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Thread Number: 65261
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| Post# 878720 4/27/2016 at 05:46 (2,918 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
I am now the very proud owner of a Keymatic 3224. I'm a very happy man !!
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| Post# 878721 , Reply# 1 4/27/2016 at 05:47 (2,918 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 878722 , Reply# 2 4/27/2016 at 05:48 (2,918 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Jan 1961
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| Post# 878724 , Reply# 3 4/27/2016 at 05:49 (2,918 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 878725 , Reply# 4 4/27/2016 at 05:58 (2,918 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Summer project
So this lovely machine is my new project.
I put a wanted ad up last year - and here we have it. I picked the machine up from a lovely lady in London who had been given the machine by a close friend 20 years ago. I am so pleased to own one of these lovely machines.
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| Post# 878726 , Reply# 5 4/27/2016 at 06:00 (2,918 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 878727 , Reply# 6 4/27/2016 at 06:01 (2,918 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 878730 , Reply# 7 4/27/2016 at 06:12 (2,918 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Door boot no more !
This must have perished years ago - what you can see is what is left.
I'm on the big hunt for a new one.
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| Post# 878739 , Reply# 8 4/27/2016 at 06:59 (2,918 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Switched on - there is power. The timer motor runs but nothing else happens.
And the work begins ! Any thoughts on what may be wrong would be much appreciated. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mikeymatic's LINK | ||
Post# 878745 , Reply# 9 4/27/2016 at 07:39 (2,918 days old) by warmsecondrinse  (Fort Lee, NJ) |
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Post# 878747 , Reply# 10 4/27/2016 at 07:42 (2,918 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Post# 878762 , Reply# 11 4/27/2016 at 09:18 (2,918 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 878772 , Reply# 12 4/27/2016 at 11:49 (2,918 days old) by Ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Hey congrats 
I'm sure you'll get lots of help here as I have with mine. One thing to check when unplugged
Is the starter switch in the motor is centrifugal make sure it doesn't jam on. Try a small screwdriver in the end and move contacts back and forth. Also spin the pump fan to ensure its not seized. The machine should clickety click it's way along the timeline if spin only is selected on the key plate before it trys to spin. Im not sure what you know about these machines or how they work. Tell me more about how you got it ! Well done Richard | ||
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Post# 878795 , Reply# 14 4/27/2016 at 15:07 (2,918 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hoover Keymatic 3224
Hi Mike, welcome to the "Keymatic Club" much fun and anxst at the same time, you have a very interesting machine, the serial number of 13,930 suggests a very early production run making it February 1961 yet the fascia and outer cabinet is saying something very much different, have never see a blue inset fascia with embossed stamping on this range (similar to the Aus versions) and only turquoise outer cabinets on this early range.
To start the washer you need to insert keyplate, switch on rocker switch then push in the keyplate and hold for a sec until the timer starts to whirr and the timeline indicator starts to move (pray it will) - then take ya thumb off the keyplate so releasing it to normal position. I couldnt quite tell if the plate was fully engaged to start from the video.. Here is the pic of mine with same style as Richards, Mathews, Ian`s and Johns. The boots are NLA and scarce, perhaps its about time we costed a moulding process for us all and split the costs ? CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK
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| Post# 878931 , Reply# 16 4/28/2016 at 16:06 (2,917 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Thanks for your messages - really appreciate them.
I'm still a bit in shock that I own a Keymatic. I know a fair bit about how they operate but I've never worked on one - so taking it slowly with things. I've stripped and overhauled a couple of Hoover Logics - but this is a very different machine. I've taken the bezel off. Next is the centre shell to have a good look at the inside. The motor turns OK by gently moving it by hand, and the pump fan moves freely. I switched the rocker switch on and the whirring sound started before I had pressed the keyplate in - it appears to be coming from the keyplate area. Pressing the keyplate did nothing, neither did removing it. There is none of the familiar Keymatic clickety-click, and the timeline indicator didn't move. Richard - I will check the motor switch as you suggested. I'm hoping things become a bit clearer once I have the shell off a get a good look at things. I had put a wanted ad on the Internet last year - and after a few months stopped checking if there had been any response. At the beginning of this month I checked my ad again and noticed someone had sent me a message. After a few emails we sorted out a plan and I picked the machine up on Tuesday. The lady I got it from loved the machine, and had been given it by a close friend 20 years ago, just before he passed away. He lived in London but also had a place in Arran. The lady had stored it for the last 20 years. She did not know if it worked, and was now keen for it to go to someone who would appreciate it. The machine has been painted as there are brush strokes on the top and sides - explains the lack of turquoise. Mike - 'Keymatic Club' Brilliant ! Door boot - I'd be very happy to be involved in splitting costs to get some made. I'll keep you posted with my progress. Thanks again for your messages :-) Mike. | ||
| Post# 878932 , Reply# 17 4/28/2016 at 16:19 (2,917 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Post# 878938 , Reply# 18 4/28/2016 at 17:36 (2,917 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hoover Keymatic 3224
Glad you are getting stuck in Mike, do you have the service manual ?
Ah, the turquoise is painted, so is the inside still turquoise or has it been sprayed in and out ? But doesnt answer the different bezel !! Anyone any ideas? Nowthen, after looking at the pics again I would suggest before plugging it in again you check the wiring and loom, the back pic shows your wiring coming around the back frame strut LHS, it should all be tucked away on the inside which could suggest it has had a new later wiring loom and wires not been placed back - or wires have been disconnected because of issues, hence the non starter. Carry on the good work !!
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| Post# 878943 , Reply# 19 4/28/2016 at 18:19 (2,917 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 878944 , Reply# 20 4/28/2016 at 18:19 (2,917 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 878946 , Reply# 21 4/28/2016 at 18:22 (2,917 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 878949 , Reply# 22 4/28/2016 at 19:02 (2,917 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Switch on
Power switched on but no programme starting when keyplate pressed in.
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| Post# 878999 , Reply# 23 4/29/2016 at 08:39 (2,916 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Bottom Distribution Block
Wires wiped so the colours are visible.
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| Post# 879000 , Reply# 24 4/29/2016 at 08:40 (2,916 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Top Distribution Block
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| Post# 879002 , Reply# 25 4/29/2016 at 09:07 (2,916 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Programme switch
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Post# 879016 , Reply# 26 4/29/2016 at 13:21 (2,916 days old) by Ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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What program?
Hi what program did you select. If it was any that started with a full that maybe the correct thing to do. Normally if program selected and keyplate removed then it clicks to end tumbling and spinning and pumping for a second or two each time it passes the right points. Have you tried the spin only program ?
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| Post# 879021 , Reply# 28 4/29/2016 at 14:09 (2,916 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Programme
Hi Richard.
Tried Spin Only, Mnimum Iron and Whites. It seems as though the timer has already started when you switch the 'on' switch on, before even pressing the keyplate in. It's just whirring and not progressing through any programme, even after pressing in the keyplate. I've checked the wiring against the service manual and it seems OK. Will have a think about what my next steps will be. Mike. | ||
| Post# 879022 , Reply# 29 4/29/2016 at 14:15 (2,916 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Post# 879026 , Reply# 30 4/29/2016 at 14:45 (2,916 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Wiring Loom
Great to see the insides mike and yes years of grime on those wires and all that color revealed. It has had a new timer and wiring loom update at some point. The original timer for this early production number was an AU TYPE, and had 2 wiring loom changes, yours is an AT Timer which is a 4th version timer with a 3rd version wiring loom, the book says this wiring loom is to be "Re-Routed down the LHS Rear Frame Member" so there we have it.
Am building a spreadsheet of our 3224 models showing production numbers, original timers & harnesses and what we have now if upgraded. !! All in all the 3224 series had 4 different timers as upgrades with 5 wiring loom upgrades as well. Ian, I hadnt noticed the loom on yours , just found this info whilst searching for something else...interesting that both yours are doing the same cycling, I wonder if you have to start the water valves, heater, motor pump initially to cycle the timer, dunno thinking aloud. That bezel is bugging me cos all the first pics and advertising show the black on red fascia?? a mystery indeed !! | ||
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Post# 879029 , Reply# 31 4/29/2016 at 15:46 (2,916 days old) by Ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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| Post# 879035 , Reply# 32 4/29/2016 at 16:35 (2,916 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Wiring loom
Mike - thanks for working that out - it would have taken me ages ( if at all ! ) I'll re-check the wiring tomorrow - my head is buzzing with wires & positions !
Let me know if you need any info. for your spreadsheet. Richard - I let it run for about 30 secs. I'll give it another go tomorrow and run it for longer. I have a feeling it's something small preventing it from starting the programme. Thanks for your messages guys. Mike. | ||
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Post# 879096 , Reply# 33 4/30/2016 at 05:29 (2,915 days old) by Ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Just looking
Just looking at pictures it seems the time line has moved all be it back wards or through a full cycle the indicator line looks closer to start in video than in pic 1. I think from the sound it could be s stuck solenoid in the timer box. Perhaps you could open up and see if it needs freeing ? It could just be the camera picking up noise.
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| Post# 879099 , Reply# 34 4/30/2016 at 06:51 (2,915 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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| Post# 879185 , Reply# 37 5/1/2016 at 06:42 (2,914 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Timer
Thanks for taking the time to respond and for the vital information that I need.
The timer case was luckily nut and bolted together so it's now apart. The timer increment has stopped at number 21. Mat - Where would I put the drops of oil in ? The machine had also sprung to life and the pump motor is working ! Mike. | ||
| Post# 879188 , Reply# 38 5/1/2016 at 06:56 (2,914 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Back to Life !!
And the machine has fully sprung to life and advanced through to the end !!! The timer clicked past whatever it was sticking on.
Split seconds of action, as I would expect, by the pump turning on and the drum turning !!!! Very happy :-) !!!! Thanks for all the tips so far. Contemplating my next steps. Any advice greatly appreciated. Happy Mikey ! | ||
| Post# 879190 , Reply# 40 5/1/2016 at 07:32 (2,914 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Thanks
Yes Mat it's returned to 0.
I put it on spin dry, it advanced through, it tumbled, went on to spin smoothly for about 5 seconds then advanced again. It then only did short intermittent tumbles which it seems to struggle on. I'm just so pleased it's come to life. I'll put some oil in, and get the timer back together in the meantime. Cheers, Mike. | ||
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Post# 879193 , Reply# 41 5/1/2016 at 08:28 (2,914 days old) by Ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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That's great | ||
| Post# 879212 , Reply# 43 5/1/2016 at 13:29 (2,914 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Spin Dry
Here's a video of the Spin Dry programme.
Clicks through to spin for 15 secs after the 2nd rinse, then clicks through to Spin Dry at the end - although it doesn't spin for long. I've cut the video short - it tried to spin for approxiamtely 3mins - stopping and starting as shown I the video - before completing the programme. Work in progress. I'm really pleased it's come to life. Mike. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mikeymatic's LINK | ||
| Post# 879213 , Reply# 44 5/1/2016 at 13:44 (2,914 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Richard / James
Richard -
Look forward to hearing about your updates. James - Thank you. I'm really pleased I've got the machine to work. I've no experience with timers either - it's the invaluable information I've been given on here from those in the know, that has helped me get things going. It is brilliant that a machine left for 20 years can spring into life. There is a lot more work to be done, but it's been a great start. Cheers, Mike. | ||
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Post# 879214 , Reply# 45 5/1/2016 at 13:48 (2,914 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hoover Keymatic 3224
Glad you got it working Mike, saves searching through the contact / cam fault pages ha ha work in progress indeed. The spin pulsing would appear to be the timer / cam / impulse contact not sequencing cleanly to the next contact / impulse position - check the little switches (up / down contacts ) in the card reader - also the drum stops pretty quickly, is the drum stiff ? or easy to spin by hand ?
Keep up the great work, fascinating washers !! | ||
| Post# 879215 , Reply# 46 5/1/2016 at 14:04 (2,914 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Post# 879216 , Reply# 47 5/1/2016 at 14:13 (2,914 days old) by Ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Great
That's great. It does seem to be struggling on the tumble and spin , I wonder if that's why it's stops and starts 3 times its perhaps the motor over heating etc. Does it feel warm ? The motor has a gearbox at one end it may need more grease. This may sound daft and obvious have you made sure the brake pad isn't touching the metal ring with the door open ? Not wanting to sound like I'm teaching you to suck eggs !
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| Post# 879296 , Reply# 49 5/2/2016 at 05:35 (2,913 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Every day is a school day !!
Yes the brake was on - hence the struggle to tumble and spin. I'm learning every day !
It's just done a Spin Dry, with the door shut, and spun for the whole 3 mins then free wheeled to a stop. Brilliant !! Please feel free to state the obvious - as shown here it's a big learn for me. Thanks again guys. Mike. | ||
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Post# 879299 , Reply# 50 5/2/2016 at 06:03 (2,913 days old) by Ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Well sometimes it the simple things we miss. The good thing is it means there isn't much wrong with motor or pulleys etc. Your next challenge is the rubber. It's likely to need new pressure hoses and fill hoses from valves to the tall fill pipe. And the drain hose from tub to pump is a complicated thing sadly obsolete too. I'm going to post a product recommended here called glycerin we rubbed it all over the stiffened pipes on mine and it's made a huge difference already to its suppleness!
Once they break it's a complicated job to rebuild a new one ! And of course the door seal !! I've got a good one but again would chip in Wouldn't it be good to get all the keymatics together. It seems we may get one full wash out of them if one did each bit lol Richard | ||
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Post# 879311 , Reply# 51 5/2/2016 at 08:47 (2,913 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 879451 , Reply# 52 5/3/2016 at 08:29 (2,912 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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hoover keymatic
Glad to see another problem solved Mike those clothes pegs take a lot of strain and the brake works on a tiny clearance. And great to see the inside of the timer I wonder given the low serial number if the timer wiring loom and keyplate have all benefitted from an upgrade ? As it appears all are later parts ?
Hello Louis, great to heard you keymatic lives on in another fab restoration project !! | ||
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Post# 879452 , Reply# 53 5/3/2016 at 08:30 (2,912 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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hoover keymatic
Glad to see another problem solved Mike those clothes pegs take a lot of strain and the brake works on a tiny clearance. And great to see the inside of the timer I wonder given the low serial number if the timer wiring loom and keyplate have all benefitted from an upgrade ? As it appears all are later parts ?
Hello Louis, great to heard you keymatic lives on in another fab restoration project !! | ||
| Post# 882773 , Reply# 54 5/30/2016 at 05:18 (2,885 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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Door boot
So ... Does anyone have any thoughts about how we can get a door boot made ?
I've been scouring the UK but had no joy - just missed out on one from a shop in Edinburgh so there is the odd part out there. Richard - been spraying the pipes with Son of a Gun. Yes there are a couple of fully perished ones that will need replacing. | ||
| Post# 883598 , Reply# 56 6/5/2016 at 16:35 (2,879 days old) by mikeymatic (Manchester UK) | ||
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