Thread Number: 64248
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Parnall SpinWasher De-Luxe 1966 |
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Post# 868290   2/22/2016 at 05:42 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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We had a mini meet recently to overhaul the Parnall SpinWasher semi-automatic top loader, I had a phone call from a lady in Somerset who at 70yrs young was downsizing, She told me when she first married her mother-in-law gave her this and she used it for nearly 10yrs with young children until she traded in for Bendix 7147 autowasher as she needed an automatic because she was a working mum. The Spinwasher had stood in her garage (and had been used a a spinner when she had problems with new washer) until she contacted me. She couldnt bare to skip it so wanted it to be preserved!!
Inital fill & test proved needed brake shoes adjusting, new motor capacitor, tweeks to the Selectromat control valve, re-fitting a nut and bolt in the perforated solid tub liner as it was leaking and usual new pipes etc..
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Post# 868291 , Reply# 1   2/22/2016 at 05:49 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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The Parnal Spinwasher is a perforated liner solid tub top loading semi-automatic washer. Its the later incarnation of the Thor Automagic, it has the ability to spin and store the wash water in the outer tub so you can remove one load add more and re-use the washwater. The 3kw heater is placed in the outer tub so you can fill from your hot water or heat it in the washer. The 2 pipes on the top are for (viewed from front) RHS - Drain Hose, and LHS Fill Hose.
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Post# 868293 , Reply# 2   2/22/2016 at 05:51 (2,985 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 868296 , Reply# 3   2/22/2016 at 05:54 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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The unique feature of the Spinwasher is the "Selectromat" control valve which controls and mains on / off / motor function / agitation & spin mode and a water valve which controls the water from the washtub and outer tub, ie spin to drain, spin to save, heat water and pump to inner tub, suds save re-use.
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Post# 868299 , Reply# 4   2/22/2016 at 05:59 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868300 , Reply# 5   2/22/2016 at 06:03 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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This diagram explains it beautifully...
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Post# 868301 , Reply# 6   2/22/2016 at 06:05 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868302 , Reply# 7   2/22/2016 at 06:07 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868303 , Reply# 8   2/22/2016 at 06:13 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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And here is the model of the day "Penelope Parnall"..
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Post# 868305 , Reply# 9   2/22/2016 at 06:17 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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The Parnall Spinwasher is in the new washer launderama studio and here we go on restoration..
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Post# 868306 , Reply# 10   2/22/2016 at 06:24 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868307 , Reply# 11   2/22/2016 at 06:29 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Removing the top panel to get to the inner tub, involves disconnecting the "con-rod" in the Selectomat dial and various valve to tub hoses and wiring connections..
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Post# 868308 , Reply# 12   2/22/2016 at 06:33 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Here Darren is retrieving the nut washer from the outer tub that had come loose from the liner of the perforated solid tub, once found it was placed back in the tub hole and sealed..
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Post# 868309 , Reply# 13   2/22/2016 at 06:36 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Here are the small intenal valve to tub hoses that need replacing and / or cleaning and freeing up.
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Post# 868310 , Reply# 14   2/22/2016 at 06:41 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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We found a great new product called "Son of a Gun" which is being put through its paces to clean and supple up all hoses, rubbers, gaskets etc..
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Post# 868311 , Reply# 15   2/22/2016 at 06:43 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Could be the answer to a lot of our problems with drying split cracked hoses and seals etc..
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Post# 868317 , Reply# 16   2/22/2016 at 07:16 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868319 , Reply# 17   2/22/2016 at 07:20 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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And water valve / diverter taken off and freed up which was totally seized. Also the metal pump which was full of limescale and labouring!!
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Post# 868321 , Reply# 18   2/22/2016 at 07:24 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Pump showing limescale and furring, the bolt had worn so we had to leave it attached to base but managed to free it up..
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Post# 868324 , Reply# 19   2/22/2016 at 07:29 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868330 , Reply# 20   2/22/2016 at 07:46 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Time for Tea - you know what its like...cake , tea and more cake!!
L - R, Rob (Aquarius84), Mathew (Keymatic3203), Mike (ChesterMikeUK) Darren (Slowspin66) Paul (MatchboxPaul) Dave (Ex Hoover Engineer) Austin and Richard (Ricky50)
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Post# 868331 , Reply# 21   2/22/2016 at 07:50 (2,985 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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Post# 868332 , Reply# 22   2/22/2016 at 07:51 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Next up was the motor and replacement capacitor @ 80ohms this was a big kicker!!
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Post# 868333 , Reply# 23   2/22/2016 at 07:54 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Re-assembling for a first test..Richard, Ian, Alistair (Vacbear58) Paul & Darren
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Post# 868337 , Reply# 24   2/22/2016 at 08:03 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868341 , Reply# 25   2/22/2016 at 08:07 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Mini test proving Selectramat con rod in wrong position, one of 4 positions,
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Post# 868342 , Reply# 26   2/22/2016 at 08:10 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868343 , Reply# 27   2/22/2016 at 08:14 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868345 , Reply# 28   2/22/2016 at 08:20 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868348 , Reply# 29   2/22/2016 at 08:23 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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So after more tea cake n dinner,, Richard gave another demonstration of the Electrolux Dishmaid dishwashere - WITH - the peanut butter smeared on glass test...
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Post# 868349 , Reply# 30   2/22/2016 at 08:27 (2,985 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868369 , Reply# 31   2/22/2016 at 11:55 (2,985 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)   |   | |
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Hi Mike & the Parnall-etts,
Looks like you all had a good time fiddling with the Spinwasher !! I have always thought they were great machines and offered the housewife total control over the wash with energy saving opportunities. The machine looks in great nick, luv the 3-way diverter valve, much better design than the Hoover diverter valve. Happy Spin-washing !! Keith |
Post# 868520 , Reply# 32   2/23/2016 at 06:28 (2,984 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Leon, its cleaner now with all those hands on it ha ha, must admit if ever I see a vitreous outer tub " Its gotta be shined" ,
can you see the similar outer tub was talking about on the Thor? Morning Keith, yes its a labour of love with these isnt it, glad all the mechanics where fine, just need brake shoes adjusting, and thanks for showing the pic of your agi cover, we where trying to work out what type it was, a Beemer badge fitted perfectly so getting one pressed with a P on it!! |
Post# 868527 , Reply# 33   2/23/2016 at 08:07 (2,984 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 868528 , Reply# 34   2/23/2016 at 08:14 (2,984 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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What a fun day you all had - restorations go more quickly and tons more fun with lots of hands in the mix.
Looks like your peanut butter test passed with high marks. That's such a cool dishwasher. |
Post# 868539 , Reply# 35   2/23/2016 at 09:45 (2,984 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Amazing! Thanks for sharing. |
Post# 868554 , Reply# 36   2/23/2016 at 11:01 (2,984 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868567 , Reply# 37   2/23/2016 at 11:56 (2,984 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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I am with Louis on this one - I have an irrational love of this machine (and the earlier models with controls on the front which have also been rescued by Darren) and have had since I first saw Keith's around 10 years ago and am so pleased to see it well on its way to full functionality again.
Its a shame that these machines were not more popular back in the day as they were about the same price as a better twin tub (like a Hoovermatic or Supertwin) and would have been a great deal less work to use. But Parnall always seemed to be a smaller scale manufacturer so probably did not have the manufacturing capacity - there was also a fully automatic version of this machine, although it was considerably more expensive - about on a par with the Hotpoint and Servis top loaders. I believe Parnall to have been the only machine manufactured in the UK to have a suds saving capability, although they approached it rather differently to North America in that the hot suds were retained in the machine and the washes completed consecutively before moving on to rinsing and final spin. I imagine that most users would have rinsed the first load (at least the first rinse) in the sink while the second load was washing just to save time. Louis, if Mike does not have a close up of the heater and timer controls I can do one for you at the weekend. It is such a pleasure to welcome friends back for another weekend (although this was a "working" weekend rather than just a "knees-up" like we had back at Halloween) sharing knowledge, stories and generally enjoying each others company which is what it is all about. The only shame is that somehow the clock accelerates and what seemed like a nice long weekend is past in the blink of an eye. And also so much fun having the Electrolux dishwasher back again, it got several runs over the weekend. And don't I look ancient - OK, maybe I am - in that picture with Richard (with a smile like that he should be selling toothpaste not dishwashers!) - next time I think I will have to instigate a policy of prior veto before pictures get posted - "Oh that God the gift would gie us ....." Al |
Post# 868792 , Reply# 39   2/24/2016 at 08:49 (2,983 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Louis, glad you like it, I first saw one of these when was 9 yrs old, I was at my aunts new house and as back then newlyweds had everyone elses donations until you could afford new. My Aunt had an old wringer washer and had wrung all my cousins nappies when new neighbour came in and commented on wet nappies " Bring them over and will run them through the Spin Dryer for you to aid drying, So me and my Aunt carried a pile each of said nappies accross the road, when we walked into her kitchen I watched in complete fascination as she "Spun to Save" took her own washing out, loaded the nappies then spun them dry, then while we where folding them she proceeded to pump the saved washwater back in and carried on....I was only used to twinnys and wringers so to see this was the best thing ever ha ha..
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Post# 868796 , Reply# 40   2/24/2016 at 08:53 (2,983 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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On the LHS is the blue Timer control which you pull down for Long / Medium / Short, ie between 1 & 4 mins.
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Post# 868797 , Reply# 41   2/24/2016 at 08:56 (2,983 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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The Red switch is the Heater, select Warm, Hot, Very Hot & Maximum for Boiling.
Note the Parnall badge has two rubber nubs either side which act as the lid rest.
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Post# 868799 , Reply# 42   2/24/2016 at 08:58 (2,983 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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And now the Selectomat valve / master switch control.
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Post# 868812 , Reply# 43   2/24/2016 at 10:12 (2,983 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Greg, yes all hands make lite work and lots of cakes as well, this top loader spun at 850rpm which was faster than the Servis at 650 but not as fast as the Hotpoint Filter Flow spinning at 1050rpm, saying that tub size and time adds another dimension, I doubt the user would have notices much difference and would have been much relieved like my Aunts neighbour that is was a lot more efficient and pleasant to use than a wringer.The diverter valve is all plastic unlike the hoover and is much simpler when apart, a user replied on Darrens video that the drain plug in hose became worn over time and especially with hot washes and that his mums drain hose regularly shot out causing a huge plume of water up in the air..
Hello Tom, no probs, did you ever use a Thor automagic or similar as a kid? or have one in the family? |
Post# 868822 , Reply# 44   2/24/2016 at 10:57 (2,983 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868823 , Reply# 45   2/24/2016 at 11:04 (2,983 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 868824 , Reply# 46   2/24/2016 at 11:04 (2,983 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Al, did you ever see any of these machines in Ireland? When I first observed the "Spin to Save" Sudsaver I always imagined it to be a square box somewhere under the drum that the water was pumped into and then pumped back...its a much simpler design in reality.
Hello Arthur glad you enjoyed the thread, I had my head down posting the pics and txt in the right order and didnt see your original txt. We had a lot of Parnall experience with this gang as Darren had renovated the earlier model with front controls and Mathew, Ian and Austin repair machines and had helped restore the Thor Automagic, along with Al & myself on hospitality we had all bases covered. I think when Overflow Rinsing yes you would get used to controlling the flow, just enough to flow the soap away, the gap between the bottom of the inner tub and the outer tub base is huge so it would take a vast amount of water before it interferred with the inner tub, have posted a diagram to show.
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Post# 868826 , Reply# 47   2/24/2016 at 11:11 (2,983 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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And a picture diagram..
Keith am just thinking what Arthur said, when the machine is set to rinse is the pump going? or could you accidentley fill up the outertub and overflow it?
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Post# 868827 , Reply# 48   2/24/2016 at 11:19 (2,983 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868831 , Reply# 49   2/24/2016 at 11:57 (2,983 days old) by Keymatic (London / UK)   |   | |
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Hi Mike, the pump runs all the time even through the washing cycle, just like the Thor Automagic.
No chance of flooding the machine on the rinse. You could either have timed rinse or i think there is a position on the timer for "rinse" and this kept the machine rinising until manually turned off. Reference Darren's machine, yes the pump lever on the front of the machine. Keith |
Post# 868856 , Reply# 50   2/24/2016 at 15:50 (2,982 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk)   |   | |
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Mike you have done another great job with this thread !! The weekend with everyone was fantastic and such great fun . It was also interesting working on the mk 11 spin washer as it's somewhat different to the earlier model
The mk11 is far more sophisticated as the switching and valve are interconnected and work with one action. The early model is reliant on the operator. The valve when facing away from the machine drains the tub and when moved to the right operates the suds return. The lever when upright closes the valve The pump on the earlier machine doesn't run all the time as the later model. There is a cable that moves the belt pulley onto the drive wheel of the pump . When I found the machine and did the first water test the only place it leaked was at the valve . The whole cabinet has to be removed to gain access to the switching and valve this involves removing the top and lid. All a bit of a faff !!!! The valve on the mk1 is made of brass and is a little tricky to refurbish . On the mk11 parnall had redesigned the valve and is far more simple and clearly improved I think it's great that we have examples of these machines in the club. They are such fun to use. Darren |
Post# 868869 , Reply# 52   2/24/2016 at 17:07 (2,982 days old) by Keymatic (London / UK)   |   | |
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Post# 868972 , Reply# 53   2/25/2016 at 07:45 (2,982 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Here is the Which report on semi-automatics from 1965 - the Parnall as shown here and the English Electric Tumble wash - the latter based on Westinghouse Space Mates
I think its the only time they tested semi-autos and, if you read the paragraph at the end you can see why their days were numbered. I still think one of these would have better than a twin tub |
Post# 869027 , Reply# 54   2/25/2016 at 12:25 (2,982 days old) by keymatic (London / UK)   |   | |
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Hi All...
Just found the advert for the Mk 3 Spin Washer, now this model I think the hot sudsy water was "pumped" to another chamber for holding until required, as per the wording in the advert. Keith
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