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Thread Number: 63594
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KDS-19 Akron OHIO |
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Post# 861686 1/13/2016 at 19:13 (3,017 days old) by akronman  (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Energy Saver IV Superba. In my garage, new homeowners re-did an 80's kitchen entirely before moving in, don't know a thing about it, never used it. And it already sat in their unheated garage a a week in horrible cold, and it'll be a few more weeks until I get it inside. Free is nice. I have an Architect series KUDS-23 currently, no chrome at all nor classic KA look, I'll likely paint this white and swap it into the spot. My Chambers Range and 56 Hotpoint fridge and sink and faucet are white with chrome, this'll be great! (once I check it out)
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| Post# 861748 , Reply# 1 1/14/2016 at 03:36 (3,017 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
Shivering Cold KDS-19
Great Cleaner.
Best No Heat Drying will be when you use Soak and Scrub. Lots of water heating on S+S. Heats the first Wash and Last Rinse to 150 on Normal, Heavy and Light Wash. S+S gets 4 water heats which gives the Chamber plenty of residual heat for the No Heat Dry. More than likely the Fill Valve will be split and/or cracked. Possibly the Drain Valve too. I would let it defrost for a couple of days then inspect the valves. I had this happen to me when I went to pick up a KDS-18 here in Mass. during freezing weather. I specifically asked not to leave the machine outside. Well, the woman's genius son couldn't have been bothered waiting until the morning and put it outside that night. The sump was fine, but the Fill Valve was shattered. I'm sure I have an extra valve if you need it. They're good machines. I may have more parts as well. Good Luck. This post was last edited 01/14/2016 at 08:24 | ||
| Post# 878572 , Reply# 2 4/26/2016 at 00:26 (2,914 days old) by StandingPilot (Cleveland) | ||
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I just picked up a KDS 18 that was left in a frozen house, I know I need a front valve....Woman's husband died and she left to live with her daughter, she shut off all the power and all the pipes exploded, what a mess. | ||
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Post# 897219 , Reply# 3 9/5/2016 at 08:02 (2,782 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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This thread
is 235 days old, but I finally brought the KDS-19 into the house!
IT was missing a door spring, I ordered one from Ebay but also stole one from the KDS23 I pulled out for this KA replacement. 2 issues so far, the seller told me last winter that she had been told when she bought the house that this dishwasher needed a water inlet valve. She's right, one of the solenoids is dead. I have a new one on order, $35, but disassembled this anyhows to see what it's like. IT turns out the metal housing is formed over the solenoids after they are put in place, so I really can't redo this myself anyways. I tested the 2 coils in the basement, one energizes perfectly, the other does nothing. Why the double solenoids? I poured in 3.5 Pyrex teapots of water to bypass the bad valve, it fired right up after it heated the water, seems to pump fine and sprays galore! Pic#3 is the water inlet airgap, seems like it's leaked since Feb 1, 1980(the electric box had the installation date written on it). Should I replace, clean up, ????? I want to do everything I can think of or find before finishing the installation. Then I will repaint it white to match the 1956 Hotpoint refridge and the 1942 Chambers range! And yes, before any water at all, I took out the filter and cleaned it, the dishwasher removal folks 6 months ago threw the kickplate screws in there, everything. So I cleaned before any running, all seems well. Too many buttons, too many cycles. Once I have the front door off and read the schematic, I bet I'll stick with NORMAL and the occasional POTS/PAns/Scrub/Soak, nothing else. | ||
| Post# 897377 , Reply# 4 9/6/2016 at 02:19 (2,781 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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You will get the best drying results through the Soak and Scrub as this is a No Heat Dry machine. I had one of these brand new in 1981.
The Soak and Scrub I believe has 3 water heating on the first wash, one on the next and one before the last rinse. I'm pretty sure the heating is to 150 degrees. It is Static heating so the machine will not be running during the water heating. Great Cleaner but weak on drying every cycle except Soak and Scrub. You will have No Complaints over all. | ||
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Post# 897417 , Reply# 5 9/6/2016 at 08:28 (2,781 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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kds19! | ||
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Post# 897428 , Reply# 6 9/6/2016 at 10:16 (2,781 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Kitchenaid KDS-19 Drying Performance This was a great DW overall and actually dries better than the KDS-18, 20, 21 when these machines are used on Energy-Saver dry.
I used my KDSS-20 for ten years and the drying performance was miserable when used on air-dry, at least with the KDS-19 with its more powerful blower it will actually dry pretty well without the 800 watt dry heater the other machines have.
To get the best drying performance from the KDS-19 is to use the Sani-rinse option, this option heats the water in the sump to 165F and then turns on the main pump and sprays the dishes, even though the dishes never reach 165F this setting will leave the dishes much hotter than using the Soak&Scrub cycle.
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Post# 897446 , Reply# 7 9/6/2016 at 11:32 (2,781 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Thank you
for advice, I'll post more when the water valve comes in. Why is it double?
As for drying, I am very used to opening the top of the Mobile Maid, the front of the KDS-23, and the front of the 1982 GE to allow air-drying, I don't think it will be an issue for me. Our Ephemera section doesn't have a Usage guide for the 19 series, but I'll wade thru the schematic inside the door a few times until I settle on mostly NORMAL, sometimes POTS PANS. My 23 series has been a workhorse and handles some amazing baked on crud, I barely notice a difference in the racks for the 19 series, I' think I will be just fine. With washers and dryers all being in a 100 year old basement, I never really cared about how they mix/match, etc, but my kitchen has white appliances with chrome accents, and the architect series 23 is all white white and white. So i am looking forward to repainting this, getting the classic white KA with all those chrome buttons! Thanks again-- Mark | ||
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Post# 897447 , Reply# 8 9/6/2016 at 11:35 (2,781 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Advice Please
See the pic on reply 3, pic#3, water deposits on the inlet/air gap. Anything to do?
Thanks Mark
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Post# 897551 , Reply# 9 9/6/2016 at 22:18 (2,780 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Hi Mark, yes the mineral deposits at the inlet air-gap just need to be scraped and cleaned away, then see if the IAG is leaking at all during fill, if so you might need to modify it or replace it.
The dual inlet valves were used to reduce the chance that the inlet valve would ever fail to close and cause a flood. Only KA, MT and Wasteking ever used these valves in there DWs. It is hard to tell if this dual valve ever prevented many floods, but one thing for sure is that they had about twice the failure rate of single valves, LOL. | ||
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Post# 898176 , Reply# 10 9/10/2016 at 20:45 (2,776 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Used water inlet valve
Ebay used valve, $35, installed and the machine ran---for two fills only!! Then the used valve failed! I removed it, took it to the basement to inspect, and one solenoid works perfectly, the other one works if you push on the contact while energizing, so some wire or connection inside is faulty for sure. So I'll return that one.
Brainy or stupid??? I went back to the original bad valve that came with the machine, I took it apart and removed the bad spring, plunger/magnet, and the black rubber valve seat(?) leaving it as bad solenoid=always open, good solenoid works properly. It is now on the machine and I'm on my third load of dishes. Umm, brainy or stupid? My only KA comparison is my Architect series 23 model Superba, so bear with me, and I haven't stood right next to the machine to check everything. It seems as though NORMAL wash starts with a neutral fill, while most later fills are with the motor running, pumping/spraying as soon as there's enough water. Doesn't that mean 2 different fill levels? Weird. So far excellent cleaning, though I haven't really had any baked on/fried on/roasted on/dried on testing, and I really don't know the different cycles yet. Question-----3 spray arms are identical with 3 holes each, then one arm has 2 holes plus a third on the bottom? What's the purpose? Thanks Mark | ||
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Post# 1051053 , Reply# 11 11/14/2019 at 20:58 (1,616 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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something's wrong
This machine has been installed 3 years, no problems. Until tonight! in about the 3rd wash or rinse, suddenly noise and grinding while pumping out, now it's full of water, moved into the wash cycle, and no pumping at all and a loud motor sound, and slight burning smell. Do I tear LL apart and check 10 things, or just buy a new motor?
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Post# 1051103 , Reply# 12 11/15/2019 at 07:11 (1,616 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Take It Apart The pump assembly on 18-20 KD DWs was designed to be easily serviced in the machine, it sounds like something either caught in one of the pumps or something broke.
KA never generally even sold complete pump and motor assemblies for their DWs, they were designed to repair in the field, the only way you will get a complete P&M is to get it from another DW at this point.
Take it apart and see what happened, it is still pretty easy to find what you may need to fix this DW, I have lots of parts if you get in bind.
John L. | ||
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Post# 1051573 , Reply# 13 11/18/2019 at 20:31 (1,612 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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I found what broke
PN#B-240366, shaft seal and impeller, #13 on diagram. It's supposed to have 4 blades formed into the black plastic, one is entirely missing after 37 years, one was exactly what jammed everything, or maybe the glass broke it just days ago and both jammed it? The quarter is for reference, it was not found in the dishwasher. So maybe i've only had 3 of 4 blades working for years, but was highly impressed anyhows?????
Don't know why, the diagram looks like a standard PDF but is downloading as a JFIF(NEver heard of) and won't upload here, sorry. Ebay has impeller 240366 for Friday delivery, $8, and I have 9 family for Tgive next week, so I went ahead and bought ASAP! Once I had the innards all cleaned up, I closed the door and hit CANCEL, the motor purred as the Rapid Advance timer went thru its paces, and I opened the door quickly and saw the shaft spinning wonderfully! John, any tricks of the trade to remove the broken one? Does it just gently lift straight up? Any other seals/washers needed to go with this? It's never leaked at all, never been a problem since day one. The heater coil is kinda mineral coated but has worked well, I ain't fixing what ain't broke. | ||
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Post# 1051577 , Reply# 14 11/18/2019 at 20:54 (1,612 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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KDS-18-20 Drain pump rebuild Hi Mark, glad you found the problem and got the part so quickly.
The great thing about these KA DWs is the pumps come apart easily and can be reassembled as easily and then it works, the Ss motor shaft and the lack of any pot-metal crap in KA DWs really made the difference.
The drain impeller just lifts up and off the shaft, you may have to pry gently. Then pop the seal out of the housing, clean everything then apply a tiny bit of liquid dish detergent to the seal and press carefully into place, then slide the drain impeller into place, then put the new O ring on the shaft reinstall any washers that were on top of the O ring [ there must be at least one washer ] and reassemble the rest and you should be good to go.
Happy T day
John L. | ||
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Post# 1051877 , Reply# 15 11/21/2019 at 18:34 (1,609 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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here's the parts
Kit includes the seal, an O-ring, a thick washer, then 3 very thin ones. I will take pics as I dis-assemble and re-assemble! I have a printed diagram, I just can't seem to upload it here. All looks clear as a bell, but I haven't done it yet! We'll see.
As far as KA goes, I only have this and a KDS-21 Architect series for comparison. Both clean AMAZINGLY, but I just can't get used to the 21's single rinse, sorry. Well, if this one permanently dies some day, I'll probably get used to it damn fast, actually. | ||
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Post# 1052062 , Reply# 16 11/23/2019 at 08:41 (1,608 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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John, all good
With your instructions and the diagram, it was a pretty easy job. Slight prying to get the impeller off the shaft, slight prying to get the new impeller seated all the way down that shaft, and now it's on its second load of dishes, no leaks underneath so it's time to put back on the kickplate.
Ready for Thanksgiving! Thank you again, John PS, for one thing I realize it's the drain impeller that already had a missing blade which I found in the drain port opening, so the new one with all 4 blades improves DRAINING, not pumping the spray arms. That aspect of this machine has always been excellent, once in a while I take out both arms and make sure little bits of bones and plastic wrappers aren't clogging. The other thing is that for a 37 year old machine, it came apart pretty darn easily, and went back together smoothly. I took advantage of it being down 4 day to get some Re-Rack and touch up the upper and lower racks for years of good service. This post was last edited 11/23/2019 at 08:56 | ||
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