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Thread Number: 64234
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Post# 868154 2/21/2016 at 08:34 (2,983 days old) by mopar65  (Almont MI) |
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Well I figured I would start this post so it's in the right place. Anyway I will keep you all updated on the progress on the Duomatic. I got it all working last night motor works, transmission shifts, dryer heater works so that's a good start but found the real reason why it stopped working long ago. I will pull the magic heater switch out and see if it can be saved.
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Post# 868158 , Reply# 1 2/21/2016 at 09:14 (2,983 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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It will work without the Magic Heater; you just take it out of the circuit. | ||
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Post# 868185 , Reply# 2 2/21/2016 at 14:11 (2,983 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 868186 , Reply# 3 2/21/2016 at 14:15 (2,983 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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| Post# 868242 , Reply# 5 2/21/2016 at 20:14 (2,983 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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Post# 868338 , Reply# 6 2/22/2016 at 08:03 (2,982 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Thank you John E | ||
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Post# 868381 , Reply# 7 2/22/2016 at 13:38 (2,982 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Well started cleaning the transmission up and found its cracked:( I didn't see any oil from the cracks though.
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| Post# 868395 , Reply# 8 2/22/2016 at 16:01 (2,982 days old) by Gyromatic (St. Paul MN.) | ||
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Transmission Tell me where to send you a new transmission body.I can get it out to you tomorrow.That one cannot be used at all. | ||
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Post# 868406 , Reply# 9 2/22/2016 at 16:47 (2,982 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA ) |
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Post# 868419 , Reply# 10 2/22/2016 at 17:48 (2,982 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 868422 , Reply# 11 2/22/2016 at 17:55 (2,982 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 868591 , Reply# 12 2/23/2016 at 14:40 (2,981 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Well one more problem found. I think my brother in law can fix it as he was a welder.
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Post# 868665 , Reply# 14 2/23/2016 at 19:17 (2,981 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 869742 , Reply# 15 2/29/2016 at 08:31 (2,975 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 869756 , Reply# 16 2/29/2016 at 10:23 (2,975 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA ) |
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| Post# 869776 , Reply# 17 2/29/2016 at 13:31 (2,975 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona ) | ||
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Post# 869921 , Reply# 18 3/1/2016 at 06:51 (2,974 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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I figured I would give ya guys an up date on the Philco fridge. My brother wanted to keep it. Got these pic's from him last night. He had to custom blend the paint to get it the right shade so it would be the same as a 55 Chevy. Hope you guys like what he did the chrome is off getting redone now.
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Post# 869922 , Reply# 19 3/1/2016 at 07:00 (2,974 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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John is the  expert on Bendix ! My magic heater is dead , I need to go in and replace it with a submersible element. It really boosts the washing power when it is on.
I have never seen a split transmission case in all the Bendii I have worked on. That has to be a casting defect! Where did you find this machine Anthony?
Anytime you and your partner want to come out and play with my '56 you are most welcome.
That Philco fridge will be stunning for sure! | ||
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Post# 869947 , Reply# 20 3/1/2016 at 09:21 (2,974 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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I think the Cal rod is ok in this Duomatic but just not working because of the switch being bad. I think you are right I cant see how that could have happened with no other faults to be found. It came from IN. If you weren't so far and not so much going on here we would love to! All this wedding planning/getting things reedy is about to make me pull my hair out lol thank God the boy is doing most of it.
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Post# 870693 , Reply# 21 3/5/2016 at 15:22 (2,970 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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A little progress today
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Post# 870694 , Reply# 22 3/5/2016 at 15:29 (2,970 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Pretty standard | ||
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Post# 870718 , Reply# 23 3/5/2016 at 18:25 (2,970 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 870725 , Reply# 24 3/5/2016 at 18:52 (2,970 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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| Post# 870726 , Reply# 25 3/5/2016 at 19:00 (2,970 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Moparguy's, Anthony, Excellent work!! | ||
| Post# 870742 , Reply# 26 3/5/2016 at 21:39 (2,970 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest) | ||
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Post# 870862 , Reply# 28 3/6/2016 at 15:30 (2,969 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 870888 , Reply# 29 3/6/2016 at 18:38 (2,969 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 870992 , Reply# 31 3/7/2016 at 10:25 (2,968 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 871042 , Reply# 32 3/7/2016 at 14:34 (2,968 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 871197 , Reply# 34 3/8/2016 at 05:08 (2,967 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Yes I did receive the boot in perfect condition. Thank you again for your help with getting a new boot! John. E Thank you. I did get your email what a big help. I have been using the copper RTV for years it's the only RTV that will hold up on turbo engines. It's great stuff! If you can believe this the vains are clean~ lint free! Don't know how that happened but it should clean up quickly. Thank you guys for all of your help! It's never a easy task to bring a machine back from the dead. | ||
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Post# 871275 , Reply# 35 3/8/2016 at 10:17 (2,967 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 871610 , Reply# 36 3/9/2016 at 19:54 (2,966 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 871744 , Reply# 37 3/10/2016 at 14:38 (2,965 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Pics of rust
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Post# 871825 , Reply# 39 3/10/2016 at 22:35 (2,965 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 871904 , Reply# 40 3/11/2016 at 13:50 (2,964 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Ok guys | ||
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Post# 871917 , Reply# 41 3/11/2016 at 15:29 (2,964 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 871921 , Reply# 42 3/11/2016 at 15:44 (2,964 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Post# 871926 , Reply# 43 3/11/2016 at 16:01 (2,964 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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| Post# 871929 , Reply# 45 3/11/2016 at 16:18 (2,964 days old) by Gyromatic (St. Paul MN.) | ||
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Stuck bearings The shaft rides on the bearings only.So the inner part of the bearings is what is stuck to the shaft.And is such a small surface area.Hard to believe that such a small surface area does not want to break loose.BUT IT WILL. | ||
| Post# 871931 , Reply# 46 3/11/2016 at 16:23 (2,964 days old) by Gyromatic (St. Paul MN.) | ||
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Bearings I saw you said you had a new bearing and seals.I only see one bearing in the picture.You got 2 right? They both need to be replaced. | ||
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Post# 871938 , Reply# 47 3/11/2016 at 17:20 (2,964 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 871939 , Reply# 48 3/11/2016 at 17:25 (2,964 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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I got it!
I heated the outer Bering red hot beat it till I could get to the inner and heated it read hot and she came out. What a Bitch! But I got it! 😀
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Post# 871942 , Reply# 49 3/11/2016 at 17:44 (2,964 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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| Post# 871962 , Reply# 50 3/11/2016 at 20:38 (2,964 days old) by Gyromatic (St. Paul MN.) | ||
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Happy that is over! Im glad you got it apart.Now you can move forward again.It would have been a bummer to go to bed tonight laying there wondering how the hell am I going to get that thing apart!No worries now. | ||
| Post# 871970 , Reply# 51 3/11/2016 at 21:19 (2,964 days old) by Roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
Yay!!! | ||
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Post# 871972 , Reply# 52 3/11/2016 at 21:52 (2,964 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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John
That's just what I was thinking! Lol. It's been a long day the boy got his wisdom teeth pulled today so I worked for a few then tended to him. Right when it started to brake it free he came out and mumbled "really I need you now!" As the blood was dripping from his face. Needles to say I dropped what I was doing and helped him. Damn boys always got to chime in when your busy lol
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Post# 872027 , Reply# 53 3/12/2016 at 09:38 (2,963 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Quick question | ||
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Post# 872068 , Reply# 54 3/12/2016 at 13:54 (2,963 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 872069 , Reply# 55 3/12/2016 at 13:55 (2,963 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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| Post# 872070 , Reply# 56 3/12/2016 at 13:59 (2,963 days old) by Travis () | ||
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Yay, I love owners manuals! | ||
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Post# 872071 , Reply# 57 3/12/2016 at 13:59 (2,963 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Post# 872073 , Reply# 58 3/12/2016 at 14:07 (2,963 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 872075 , Reply# 59 3/12/2016 at 14:09 (2,963 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 872077 , Reply# 60 3/12/2016 at 14:12 (2,963 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Post# 872100 , Reply# 61 3/12/2016 at 16:39 (2,963 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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| Post# 872107 , Reply# 62 3/12/2016 at 16:47 (2,963 days old) by Gyromatic (St. Paul MN.) | ||
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Plastic Piece You need to use the plastic,the seal will only fit in this piece.Chuck the other one. | ||
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Post# 872138 , Reply# 63 3/12/2016 at 17:32 (2,963 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Thank you John. | ||
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Post# 872570 , Reply# 64 3/14/2016 at 22:52 (2,961 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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56 Duo-Matic Wow Anthony you are making great progress, John E. is the go to expert on these machines.
It is neat that the water heater cleaned up so well and that you found the wattage and voltage stamp on it as well. That old copper sheathed heater will put out over 4,500watts when you run it on 240 volts that we have now, as you can see it was made in a time when we actually had just 220 volts in this country, this why people who are not well informed still call 240 voltage 220 volts.
Looking forward to seeing this machine running.
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Post# 872606 , Reply# 65 3/15/2016 at 05:51 (2,960 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 873385 , Reply# 66 3/19/2016 at 19:28 (2,956 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Up date
Sorry it's been so long. I have made some progress. Do you guys think it's ok to put RTV were the seal go's on the inner tub? See pics lots of rust.
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Post# 875617 , Reply# 67 4/4/2016 at 15:35 (2,940 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Sorry it's been so long on an update
Well guys this is were I'm at right now. Only one small problem (see pic) I'm not quite sure how I should go about fixing or patching this crucial sealing area. Any help would be awesome.
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Post# 875642 , Reply# 68 4/4/2016 at 20:43 (2,940 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Rusty Porcelain Washer Parts Hi Anthony, The way I have dealt with items like this is to sand, wire brush or glass bead as much of the rust off the metal as possible. Then I paint the part with 2-part marine epoxy or many folks are using Pour-15, then when every thing is good and dry and ready to reassemble I reassemble it using good high temperature 100%silicone sealant, and it should be good for many years. | ||
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Post# 875668 , Reply# 69 4/5/2016 at 05:43 (2,939 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 875672 , Reply# 70 4/5/2016 at 07:11 (2,939 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Rusty Porcelain Washer Parts Hi I would think that if everything gets coated in the epoxy paint and then gets assembled with enough silicone sealant you should not have a leak.
My concern would be if you think there is not enough metal left for good mechanical strength to hold the parts together, if this is the case then you need to start fabricating some SS plates etc which could be epoxyed in place or or again sealed in place with the silicone S if the SS plates are used like washers or flanges. | ||
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Post# 875686 , Reply# 71 4/5/2016 at 10:39 (2,939 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 875693 , Reply# 73 4/5/2016 at 12:14 (2,939 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 876379 , Reply# 74 4/10/2016 at 11:58 (2,934 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Started cleaning stuff up a little bit more finely and the rust is a little bit werse then I was thinking it's going to need a lot of JB weld. I got this plasti dip stuff to coat the inside with to help keep water out of the bad areas. do you guys think that's a good idea? I have never used that stuff before.
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Post# 876412 , Reply# 75 4/10/2016 at 15:07 (2,934 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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JB welded up just needs to finish drying so I can grind it down a bit.
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Post# 876413 , Reply# 76 4/10/2016 at 15:09 (2,934 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA ) |
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Post# 876521 , Reply# 77 4/11/2016 at 07:53 (2,933 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Rusty Porcelain Washer Parts Repair | ||
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Post# 876584 , Reply# 78 4/11/2016 at 15:04 (2,933 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 876653 , Reply# 80 4/11/2016 at 20:37 (2,933 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 876656 , Reply# 81 4/11/2016 at 20:50 (2,933 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 876657 , Reply# 82 4/11/2016 at 20:52 (2,933 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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As you can see | ||
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Post# 876705 , Reply# 83 4/12/2016 at 07:06 (2,932 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Aluminum-Pot-Metal Drain Housing | ||
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Post# 876711 , Reply# 84 4/12/2016 at 07:25 (2,932 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 878375 , Reply# 85 4/24/2016 at 13:39 (2,920 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Up date | ||
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Yay on the progress. I am glad Charles is healing up from his dentistry. A | ||
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Post# 878535 , Reply# 87 4/25/2016 at 15:05 (2,919 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 878560 , Reply# 88 4/25/2016 at 21:53 (2,919 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Post# 878592 , Reply# 89 4/26/2016 at 05:54 (2,918 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Thanks for the encouragement It needs a new belt as well I was going to go down to the tractor part store and see if they had one that would work but I figured I would ask if you guys knew of a place that would have one before I do that. now for the heating element, I was think one could remove the old cal rods and bend a bake element around to fit. dose anyone know the wattage of the factory elements? or is this just a bad idea it looks like its two 120V rods tied together so the wont fry. | ||
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Post# 878650 , Reply# 90 4/26/2016 at 14:25 (2,918 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Post# 878677 , Reply# 91 4/26/2016 at 18:50 (2,918 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Heater wattage The heater wattage is 4000 watts | ||
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Post# 878734 , Reply# 94 4/27/2016 at 06:39 (2,917 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Jon Thank you. I have been thinking about this for the best part of the night and I came up with an idea. Do you guys think if I made a plate and cut a hole in it at the vary rear and bolted a flange style 4,500 watt hot water heater element to it that it would work. I would have to bend the element around to make it fit but I was thinking this would be a cheep and EZ solution. I was also thinking that the 4,500 watt element would be ok as John L said before in 1956 we only had 220V serves so if one puts 240V to a 4,000W element that = 4,500 watts. Just let me know if you guys think I have bumped my head lol | ||
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Post# 878736 , Reply# 95 4/27/2016 at 06:47 (2,917 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 878741 , Reply# 96 4/27/2016 at 07:26 (2,917 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Post# 878744 , Reply# 97 4/27/2016 at 07:33 (2,917 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 880100 , Reply# 98 5/9/2016 at 13:36 (2,905 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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And we are
Somewhat washing! I got to do some work to it the last few days and it got its first test with water today. I would say it went well only two leaks one at the vary slight drip on the cold water solenoid and the other being the seal on the lint screen. I would say that's pretty good. I also made a temporary dryer element plate that has two elements from some cheep China combo part # WD-2500-05. They work pretty well and have been through 4 45 minute runs now with no issues.
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Post# 880101 , Reply# 99 5/9/2016 at 13:38 (2,905 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 880114 , Reply# 101 5/9/2016 at 18:59 (2,905 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Post# 880126 , Reply# 102 5/9/2016 at 19:59 (2,905 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Post# 880721 , Reply# 103 5/14/2016 at 09:41 (2,900 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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up date On the fridge. My brother sent me these pics today. I think it came out good. | ||
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Post# 881721 , Reply# 104 5/22/2016 at 07:49 (2,892 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Wow Anthony Great progress on the '56!! You plugging away at it just fine !
I was going to start searching for a custom shop to get heat elements made for the dryer and the water heater. My magic heaters are both dead my '56 & '58. And I love heated wash !! I'll keep you posted on what I find ! That new boot looks TERRIFIC !!! | ||
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Post# 881779 , Reply# 105 5/22/2016 at 21:51 (2,892 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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Good luck with the magic heater. You may want to try bending a hot tub heater element. The wattage is the same and will work under water and they are cheep as dirt at $15 on line! The boot is grate! No leaks from it at all the only thing is the door doesn't want to close with it but that is a little adjustment.
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Post# 895611 , Reply# 106 8/25/2016 at 06:09 (2,797 days old) by mopar65 (Almont MI) |
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I got the itch to do some more work done the other day. After I was done I washed/dried 4 loads yesterday. Now the bad, I had a feeling this was going to be a problem and I was right. The pump shaft seal is leaking when draining. But on the good side the cheap heating elements work grate! It takes about 20 to 30 min to dry a load. As for the pump shaft seal I can’t get the impeller off without heating it up real hot. Do you guys think I will damage anything by doing so? Or should I just put an electric pump in its place? I’m just afraid it would be really loud.
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