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Post# 874221   3/24/2016 at 13:44 (2,952 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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More sadness...






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Post# 874229 , Reply# 1   3/24/2016 at 14:20 (2,952 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Well...

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Post# 874233 , Reply# 2   3/24/2016 at 14:38 (2,952 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

The only thing it fails at is blood. Which (according to my maths, having transfered these grades to my German grade system) pulls down the averade to 2.6, which indeed is just about a C+, but not bad by any mean, especially with them not stateing which cycle they used.

Further, somehow this array of stains and the scores tells me this washer uses pretty hot water: While all other stain types only take advantage by hot water, blood stains are prone to settle in due to proteins in the blood denaturing (the same that happens to eggs if you boil them). This process starts at somewhere around 110°F for blood.


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Post# 874285 , Reply# 3   3/24/2016 at 19:29 (2,952 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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For reference:

When sorted by washing/cleaning performance, LG's WT7700 gets a rating of Very Good and ranks sixteenth in Consumer Reports's current list of 46 tested HE top-loaders. Two of the 46 rank Excellent in cleaning, 31 Very Good, and 13 Good, Fair or Poor. The top-scoring HE toploader received a total score of 73.

For comparison:

When sorted by washing/cleaning performance, 27 of 44 tested front-loaders (all HE, naturally) received a rating of Excellent in cleaning; 11 Very Good; 6 Good. The top-scoring front-loader received a total score of 85.

Remember that there is a 20-point spread within each of their five rating designations (Excellent, Very Good, Good, Fair, Poor).

The fact that machines can be sorted by washing performance means CR does, indeed, give each machine a hard number to rank cleaning performance. I wish they'd provide us that number rather than the vague Excellent, Very Good, etc. designation.

Personally, I would only purchase a washer or dishwasher that ranks Excellent in cleaning.




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Post# 874290 , Reply# 4   3/24/2016 at 19:40 (2,952 days old) by ryanm (New York)        

Someone in my family has this LG top load, and we have been very impressed with it's function and ability to clean. It has a very versatile array of selections, uses more water when necessary, and turnover that I have seen even on the fullest loads is very good. Extraction is excellent. There has been no problem with stain removal either on any of the items. This is just my opinion coming from someone who has liked 'traditional' top loaders I was really surprised at how much I was impressed by the function of this new HE top loader. I don't believe everything I hear on ratings, as in the past we all know ratings can be misleading. Proof is when you actually are a user of the product.

Post# 874295 , Reply# 5   3/24/2016 at 20:12 (2,952 days old) by washer111 ()        
Blood and Hot Water

Managed to nick myself shaving the other evening, and ended up transferring a dab of blood to my white polo shirt. I did quickly put a droplet or two of water on it, but alas the stain was set by the time it found the washer (F&P FL) a day later with the rest of my whites.

Machine is uses Hot-only fill for 60º or 90º washes, so no doubt the water was already quite warm (heater is at about 130ºF), used a scoop of Bio-Zet detergent and some of the new gold-capped Vanish (oxy. stain remover - as it was a load of whites!) - all came out clean, spare one shirt with a slight tomato stain.

As far as I'm aware, LG machines as a whole do seem to have gotten rave reviews from the members here that have them, so I can't fathom why this one should really be all that different.


Post# 874329 , Reply# 6   3/25/2016 at 05:12 (2,951 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Blood is actually verry easy to bleach and Vanish AFAIK is targeted towards medium wash temperartures, so you most likely just bleached the stain, not actually removed it.

Post# 874347 , Reply# 7   3/25/2016 at 07:30 (2,951 days old) by Jmm63 (Denville, NJ)        

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I actually get angry watching these stupid top loaders "wash" clothes.  The slow dribble of water, the jiggling of the balled up clothes, the clothes never seem to move, all get my blood pressure up.  And 1 1/2 hour cycle times.  NO thanks.  I'll take my 7 year old front loaders anytime!

 


Post# 874470 , Reply# 8   3/26/2016 at 03:18 (2,951 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

WOW-you can get an LG washer that oscillates,shakes,and spin splodes your clothes to go along with the LG Piddle-Pee dishwasher!Just what I needed.Think for my clothes will stick with my Hotpoint or Kenmore.Had to ask--does the toy duck and frog come with the LG dishwasher?Just had to ask.They starred in the earlier dishwasher video.Too bad they didn't put the duck and frog in the washer-they might like the ride!

Post# 874496 , Reply# 9   3/26/2016 at 10:57 (2,950 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
bleach does not just remove the color

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Laundress explained this far better than I can, but it's an error to believe that bleach only takes out the color. Reducing agents break bonds and the stain is actually removed, not just made invisible.


Post# 874514 , Reply# 10   3/26/2016 at 14:19 (2,950 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

It is true that some stains can be broken down by bleach, but blood is surely not one of them.

Post# 874516 , Reply# 11   3/26/2016 at 15:12 (2,950 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
My cat

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accidentally play scratched the back of my neck and I had a small amount of blood on my pillow case...I always heard to put peroxide on blood stains and it works.

Post# 874564 , Reply# 12   3/27/2016 at 03:34 (2,950 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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peroxide is what we old nurses used on white uniforms back in the day to get blood out.


Post# 874574 , Reply# 13   3/27/2016 at 05:23 (2,949 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Before the blood stain is heated beyond the 110F, it is just a usual stain, and thus can be treated a lot of ways without any complication.

Once they have been heated that far, the protein strains in the stain fold and bunch up, creating a mesh kind structure within the fibre, binding the stain to it.
The stain caught in between fibres simply breaks away during washing, but the stain caught within the fibre won't shift anymore.


Post# 874658 , Reply# 14   3/28/2016 at 02:03 (2,949 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

The three videos which Logixx posted make me glad I didn't buy one of these.

Waveforce seemed like an interesting technology to me, but watching the clothes just move back and forth without any rollover nearly makes me sick. I thought the waveforce technology was supposed to force the clothes to rollover when the impeller couldn't do anything, but obviously these videos prove otherwise.

MRB's post does certainly bring forth one very good point. What is the point of having all of this awesome and interesting technology when the machine can't even do the very needed thing that it is supposed to do?

I think if it used considerably more water and had a redesigned impeller with considerably longer vanes, it might have some hope of being a decent machine.

I'm certainly not sold on the idea of HE style top loading washing. LG is doing a good job proving that to me. At least from these videos anyway...

Not to mention, the price on these machines is nuts. For the same price, one could pick up a half decent front loading machine which would work better. (IMHO!)


Post# 874682 , Reply# 15   3/28/2016 at 08:03 (2,948 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Wave Force spins the entire tub to create waterfalls that cascade over the clothes. This worked well on the first models, if the load had the right size and an appropriate cycle was chosen. Unfortunately, LG reprogrammed their washers and the tub now rarely spins fast enough to create these waterfalls.

These LG washers do a good job of moving the clothes... if the items are fully submerged and the washer is basically no longer an HE model, though. Comforters, of course, just float and need to be manually turned over.


Post# 874685 , Reply# 16   3/28/2016 at 08:31 (2,948 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Here's the Power Cleanse cycle. Lots of agitation - and a water consumption probably higher than any standard top loader.





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Post# 874723 , Reply# 17   3/28/2016 at 14:46 (2,948 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        

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My Mom bought a G.E. Harmony Washer and Dryer set when they came out in 2004 and not one problem with either ever..I know it's made by L.G. I think but they

are only 4.0 C.F.  that thing will fill all the way up and wash like hell. I wonder what gives cause it don't wash like that one at all.. That machine will heat the water and spin at 1100 R.P.M.s.. My Dad still has both of them and they wash and dry great.The clothes roll and boil in that machine when it's turned on super wash..

 

 



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Post# 874732 , Reply# 18   3/28/2016 at 16:53 (2,948 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)        

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I love the sound of that DD motor spooling up to spin. Cool. ;-)

I remember when my ex and I bought a Maytag Neptune set in 1998. I had never heard a washer sound that way...like an airplane. LOL. Was pretty neat.


Post# 875604 , Reply# 19   4/4/2016 at 13:25 (2,941 days old) by tablefor9 ()        

Really interesting to read all this. Just this morning I returned either that exact machine or one nearly identical to lowes. I only have room for one set and with a big family I need a big washer. I thought the huge drum could be loaded up but it could really only handle half loads and even then I would stand and watch and watch only to see the dirty clothes on top just shift around slightly. I had to wash everything on either bulky or heavy duty to get it to use enough water and have somewhat decent agitation.

They just brought the new set which is the big 5.2 cubic foot lg front loader with the mini washer in the pedestal and it cleans so much better is way less time. The top loader took 1:22 at a minimum to get clothes acceptably but not really clean. With the turbo wash this front loader can get a bigger load much cleaner with less soap in 50 minutes plus during that same time I can run a mini load of delicates.


Post# 875640 , Reply# 20   4/4/2016 at 20:34 (2,941 days old) by washman (o)        
Looking at the so called agitation

I think you could accomplish the same effect by placing your clothes in a bath tub, secure an ash wood handle, splurch it around and get the same results for a lot less money, BS, and aggravation.

Thanks but I'll stick with and rebuild when necessary my crude Speed Queen. I'll take a crude machine that does what it is effing supposed to do over any overwrought techno-garbage HE machine any day.


Post# 875663 , Reply# 21   4/5/2016 at 02:41 (2,941 days old) by mieleforever (SOUTH AFRICA)        

What terrible performance!! We were at my parents house for the Easter weekend and had to do some laundry for the children (two of them now, one 4 and one 14 months). (they have very new LG TL) What abysmal performance, firstly it uses litres upon litres of water in a very water scarce country, but there is no results that goes with that, it washes so bad that the detergent was still stuck to the clothes after it was finnished washing, and then the stains, after the children's clothing was washed it smelled better but was still dirty. It really is a shame these new fangeled machines are taking over the world.

I would just stuck to our Miele. My parents in law nowadays bring some of their heavily soiled items to our house for cleaning, and their handwash or very delicate items are washed in our washing machine.

These machines are in my opinion very glamorous but it really can't do anything except being glamourous.

Save your money buy a Miele.

Regards


Post# 875670 , Reply# 22   4/5/2016 at 06:46 (2,940 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
high efficiency washers

wash with water. Front load and top loaders.
Some may prefer their clothing to be washed in water, which requires more water.
Do you know that a washing machine was developed which uses sonic sound waves to blast soil off of clothes?
Now that I find agitating.
I doubt that people would continue buying either style of high efficiency washers if they were not cleaning their clothes well.


Post# 875679 , Reply# 23   4/5/2016 at 09:15 (2,940 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Too many people have exactly the same complaint

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across too many different types of internet forums for me to believe that HE toploaders, as a group, clean well.

People do tend to accept whatever low standard is the norm in their area. Living my entire life between two very different cultures, I was never able to accept the bullshit in Germany that books should cost three times what they cost in Austria or The Netherlands.

I can buy German books from German publishing houses for less in Billings, Montana than in Munich.

Stupid.

Same with chocolate, beer, bread, butter, just in reverse.

When heterosexual male friends notice that my working clothes are way cleaner than theirs, it's not a fantasy driven complaint on exclusive Internet sites, driven by hysterical o/c queens.

It's a genuine failure.

Water which is hard to treat is should be limited in use to a minimum. Water which is easy to treat may be used copiously.

It's that simple.

 

Ultimately, we need to accept that TL and HE don't work together. FL washers clean very well with very little water. Top Loaders can't.

 

There's also the not-so-minor point of mold and bacterial growth in the tubs of these cold-water, two-teaspoon whirl-y-gigs. Yech.


Post# 875707 , Reply# 24   4/5/2016 at 15:01 (2,940 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Mold & bacteria EWEH!

Myabe I'll just use Dryell from now on then.
How ironic that your work attire is cleaner than your co workers whose wives (some of) do their laundry.
Maytag Neptunes had mold issues, but they did clean well. With the jet spray stain removal with concentrated detergent, and the tumbling of the load over and over into more water than an HE top loader, no surprise there.
Westinghouse was at it long before, and so was whirlpool with their combo units.
As we are soon to be empty nesters our selves, except for maybe a dog, we will likely travel more. I may never buy another laundry pair. For three or four loads per week, I can tote the lot to a Laundromat for a few dollars, vs. spending over a thousand every five to 8 years on repairs, warranty's and new equipment.
Naturally, my other half thinks I'm a bit of a whaco, until I showed the proof in the math. The Laundromat is right next to the gym, so it's also multi tasking.
I also do not have to sit home waiting for a repair person.


Post# 875710 , Reply# 25   4/5/2016 at 15:35 (2,940 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

After watching several videos of HE top loading washers I have come to the definite conclusion that ALL the HE top loaders are pieces of crap! How could anyone possibly think they do a good job? Just watching them tells the story. Only if you never really get anything dirty in the first place would they work alright for you. They seem to twist and wear your clothes rather badly too. They do seem to work alright if you have a very small load, but that's about it.



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Post# 875733 , Reply# 26   4/5/2016 at 18:20 (2,940 days old) by washer111 ()        

I think it was the Calypso HE machine that does receive some praise from the members who have acquired examples over time.
The "hula" agitation, similar to one of the vintage machines in Robert's collection seemed to turn everything over far better than traditional wash plate machines.

People buy these because they are cheap and supposedly going to save them money. Dare I say, but most people don't give more than a passing glimpse about the cleanliness of their clothes. Even if it was washed on a 15min cold water cycle, no matter what stains or smells remain, its Clean.

Personally, I agree that HE FL's do work better. Actually the one I'm using is supposed to be "HE," although the cycles I've used seem to be anything but.
My question is - why should I use the "Normal" cycle when it takes 30 mins longer to wash? With electric heating elements maintaining the selected temperature, if you use hot washes, that could work out to be more electric use than the water-heavy "Heavy" and "Everyday" cycles I've been using. Now, even though certain others in this household spend half the night in the shower, I'm not going to capitalise on "Monkey see, monkey do." I would rather demonstrate how infrequent "BobLoads" of laundry washed in warm and hot do very little to impact on the utility bill.


Post# 875770 , Reply# 27   4/6/2016 at 00:27 (2,940 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
beware.

If you run a full load, it could explode. I have seen a video review where somebody had a Samsung washer explode as soon as they got it home.

Post# 875780 , Reply# 28   4/6/2016 at 06:06 (2,939 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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HE Top-loaders: Call me when they start to explode while still in the box.

HE Top-loaders pt. 2: I enjoy new technology and ideas and shiny feature-laden machines...but a modern front-loader will always be the daily driver in my laundry room.



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