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Post# 877368   4/16/2016 at 19:22 (2,903 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        

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Went to Warner's Stellian Appliance in Apple Valley MN with Wonderwife Katie today. I left the owner of a new SQ FL set. WOW I am so elated to have the BEST washer for home use ever. Katie said she had not seen me smile like that since our wedding. The beautiful Ladies will be delivered a week from Monday.
Of course I talked to the salesman about AW and vintage appliances in general.
Here I am Beaming next to the display, these are the exact models I bought.
WK78


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Post# 877370 , Reply# 1   4/16/2016 at 19:28 (2,903 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Cool!

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They look like tanks! Make sure to take pics and video of the cycles in operation :)

Post# 877377 , Reply# 2   4/16/2016 at 20:44 (2,902 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I think hell just froze over.  You bought a front load washer!!


Post# 877378 , Reply# 3   4/16/2016 at 20:45 (2,902 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Best washer and dryer ever made!

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Is an under statement. These will outperform anything on the market today in every way possible rivaling many vintage brands. I have a Speed Queen topload washer going 3 years now, best decision I ever made. When the Whirlpool Dryer goes Speed Queen dryer is going in without a thought. And oh, CONGRATS!


BTW, what did the sales guy say about AW?


Post# 877405 , Reply# 4   4/17/2016 at 06:57 (2,902 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
Thanks Guys:

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Mark: They are very well built machines, Like tanks is a good description. That is the main reason I chose them. That and being American made. I will take pics and vids.

Yes Bob I will now have something other than a DD WP in my laundry room. I'm sure stranger things have happened.

Chetlaham: Agreed across the board. The salesman was amazed that a group such as AW existed. He thought it was pretty cool though.
WK78



Post# 877424 , Reply# 5   4/17/2016 at 09:36 (2,902 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Pedestals?

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Did you purchase with the pedestals? I am still holding out. The imperials I have are running fine, so replacement would be kind of silly right now. Doesn't mean it isn't gonna happen though...

Congrats on your purchase. Prepare to be amazed!

Malcolm


Post# 877425 , Reply# 6   4/17/2016 at 09:40 (2,902 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I'm hoping when my Duet dies

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that they will ad a heater to their FL washers. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one. I like the cycle options it has and I love the door on the washer. Did you buy the pedestals or do they come with it?

Post# 877428 , Reply# 7   4/17/2016 at 10:07 (2,902 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
Pedestals:

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I bought the pedestals for $149 each. They do not have storage drawers but do seem much more substantial than other brands, just like the machines themselves. :)
WK78


Post# 877430 , Reply# 8   4/17/2016 at 11:14 (2,902 days old) by Lalie ()        
Wow!

I am saving up to buy those. Those would are my dream washer/dryer! Would you mind telling me how much the washer and dryer cost each? Also, how do they do with small loads and delicates? Thank you very much!

Post# 877432 , Reply# 9   4/17/2016 at 11:29 (2,902 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I personally see far too many benefits of having an onboard heater and it saves me money from having to keep the water heater at 140 degrees or more.  My washer & dishwasher heat the water as needed.  I cannot live any other way in an all electric house.  My laundry is far cleaner and last longer like this thank keeping tank at 140 to 155 with the Lady Shredmore!!


Post# 877447 , Reply# 10   4/17/2016 at 13:48 (2,902 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Speed Queen Set!

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This is a awsome set - Best Of Luck with them!


Post# 877456 , Reply# 11   4/17/2016 at 15:03 (2,902 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

I finally took home a set, well, actually, I had a tough time deciding on whether to go FL or TL so I brought them both.

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Post# 877469 , Reply# 12   4/17/2016 at 18:02 (2,902 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
SQ offered a front loader with heater for a hot minute

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Back in their early days of re-entering the domestic market. That model didn't last long and they haven't bothered since. Something therefore must have come up that made Alliance decide the addition of an onboard heater either wasn't required and or caused more trouble than it was worth I shouldn't wonder.

Post# 877473 , Reply# 13   4/17/2016 at 18:43 (2,902 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I think I remember that vaguely

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But more trouble that it's worth? It's just a heating element, similar to what's been in dishwashers for years. It's not like it's some new technology or anything. I don't understand it. But that's just me.

Post# 877478 , Reply# 14   4/17/2016 at 19:51 (2,901 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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A beautiful set, Nick! You'll be glad you invested in the pedestals, which make loading/ unloading much easier. I really like the consoles on Speed Queen front-loaders. Looking forward to your review of them.

Post# 877492 , Reply# 15   4/17/2016 at 21:36 (2,901 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Am only guessing

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But perhaps since Alliance bases their "home style" domestic front loaders on the commercial Horizon design they didn't want the R&D and other costs by straying too far from that model. Do not think any of Alliance's SQ commercial washers offer internal heating elements. Connections for steam heating maybe....

My other guess is that SQ domestic washers historically have not gone too far off the commercial/laundromat course. They are designed and built to process laundry efficiently and quickly. Adding an internal water heater would increase cycle times if run off 120v power.

SQ's earlier front loaders that had heaters only offered "Boosted Hot", which took hot water and made it hotter. Cannot recall if anyone actually ran them as a cold fill....


Post# 877502 , Reply# 16   4/17/2016 at 23:20 (2,901 days old) by helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Congratulations!

You will not be disappointed. I have both the SQ FL and TL. I bought the FL as a midlife crisis curiosity toy, figuring I could resell it on eBay if I didn't like it, but much to my surprise I use the front loader most of the time now. It does as good a job as the TL, and in most cases it gets clothes cleaner, with the same or less wear compared to the TL. The detergent and water savings are unbelievable. It uses about 3 gallons of water per fill -- that's it. At least with a water softener -- one tablespoon of detergent is the most you need, and sometimes that is too much. Definitely use less than 1 T with Tide and Persil, which are both highly concentrated. With those detergents, enough to coat half the bottom of the detergent dispenser section is enough, and with other brands, pour until it just coats the whole bottom.

There is definitely a learning curve on loading and detergent dosing. If you over-suds a load, i.e., there is little to no audible noise of clothes slapping on the drum, then expect that they will not be clean and you will have to re-wash once you get all the suds rinsed out. Sometimes heavy towels and blankets pose a balancing problem, which is a pain, but based on you tube videos out there, other brands are the same or worse in that department. Just be patient and you'll get the hang of it.

It rinses well. It ramps a spin very slowly to avoid kicking up suds. It has another trick that might be unique to SQ FLs: after a spin, the pump stays on, the water comes on before the tub stops spinning, and it rinses the suds off the outer side of the wash basket and flushes the suds out of the outer tub before the pump stops and the tub fills. It makes a big difference in rinsing effectiveness.

Overall I am enthralled with mine and you will be too! The outstanding cleaning results, economy, gentleness on clothes, and quiet operation are amazing!


Post# 877550 , Reply# 17   4/18/2016 at 12:03 (2,901 days old) by mr_b ()        

Congratulations!!! You will enjoy the no fuss approach to washing and the reasonable wash times for a front loader. The dryer also works wonderfully. I have been washing with my SQFL and Dryer for just a year now and they have worked flawless.

I also realized that I didn't need much detergent and was amazed at just how little I needed. In addition, the amount of detergent and suds seem to be related to the type of clothes and water temperature and thus I now adjust my detergent dose accordingly. Hotter water seems to yield higher suds for the same amount detergent than in cold water. Larger loads of heavier fabric seem to yield less suds than lighter loads. Now I measure my detergent dose using a table spoon. Typically, 1-1/2 to 2 ounces is plenty of Tide detergent and for whites with bleach I get away with only using an ounce of detergent. One ounce = 2 tablespoons = 30 milliliters.


Post# 877613 , Reply# 18   4/18/2016 at 22:16 (2,900 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Congrats Nick and Katie.

A Great Matched Pair for a Great Matched Couple.

Happy Wash Dry and Fold. Enjoy.

Maybe they will come out with a line of Kitchen Appliances some day.


Post# 877669 , Reply# 19   4/19/2016 at 07:31 (2,900 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
New SQ Pair For The Newly Weds

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And when you consider that these could last over 50 years they may be the perfect purchase for a new couple.

 

Every day I am asked many times by customers what is the best new washer and I always answer a Speed Queen Front Load Washer first and work down from there to a SQ TL, WP built FL and even the higher end WP built TL machines, but NOTHING really can compare in overall life expectancy, easy to repair and great performance to these SQ FL washers.

 

Congratulations

 

John L.


Post# 877670 , Reply# 20   4/19/2016 at 07:32 (2,900 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        

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Post# 877681 , Reply# 21   4/19/2016 at 08:51 (2,900 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Dumb Question

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Is there a reason you would consider a SQ FL washer to be a level above the SQ TL washer in terms of longevity? Just wondering. I agree with your list as far as WP being next after SQ (excluding Miele). My Duet just turned 11 years old this month.

Post# 877684 , Reply# 22   4/19/2016 at 09:24 (2,900 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BEST OF LUCK to everyone with their new Speed Queen washers and dryers!!!
LOVE THE FRONT LOADER AND TOP LOADER!!!
I would have a hard time choosing as well!!!

Mike


Post# 877759 , Reply# 23   4/19/2016 at 17:01 (2,900 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
You can go to SQ/Alliance Website

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Where they offer a calculator to base the predicted lifespan of washer and compare with the previous unit.

For the record while SQ front loaders are very well built, the more loads you do per week or day will affect the lifespan. When I entered "four" loads per day as a test SQ came back that their current FL would only last between 5-10 years, IIRC.

Now do not know what SQ means by these predicted lifespans. That is does it mean the units will need major repairs that may exceed the cost of a new unit? In the commercial laundry world washers are rebuilt all the time with things such as bearings replaced as needed.


Post# 877777 , Reply# 24   4/19/2016 at 18:25 (2,900 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Not A Dumb Question

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Hi Mark, Commercial Quality FL Washers have always had a much longer life span than commercial versions of TL washers. A FL washer is just plain a lot simpler [ less than 1/4 the number of parts to wear out ] than an old school machine like a SQ or for that matter an OLD WP BD, A GE FF, or even a DC MT TLer.

 

It is also a whole lot easier to fix a SQ FL washer, even a bearing job is far easier to do than just a main seal and top bearing on a SQ TL Washer

 

I am also basing my claim on SQs own statements of longevity, when we trained on SQ Laundry appliances about 8 years ago the SQ trainers said that their FL machines had a design life of around 25,000 loads, SQ claims around 10,500 for their TL washers. [ And Miele claims around 10,000 for their washers, but you better have a separate bank account if you expect to keep a Miele washer running much past ten years to pay for parts and repairs ]

 

Overall in my appliance experiences over the last 50 years I have never seen a better built automatic washer built for home use and or one that would likely last longer than a current SQ FL washer.......... I can't even think of a wringer washer that would likely last as long.

 

John L.


Post# 877785 , Reply# 25   4/19/2016 at 20:03 (2,899 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
SQ longevity:

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I have run the numbers and a 25,000 load machine should last me a WHOPPING 48 YEARS DOING 10 LOADS PER WEEK! I will be buying a new washer when I am 85 years old according to Alliance.
If this was a coin metered version in a commercial laundromat doing21 loads per week it should STILL LAST 23 YEARS!
I AM FLOORED by the quality of this machine. I KNOW I made the right decision.
WK78


Post# 877799 , Reply# 26   4/19/2016 at 21:18 (2,899 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Yeabut

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In a commercial/laundromat that washer should be doing more than 21 loads per day. *LOL*

Cycle times on the SQ washers at our local are between 30 and 32 minutes. Place opens at 7AM and last wash is at 730PM. In a perfect world for any laundromat business their machines will turn at a steady constant clip. Otherwise the guy has machines that cost him money (and may be still if they are on credit) but not bringing in revenue.


A take on European washers: www.ellenmacarthurfoundation.org/...



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