one of these too.
Also not sure where the porous bush went ... And do you think my 40 year old bush would still be any good when I need to do this job on my 600? Right now all is well but I like to be ready. Incidentally the ad says this bush was for 500-700 machines. That's incorrect. The 700's were the first machines to adopt the plastic outer tub and electric pump FYI |
Post# 892424 , Reply# 43   8/3/2016 at 21:17 (2,816 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Thanks for the photo. The part does look exactly like the Blackstone seal.
One difference--I've never seen one separated from the mount and bearing. They were sold as one part, including the ceramic ring that rides on top. Price was less than $100. Fairly common repair job in the Blackstone machines. The spring inside the rubber would get out of shape, so the ceramic ring would not lay flat , causing leaks. Either that, or the bearing would leak. Whatever the case, it still required removal of inner tub. Many times corrosion would prevent the agitator from lifting up. The diecast part that held the tub onto the shaft was another potential problem. Sometimes it did not survive the disassembly. There was no avoiding the repair job--otherwise there was water leaking down the shaft. |
Post# 892590 , Reply# 44   8/5/2016 at 06:22 (2,814 days old) by Chlorinedreams (Albany Western Australia)   |   | |
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Some pics of the Seal kit assembly |
Post# 892831 , Reply# 45   8/7/2016 at 03:58 (2,812 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Thanks I placed an order for the newer type seal. Do you by any chance have the p/n for the enamel tub seal?
Here's a pic of an old Aussie laundry in Greenwich, Sydney. The machine is a 1980 Hoover 725
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Post# 892881 , Reply# 46   8/7/2016 at 11:32 (2,812 days old) by Chlorinedreams (Albany Western Australia)   |   | |
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They listed the older assembly as HA075 |
Post# 912714 , Reply# 47   12/27/2016 at 08:02 (2,670 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Rather than HA002?
BTW Merry Christmas guys. Yeah I see from the research I've done there is a large rubber block mount at the base of the enamel tub machines, and this is no longer available. However I'm told that it's possible to repurpose it with what is available for plastic tub set ups. Can I please show you what I have and maybe you can say if it's enough to fix a leak on a 600 (enamel tub old style Blackstone) machine. Check out the oil spatters inside the washer compared to when I first posted. Is this from the oil in the felt bush leaking out? Thanks again for all your helpful information |
Post# 912715 , Reply# 48   12/27/2016 at 08:06 (2,670 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Here is what the inside of my machine looks like after the leak started. Not sure where this oil has come from?
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Post# 912718 , Reply# 49   12/27/2016 at 08:13 (2,670 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Here are some pics a friend sent me of a 600 series tub seal. Just need to work out how I can use this with the items in the pic I posted before. Thanks
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Post# 912869 , Reply# 50   12/28/2016 at 12:06 (2,669 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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In the picture in reply #49, it shows the complete seal. Can you remove the black rubber center piece from the metal base? Perhaps with an arbor press. If so, you should be able to insert the new piece (upper left of reply #47).
As for the oil splatter, how is the gasket between the 2 halves of the transmission? |
Post# 916475 , Reply# 51   1/20/2017 at 06:19 (2,646 days old) by hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Hi Fred,
I pulled the machine apart today as the leak had gotten so bad. The oil spatter was caused by water borne oil dipping on to the top of the transmission and then being distributed on the walls of the machine when it spun. The gasket's fine. There was grease packed in around the tub seal that came down when it leaked. Interesting thing is that more than 1/2 of the seal was missing. The spring-loaded rubber part and ceramic disk were not in the machine. Only the lower seal that sits in the metal part of the rubber block was there. Amazed it didn't leak before. Ii am just wondering where the felt gasket goes. Is it under the main seal or on top of it? Thanks guys |
Post# 916492 , Reply# 52   1/20/2017 at 08:08 (2,646 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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I'm having a difficult time trying to imagine how the machine did not have a waterfall underneath, considering that the ceramic ring was missing. That ring, riding on top of the matching surface of the spring-loaded rubber mount, was what kept the water inside the inner tub; yet allowed for spinning.
I have never seen the felt piece. Even if it were to be used as a spacer, it should have been a waterproof material. Sounds as if this machine had been taken apart and put back together haphazardly, without the right parts. However, it did seem to work good enough, up to now. |
Post# 916703 , Reply# 53   1/21/2017 at 07:13 (2,645 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 916709 , Reply# 54   1/21/2017 at 08:00 (2,645 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Ceramic side down, so that it rides on surface of the rubber seal.
When installing the ceramic/rubber ring, the rubber will have a tendency to not stay in place, and separate from the ceramic. Use a metal washer to push down on the rubber. This applies even pressure to the rubber, keeping it in place, between the shaft and ceramic. Do you have any metal washers with the kit? They are used to set the correct height of the spin tub. I am assuming there is a notch in the shaft, which must line up with opening in the agitator mount. If you need images of this, I could check my service manuals, and scan it in. |
Post# 916739 , Reply# 55   1/21/2017 at 10:57 (2,645 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 916741 , Reply# 56   1/21/2017 at 11:01 (2,645 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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And yes there is a notch the spin tub has to line up on. I'm lucky - my machine hasn't seen much use and there is hardly any electrolytic reaction to the metal.
Apparently the part with the spring-loaded rubber seal and ceramic disk are almost all gone. I'd better grab another one before it's too late. Regards Erik |
Post# 916744 , Reply# 57   1/21/2017 at 11:08 (2,645 days old) by Hoover525 (Sydney Australia)   |   | |
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Hi all, recently I found a used 1971 pump in black rigid plastic. Installed it and it works great. So glad to get that cheap white plastic aftermarket pump out. I'll keep it as a spare
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Post# 916758 , Reply# 58   1/21/2017 at 12:27 (2,645 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Here are a couple of scans, showing the tub mount.
The reason for having the metal washers is to ensure that, when the collector tub is installed, there will be sufficient pressure on the ceramic disk. The disk must touch the top surface of the spring-loaded rubber seal to make it waterproof. Since the height of the collector tub is not adjustable (it lines up with the notch in the shaft), the addition of metal washer underneath it might be necessary. The service manual does not give this information. Instead, it gives such "useful" information, like "remove front panel." Duh. |
Post# 1000963 , Reply# 59   7/21/2018 at 21:21 (2,099 days old) by razzomataz (Morisset NSW)   |   | |
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Replacing seal in Hoover Elite 920 using post 892191 I used a puller. 2 quarter inch bolts and 2 links of chain, WD40 AND it worked. Thanks very much for the advice. I bought this Hoover Elite 920 in 1986 See photo CLICK HERE TO GO TO razzomataz's LINK
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Post# 1001021 , Reply# 60   7/22/2018 at 11:04 (2,098 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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where is the center shaft from the transmission? On Blackstones, it was as high as the top edge of the tub. You must have a different design agitator that snaps on at the bottom, rather than resting on the top of the shaft.
Anyway, we had a tool that worked just like your set-up, but this tool (specially ordered from Blackstone) was about 18" tall. I must dig it out and take a photo. |
Post# 1001066 , Reply# 62   7/22/2018 at 18:59 (2,098 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Post# 1001069 , Reply# 63   7/22/2018 at 19:10 (2,098 days old) by Mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 1001410 , Reply# 64   7/25/2018 at 14:29 (2,095 days old) by Blackstone (Springfield, Massachusetts)   |   | |
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Used this zillions of times.
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