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Post# 869406   2/27/2016 at 12:57 (2,952 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        

I bought this as a nonessential midlife crisis toy for a mindless diversion and curiosity, to be a companion to the SQ TL AWNE9, which I couldn't be happier with. I thought it would be easier on sheets, bulky blankets and mattress pads, and save water on smaller loads and less important things. The metal outer tub was a huge selling point to me; less of a mold threat, I figured.

Only in this forum would I admit the cat and I stayed up until 3 a.m. watching it. The other cat is not interested, and upset that my attention is diverted from her.

Overall it's better than I expected, but FWIW here are my impressions.

It lacks the glitter of other brands, and it has no drum light. But it seems very heavy and solid. No squeaky plastic door here. It has lots of cycle options.

During agitation it is perfectly silent. The pump is very quiet when on.

During spin ramp up it has a short period when, even empty, the tub swings and makes a knocking/thumping sound, and sometimes the door can be seen moving a little. It doesn't like smaller loads and is picky about balancing them perfectly. After the thumping period, it accelerates faster and slower a few times and then settles into a spin that is astoundingly, unbelievably quiet, smooth and vibration free.

The lack of a heater or steam option can be worked around by first turning on the laundry tub faucet until the water is hot (just like we do the kitchen faucet for the dishwasher), and selecting a pre wash. That way, the cold clothes will cool down the first hot fill somewhat, but then the main fill will be hot and stay hot. Getting a true warm fill in the Winter might require picking hot first for a bit and then switching to warm.

There are models with bigger tubs but this one is big enough for me.

It fills up right away to just below the door without any weighing delays or debating. Very straightforward. When tumbling it looks like there's no water in there, but at a pause it rises back up to just below the door.

Rinsing is pretty good, even better with the extra rinse options. When it starts to fill for a rinse, the pump continues to run for a bit to flush out any suds in the outer tub from the spin before. Not sure if all FL's do that, but it seems to help a lot.

Re detergent and cleaning, maybe I'm on a learning curve. I have a WS, BTW. Tide HE Turbo, 1 Tablespoon, did not oversuds with a white load. Dirty white socks came clean. Tidy whities did not come out quite as perfectly white as with the SQ TL. 1 Tablespoon Cheer caused oversudsing halfway up the door with a load of sheets, and the pillow cases do not smell fresh. :-( Sheets did not ball up like they sometimes do in a dryer. We'll see if a rewash in Tide gets them clean. I washed two blankets, with 1 Tablespoon Woolite. No oversudsing. But it didn't rinse out as well as Tide HE probably would have. With the medium spin speed on the Bulky cycle, the blankets seem wetter and heavier than with the SQ TL. With the TL I would have limited that to one blanket at a time.

If I could keep only one machine, it'd be the SQ TL, which IMO cleans and rinses better and is easier on clothes than anything I've ever used. Over the years, I've used a FL here and there and JMO I've been unimpressed. The SQ FL is much better than the other FLs I've used, and I could live with it as my daily driver if I had to, but I'm still not one of those FL converts who prefers them hands down to TL. If someone asked me, I'd recommend the SQ TL over the FL. Overall the SQ FL seems like a laundromat machine -- a very nice, solid, well built, well engineered and competent machine that acts like it knows what it's doing, doesn't have to exert any effort to do it, and doesn't intend depart this Earth any time soon. For a FL it was my choice, and I'm not sorry I picked it. But others might prefer other FL brands with different price points, capacities and other features.






Post# 869478 , Reply# 1   2/27/2016 at 19:19 (2,951 days old) by nickatnight ()        
Congratualtions.........

There is probably going to be a learning curve with the new FL. Eventually, you'll probably find the right formula.

We came very close to purchasing this same front loader as a daily driver, but got cold feet. We already knew how the Speed Queen top loaders perform, so we chose the AWE92. Couldn't be happier.

Depending on our needs, we've been known to run small loads. Neat thing about the SQTL is how well balanced the spin is, regardless of load size. We were thinking the SQFL might not be that forgiving.

We would have chosen the FL if there was a way to live with it for awhile, before purchasing.



Post# 869480 , Reply# 2   2/27/2016 at 19:28 (2,951 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
To some extent all H-axis washing machines

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Are happiest for "cottons" or "normal" loads when at or near capacity. Delicates, woolens, etc... are another matter.

Even with modern electronic computer brains trying to balance small loads is difficult for many H-axis machines and the resulting vibrations and so forth likely aren't good for the washer.


Post# 869482 , Reply# 3   2/27/2016 at 19:57 (2,951 days old) by nickatnight ()        
Well Said

A small but heavy lump of wet clothing resting at the six O'clock position, just before spinning.

For most any front loader, we were thinking it would sound something like thump, thump, thump for awhile.

Our sometimes smaller loads not a good fit for the FL's, we think.



Post# 869488 , Reply# 4   2/27/2016 at 21:39 (2,951 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
That's why

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I prefer a compact FL machine over those behemoths out now.


Post# 869490 , Reply# 5   2/27/2016 at 22:00 (2,951 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
default settings for each cycle

What are the default settings for each cycle? I.E. tempertaures and spin speeds and soil levels for normal eco, heavy duty etc.

Post# 869492 , Reply# 6   2/27/2016 at 22:03 (2,951 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
Correction...

temperatures

Post# 869517 , Reply# 7   2/28/2016 at 03:20 (2,951 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Truly well built front loaders such as commerical/industrial

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Washers recommend for most all "normal" cycles to load the drum fully.





My vintage Miele washer per owner's manual states pretty much the same. You can load the drum full leaving a bit of room at the top (about the size of human fist), and all should be well.

Fast forward to modern times and IIRC many machines by Miele and others only recommend loading washer three-quarters full. For all its huge size the now discontinued Miele 4XXX series washers were one such beast.

This probably has to do with the niggardly amounts of water being used in modern machines. My water frugal AEG OKO-Lavamat shows "full/100%) often when the drum is only three-quarters loaded. If it has to stop and top off water too many times an "overload/percentage" message will almost certainly follow.

H-axis washers wash and rinse better when doing full loads because of how they operate. Spin cycles are easier and more balanced when there is a full load of "normal" clothing out of pure physics. Fully loaded drum allows machine to evenly disperse load round perimeter of tub as machine beings to spin. With less than full loads of say "Cottons" machine must try harder to evenly move what little there is around tub evenly. Often after whatever pre-programmed attempts machine will simply start spinning; banging, clanging, and vibrating away.

One reason I like the Oko-Lavamat over older Miele is that it tries much harder to reach even distribution of washing for smoother spins.


Post# 869547 , Reply# 8   2/28/2016 at 09:07 (2,951 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Default settings

Hi GElaundry4ever:

If you go to SQ's website, pick the AWNE9RS front loader, then scroll down and hit Product Literature, then Use and Care Manual. You should get the full owner's manual with pages of charts that show the control panel, default settings, and what every cycle does exactly, with timings down to the second. :-)


Post# 869548 , Reply# 9   2/28/2016 at 09:12 (2,951 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Post# 869551 , Reply# 10   2/28/2016 at 09:36 (2,951 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Load size

Hi Laundress and nickatnite,

Yes the owner's manual says "do not hesitate" to fill the drum completely with clothes, and it says that smaller loads will result in premature wear to the washer. It also recommends adding other items to balance a load such as a towel to balance a blanket.

All that said, with a smaller load there are times when it balances out perfectly on the first try, and there are times when, with a full load, it has to try several times, although that's less often.

Not sure if all FL's use this procedure but this is what it does: spin is clockwise. So, while rotating clockwise, it will slowly increase speed, and if it's unbalanced it will slow down, then try again. If after (I think) the third try it's unsuccessful, then it stops and pauses, as if with an eye roll and sigh. Then it rotates alternately CCW and CW several times to mix it all up, and tries again. If it still doesn't balance, then it tries speeding up more gradually. Kinda reminiscent of Julia Child scooping her potato pancake off the stove and smoothing it back in the pan with her hands, remarking that the beauty of being in the kitchen is that nobody sees you, and then saying, "now I'm gonna flip this, by gum."


Post# 869791 , Reply# 11   2/29/2016 at 14:50 (2,950 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

I have a 6K Miele washer and sometimes it does the spin as you described.  Other times it will do a burst spin(quick ramp up then slow to stop, then flip the clothes back and forth, before slow ramp up to spin, and other times it will do two sets of quick ramp up and flip back and forth, before slowly starting the spin and gradually increasing the speed.

 

So it kind of like you don't know what you are going to get - until you to get it.   I can't really say I have problems with it going into spins since it seems to use different approaches for different types of loads. 

 

How long is the wash portion on your FL SQ and do different cycles use different wash lengths?  How many rinses does it do?


Post# 869857 , Reply# 12   2/29/2016 at 20:44 (2,949 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        

Heavy duty washes 15 minutes, Whites 20. If you press both second rinse and third rinse, it does a total of 5 rinses.

I'm really happy with it now that I've had some learning curve time. 1 tablespoon detergent is plenty.

I did an experiment. After a load of sheets was washed in the FL,, I put them in the TL on rinse only, and the rinse water in the TL was very clear. So the FL rinses well! I'm very satisfied, and with the amazing water and detergent savings I believe I'll be using it much more than the TL.


Post# 869859 , Reply# 13   2/29/2016 at 20:57 (2,949 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        

Maybe I should have said it does 2 rinses normally, a third if you press second rinse, and two more if you press third rinse.

When the spin starts to accelerate, it makes the knocking, banging, thumping sound danmantn showed on a video clip, but only for a few moments, and then it speeds up into a very smooth and quiet spin.


Post# 869869 , Reply# 14   2/29/2016 at 21:57 (2,949 days old) by NICKATNIGHT ()        
Sounds Great........

Just out of curiosity, do you think a king-size comforter would fit in there?

We were just curious. Thanks.


Post# 869875 , Reply# 15   2/29/2016 at 22:57 (2,949 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        

I don't think so.

It's 3.4 cubic feet. Even if you could manage to stuff it in, I can't imagine it getting clean and rinsing out.

The LGs and Samsungs typically are 4.3 and 4.5 cubic ft, and I believe it's their 5.2 cubic ft mega size FLs that are advertised as being able to do a King comforter. (But after the comforter is washed, with a machine 5.2 cubic ft, it'd be hard to come up with a big enough load of clothes to wash without having spin balancing problems, unless you have a big family and/or like to just wash one huge load of everything mixed together without sorting)


Post# 869877 , Reply# 16   2/29/2016 at 23:15 (2,949 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Do not think there is a front loader sold for domestic use

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That will hold a king sized down filled duvet. At least not dry and fluffy. If you could manage to get all the air out and saturated with water that might be another matter.

All eider down filled items go to the laundromat and into the 50lb washer.

Look at the above video. That huge commercial front loader (soft mount) can handle being packed full of down items because of the build quality and likely how it is programmed. Most likely after first wash/rinse the machine will spin to flatten things out by removing the air naturally trapped in down.

IIRC Miele or some other large front loader has or had a down/pillow cycle that pretty much did the same, but think duvets were limited to queen or perhaps double/full.

Then doing down items at laundromat things basically go round and round/back and forth until the first spin. This causes "tons" of water to be extracted from the load along with air, hence the flattening.

Down actually resists water and is quite buoyant; this is why it keeps birds warm and dry. So it takes some time for pillows and duvets to get "wet" enough and begin to lose those properties. However helped along by compression (extraction, wringing through a mangle, etc...) it will happen quicker.


Post# 869899 , Reply# 17   3/1/2016 at 02:11 (2,949 days old) by nickatnight ()        
Thanks, Laundress.....

So, king-size comforter? We'll continue to leave it to the professionals.

No top loader buyers remorse for us.

Thanks for your insight.


Post# 869920 , Reply# 18   3/1/2016 at 06:38 (2,949 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
New SQ Front Load Washers

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Hi HD, thanks for the thoughtful reviews on the new SQFLers, I have had my SQFL washer for over 11 years now and never a single problem.

 

I do admit I almost always wash really full loads however.

 

We are selling a lot of the new FL washers and so far no problems. The slight knocking during acceleration with slightly unbalanced loads is the shocks not the bearings.

 

Our little company has sold more than 500 TLSQs and more than 100 SQFLers over the past 6 or 7 years and I live in fear of having to replace bearings and transmissions in the TLers as they start to fail, by contrast major repairs are a piece of cake on the FL machines, however I am sure that most of the SQ TL machines will just get replaced when this happens.

 

The price of SQ FLers has recently DROPPED by $200-300 so they are now competitive with other brands high end models.

 

To wash King-Sized comforters at home we just use one of our 60s Kenmore Combos, it does a beautiful job.

John L.


Post# 869934 , Reply# 19   3/1/2016 at 07:48 (2,949 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Second rinsing questions

Hi John L,

This is off topic but several times I have seen your warnings that second rinsing in the SQ TL causes main tub seal failure.

Is this also true when there is a water softener?

Is there any work around for second rinsing without impacting the seal?

And is this an issue with the SQ FL as well?

Thanks,
Steve


Post# 869952 , Reply# 20   3/1/2016 at 09:55 (2,949 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

Steve, good question, as a owner of a fairly new AWN432, IM curious about this also, although I only need a 2'nd rinse on the rare occasions I use chlorine bleach. Cheryl

Post# 869997 , Reply# 21   3/1/2016 at 15:43 (2,949 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
Just add fabric softener..,

I have a SQ TL AWN542 going on 7 years. If you're concerned just go back to the washer the old fashioned way and add your fab soft to the final rinse or add another cup if you've already used the dispenser. That's what I do when I use the second rinse.
Mike


Post# 870015 , Reply# 22   3/1/2016 at 17:57 (2,948 days old) by mamapinky (blairsville pa)        

A cup of FS..my clothes would feel like gum lol...besides for me its making sure all chlorine residue is out and FS won't help that..Cheryl

Post# 870036 , Reply# 23   3/1/2016 at 19:08 (2,948 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
LMAO!!!!

I meant a cap!!!! Lol
MIKE


Post# 870074 , Reply# 24   3/2/2016 at 02:45 (2,948 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Samsung claims the new 5.6 machines can do two king size comforters .... Why the heck would you want a machine that could do that, not only that, why are there two king beds in one house to begin with?

Post# 870096 , Reply# 25   3/2/2016 at 08:27 (2,948 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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They claim it can do TWO king sized comforters?  That's crazy.  I wouldn't wash one, even that super sized machine.  It may roll with the drum, but it won't tumble and certainly won't do much more than get wet, if that.  These manufacturers are trying to outdo each other with words their product's actual performance can't back up.

 

I actually know several people with two king sized beds in the same (big) house.  Master bedroom, guest bedrooms, older kid's bedrooms, etc.   Hadn't thought about it, but I guess it's not all that uncommon.  


Post# 870115 , Reply# 26   3/2/2016 at 11:13 (2,948 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Sud Routine

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This machine also has a SUDS routine that if detected, will add two additional rinses for a total of 7 maximum.

Malcolm


Post# 870121 , Reply# 27   3/2/2016 at 12:57 (2,948 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Congratulations on the the SQ fl and the wonderful kitty!

Maybe the other one needs some food and petting to feel included in the laundry ritual.

I think that the more you use it, the better you will like it. I do keep a TL handy for spinning something small and heavy that won't balance in a FL, but I still wash it in the FL to save water and detergent.


Post# 870197 , Reply# 28   3/2/2016 at 21:37 (2,947 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Update

Today for the first time I wore clothes washed in the SQ FL. They were every bit as clean as those done in the TL., actually I think cleaner, and there was no detergent scent lingering, so they were rinsed out too. I'll be using the FL much more than I thought. :-)

1 Tablespoon of Woolite is plenty, cleans well and does not oversuds. The only thing that did not work was Cheer; it caused an oversuds situation and nothing got clean because the excess suds interfered with wash action.


Post# 870235 , Reply# 29   3/3/2016 at 03:31 (2,947 days old) by nickatnight ()        
Hate to put you on the spot, but.......

.......we were wondering if the extra-clean clothes were the product of a stuffed tub, or one of the smaller (thump, thump, thump) loads, which aren't supposed to clean as well?



Post# 870279 , Reply# 30   3/3/2016 at 08:26 (2,947 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Not a problem

The load was 9 long sleeve mesh polo shirts. It filled the tub loosely about 3/4 of the way, maybe there were 3 or 4 inches or so at the top.

Might be worth mentioning there was no tangling at all. :-)

The capacity is smaller than the other brands, and basically the same as the SQ TL -- IMO. I suspect some would disagree with me, but JMO if you pack it too tightly or put in more than you would in the TL, then there will be objects in the middle of the tumbling mass that just go around and around in the center but do not fall, so IMO they would not be getting clean. It is the falling onto the base of the tub which forces water through an item much like slapping it on a stone at the river bank. Too much suds also interferes with that water action in a garment, and results in things just rolling around instead of slapping the tub. So I've started hypothesizing that people who complain about lack of cleaning in HE FLs might be overloading and/or using too much detergent, and I know for sure that when I got poor cleaning in coin-op FLs many years ago it was due to too much detergent in pre-HE detergent days -- as well as too much water. The old school FLs I have used filled with a lot more water, say 1/4 to 1/3 of the way up the window if I remember right, and items rolled around the base of the tub instead of slapping it. Another factor -- no doubt the new SQ washes a lot longer than older coin ops did.

The SQ seems to fill higher (always to the lip of the tub/base of the gasket) than the other modern brands, based upon photos people have posted. But the other brands seem to have more sophisticated tumbling alterations and patterns than the SQ to compensate for lower water levels.

I haven't experimented yet with the question of how small a load one can get away with. It's possible the other brands, some of which advertise the ability to wash and dry just one item overnight, probably have more sophisticated tumbling rhythms to balance smaller loads. Someone above described their Miele's balancing act, which is definitely more sophisticated.

This whole post was undoubtedly a huge bore to experienced FL users.


Post# 870282 , Reply# 31   3/3/2016 at 08:43 (2,947 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
fabric softener

Can you use fabric softener on the normal eco cycle on the front loaders or do you have to use heavy duty and other cycles?

Post# 870292 , Reply# 32   3/3/2016 at 09:33 (2,947 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Fabric softener

Can be used with any cycle on the SQ FL. Normal Eco cycle uses reduced water levels and temps but it does two rinses I believe so there's no reason why you couldn't use FS.

Post# 870406 , Reply# 33   3/4/2016 at 04:19 (2,946 days old) by nickatnight ()        
Thanks, Helicadrive.......

It wasn't a bore to us. Nothing else really matters.

Thanks, again.


Post# 870474 , Reply# 34   3/4/2016 at 12:38 (2,946 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
No tangling -- simply amazing

Last thing I have to report. Last night I washed a load of 8 dress shirts. Collars and cuffs came clean. Balancing spins was effortless and quick. Amazingly, there was no tangling of the sleeves and shirts. None! In fact there wasn't even one twisted up sleeve.

There's nothing else to report. This is a heavy, well made, quiet and smooth machine that does a great job. I am perfectly satisfied.


Post# 872140 , Reply# 35   3/12/2016 at 17:53 (2,937 days old) by mr_b ()        

I typically wash 12-14 long sleeve oxford shirts with a couple pair of Khaki pants with no tangling in my SQFL washer. I also find that a table spoon of Tide is all that is needed.

Post# 872149 , Reply# 36   3/12/2016 at 18:47 (2,937 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
speed queen against maytag

It looks like Speed Queen is giving Maytag a run for their money.

Post# 872248 , Reply# 37   3/13/2016 at 09:30 (2,937 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Thanks .... and that's for sure

Thanks mr b, that's very good to know that it's not just me, and others have also found 1 tablespoon is plenty of detergent. I definitely would have put in a dozen shirts if I had had that many dirty at the time. I was kind of curious if a smaller load of 8 would be ok, and it was. I noticed that the Cheer which caused oversudsing was an old bottle without an HE logo. For colors, Woolite seems to work best of the ones I've tried. It causes less suds than Tide HE Turbo and rinses out easier. In recent years Woolite seems to have changed -- still protects colors but now also cleans very thoroughly, and gets clothes noticeably cleaner than Cheer. And it's no slacker at stain removal. At least to me, so it seems. Sometimes though, I wonder if my perceptions are more subjective than reality.. I think most people scoff at Woolite, and think it's a lot of extra money for a false claim of less fading. But it seems easier on colors to me, and I figure a few extra bucks for a bottle of detergent is nothing compared to what that load of clothes cost -- $200 to $500 bucks or more...

Yes GE, Newton Iowa Maytag has been put out of business by SQ at my house. The SQ TL and FL are the first washers of my life that get my clothes truly clean. I'm so excited. TMI, but until SQ, if I got sweaty in a shirt on a hot Summer day, I could never get the sweathog smell out. After washing, such a shirt would seem clean, but 5 minutes after putting it on, and before I got out the door, that sweathog smell would be right back, and off it would come. Close friends would say they could not smell it, but I could. I pulled a bunch of shirts like that, which hung unworn for years, out of the back of the closet and put them in the SQ FL, and now they're finally clean and odor free all day!

I find I'm using the SQ FL more than the SQ TL. The SQ TL is faster, though.



Post# 874386 , Reply# 38   3/25/2016 at 14:46 (2,925 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Just to post a teaser ;-)

We put black felt on the top so they don't scratch before a customer gets them in their house.


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Post# 874404 , Reply# 39   3/25/2016 at 16:10 (2,925 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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Wow nice!! Can you stack those?

Post# 874414 , Reply# 40   3/25/2016 at 17:48 (2,925 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Wow!

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Those are pretty.
Malcolm


Post# 874423 , Reply# 41   3/25/2016 at 18:58 (2,924 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Pretty

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No they are not designed to stack, but if you are tall enough to see the slanted dryer control panel and can figure a way to either attach them or build a shelf for the dryer just above the washer there is nothing stopping from installing one above the other.


Post# 874654 , Reply# 42   3/27/2016 at 22:39 (2,922 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
OMG

The SQ website photo does not convey how gorgeous those machines are! It'd be worth the extra money in the case of a main floor or kitchen installation in a really nice house.

I am really pleased with my new SQ FL.



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