Thread Number: 65382
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HELP Speed Queen Wringer |
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Post# 879915   5/7/2016 at 20:18 (2,904 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Post# 879927 , Reply# 1   5/7/2016 at 21:39 (2,903 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 879928 , Reply# 2   5/7/2016 at 21:47 (2,903 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Post# 879963 , Reply# 3   5/8/2016 at 09:21 (2,903 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois)   |   | |
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Chris, The knob only turns clockwise to start and counterclockwise to stop agitation. check to see what it is doing under the machine and then go from there. Gary |
Post# 879978 , Reply# 4   5/8/2016 at 12:22 (2,903 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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I turned the knob, it clicks, but nothing seems to engage the washer agitator, im really bummed, I dont really know much about these to fix it, I might call sears repairman to come look at it, if I cannot figure it out, I checked the belts and the motor, everything is spinning and the belts are tight. its show room new under the hood, Im at a loss,,
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Post# 879979 , Reply# 5   5/8/2016 at 12:44 (2,903 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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This is just a thought, but maybe if the machine has been sitting for several years unused the the grease has become hardened and is preventing the agitator from turning. I recall in a previous posts by Hippiedoll and others that filling the tub with very hot water, (hotter than your water heater) and allowing the water to stay in the tub for a few hours the grease will liquify and allow the gears and agitator to move. This may work since you say everything else looks OK. Does the motor sound like its straining when you turn it on? If so, this may solve your problem. Good luck!
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Post# 879985 , Reply# 6   5/8/2016 at 13:41 (2,903 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Post# 879991 , Reply# 7   5/8/2016 at 14:22 (2,903 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Hi Christpher,
I doubt that a Sears tech will be able to help you on this. I would look in the yellow pages for an independent appliance repair shop that has been in business for a long time. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to find a tech that has been doing appliance repair for a long time and has some knowledge of wringer washers. Call a few and see if you can speak with a tech and explain whats going on. You should be able to get a sense if they have an understanding of what your problem is. You might also what to try searching You Tube, you may be lucky to find just the answer your looking for. Eddie |
Post# 880013 , Reply# 9   5/8/2016 at 17:24 (2,903 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Hi Gary,
Yeah it does have a pump, its never been used, The person I bought it from had it in her basement and never used it, it still has the stickers on it. THe agitator spins when I turn it, it just wont engage when the machine is running, all the wringers ive had in the past, when the lever is engaged when the machine is unplugged the agitator doesnt turn, until you turn it off or plug it in. This one just spins around, its so frustrating, the motor runs quiet and the pump works, the wringers are rolling, just cannot seem to turn on the agitator.. I have never worked on a wringer, im so lost when looking under her, its showroom new and shiny though.. Really hope to find someone to come look at it with me, or might have to choke up the shipping cost and amount I paid for it, and send it to the KIA factory, :( Thanks for everyones, help, and if you know anyone in Orlando area, send them my way... |
Post# 880017 , Reply# 10   5/8/2016 at 17:45 (2,903 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Why would you want to pay dear money for a service technician (if you can find one), when it is possible to download an actual service manual from this site for little money is beyond me.
Even if the manuals listed above do not mention your particular model SQ wringers didn't change much until their end of production. Service manuals even if not of an exact model can often be close enough to point one in the right direction. It surely is better than playing a guessing game. But it is your affair so have at it. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK |
Post# 880018 , Reply# 11   5/8/2016 at 17:55 (2,903 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Post# 880166 , Reply# 12   5/10/2016 at 08:21 (2,901 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 880189 , Reply# 13   5/10/2016 at 11:02 (2,901 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Hi Launderess,
Nope nothing has worked I printed the manual, went over it, the undercarriage is really new and clean, I cannot figure it out. I remmeber my grandmothers wringer agitator would not move if it was in the ON position when unplugged, this one just spins around no matter what. I left it in the hot sun to warm up the grease too. It like the gears are not catching or something to make it engage to wash. I was hoping someone who knew about these was around Orlando to come look at it.. Ive emailed a few old time appliance stores, they said they would keep an eye out for someone who might work on them. I will take some pics of hte underside and the switch, maybe that might help ? Chris |
Post# 880197 , Reply# 14   5/10/2016 at 11:44 (2,901 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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I'm no expert, but I have been thinking that this is transmission problem. Could the connection from the motor to the transmission somehow become uncoupled during transit? Since you have the manuals maybe you can see if it would be possible to open up the area where the transmission connection is and take a look. Might be something simple like a cotter pin that fell out, but this is just a guess. I agree with Laundress, you must be disappointed that your new toy doesn't work. Good Luck!
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Post# 880217 , Reply# 16   5/10/2016 at 14:03 (2,901 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Thank you Everyone for all the help,
I Just had a Speed Queen repair man come to the house to look at it, He said the gear box transmission needs to be replaced, he spent about 30 min looking it over. They searched for one for me but to no avail, the good thing is he did'nt charge me for the house call. The bad news it cost me 300 to buy this broke machine then 300 to ship it to Orlando.. The seller will be getting an nasty gram from me, for selling a perfect working wringer washer that does not work. I am very grateful for all your help.. The search continues for a mint condition Wringer washer... |
Post# 880218 , Reply# 17   5/10/2016 at 14:20 (2,901 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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How does the transmission gear box on a new, never used Speed Queen wringer washer need to be replaced? It should take years of use for this to wear out to point of needing replacement. Either the seller was lying or the speed Queen tech is bargaining that you don't know enough to question his diagnosis. Did the machine show any signs of having been used? If not I question that the transmission needs replacement. I tend to think that alr2903 in reply #15 may be on the right track and I would recommend giving his suggestion a try, you've got nothing to lose.
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Post# 880221 , Reply# 18   5/10/2016 at 14:41 (2,901 days old) by Laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Post# 880222 , Reply# 19   5/10/2016 at 14:48 (2,901 days old) by Laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Post# 880227 , Reply# 22   5/10/2016 at 15:55 (2,901 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Post# 880229 , Reply# 23   5/10/2016 at 16:24 (2,901 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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I would report the seller to ebay, I'm pretty sure that they would frown upon her luring you in using ebay's website, then arranging to make the sale off of ebay, thereby screwing ebay out of their cut, while she used their site free. This will get her ass in a sling. In fact, look on ebay for their rules. If this kind of seller activity is verboten, look at what her number of sales are and what her feedback rating is. If she is a high volume seller with a high feedback rating I would try contacting her and explain what you ended up with and what ebay's rules are. Then tell her that if she refunds your money you won't report her, if not report her to ebay. You likely won't get your $ back unless she chooses to do the right thing, but you'll have the satisfaction that she may be stopped from future fraudulant activity, And NEVER do business with an ebay seller again that asks you to complete the sale outside of ebay!
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Post# 880231 , Reply# 24   5/10/2016 at 18:04 (2,901 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Know what it is like to have something arrive and *not* work as stated.
A few things: Since eBay (was forced) spun off PayPal things are pretty much back to where they were when eBay first began payment wise. Sellers are free to choose PayPal, eBay's CC system or back to checks and or money orders. Personally I still use PayPal for all the built in protections, and recommend everyone else do as well. Not to sure about eBay's CC system security but so far PP has been rock solid, so why mess with a winning formula? Laundryboy... By all means contact the seller and explain the situation. If it does turn out that the machine is DOA he or she may do the proper thing refund wise. Am not doubting the SQ repairman's word, but I too wonder how a transmission/gear box on a virturaly new machine can need replacement. If SQ wringers are out there from the 1930's, 1940's, and so froth still operational after heavy use how can a relatively late model unit that has seen little or no use need a new tranny? Unless someone messed with the unit and did something they shouldn't. Have been considering getting a wringer, but while have seen many interesting units out there from a spares wise point of view Maytag seems the only logical choice. Landryboy try contacting Modern Parts out in Parma, OH and see what there is: modernpartshouse.com/appliance-pa... |
Post# 880233 , Reply# 25   5/10/2016 at 18:30 (2,901 days old) by Laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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I contacted the seller and she said I stole the wringer from
Her at a steal for $300. She said not to contact her again or harass her unless i return the machine to her. She said she reported me to eBay prior to the sale for not being a high eBay buyer. She thought I was a fraud for wanting the machine. She said in her ad it was in excellent condition and working when they picked it up. Which isn't the truth now. I am going to file a complaint against her via eBay. Even though she said to cxl the eBay transaction and pay her off the site. The washer wringers turn greet. So I might have to find a weekend to take off the bottom and see if I can work on it. I've never worked on one before. Bummed out. |
Post# 880238 , Reply# 26   5/10/2016 at 19:30 (2,901 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Christopher-I knew I smelled a rat here! I'm glad you reported her. I hope you kept any email that you may have from her regarding this "steal". Any documentation that you have will help. I didn't mean to be a downer in my previous post. I too know how disappointing it can be to have something not work when you receive it. I also know that being taken advantage of doesn't feel too hot either. Anyway, I sure hope that you can at least get the wringer washer to work. That would be the best outcome.
Good luck. Eddie |
Post# 880240 , Reply# 27   5/10/2016 at 19:39 (2,901 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Never take an eBay transaction off line as it were.
Always where possible unless going to physically collect an appliance yourself (and thus can check condition and operability) pay with anything else than PayPal or credit card. I saw both the eBay and CL listing from that seller for those wringer washers (IIRC she had two) and didn't think it passed the smell test. They obviously weren't "new" as in in box and thus you cannot be sure. Most sellers slap "new" onto anything that looks remotely like it regardless. When you have the time get out your copy of the service manual, some tools and take a look "under the bonnet" as it were. Study the diagrams to see how things should work and then see if you can figure out what isn't happening. You might also want to contact Lehman's: www.lehmans.com/p-3046-ho... They were selling the Saudi Arabia version of SQ wringers (production has now ceased), but apparently they are a source of spares and repair information. When you consider how much the Amish love wringer washers, am willing to bet they may be able to offer some advice. |
Post# 880249 , Reply# 28   5/10/2016 at 22:13 (2,900 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Could be wrong and certainly am not an expert but IIRC with SQ wringers you take the tub up and out (after removing the wringer head) to service.
With the tub out of way it will be easy to see what is or is not happening as in relation to the agitator. www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... |
Post# 880267 , Reply# 30   5/11/2016 at 03:29 (2,900 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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I think the seller is bluffing you when she said she's reported you to ebay. She is the one who has gone outside of ebay rules by inducing you to cancel the ebay sale, refunding your paypal pymt. (if that's how you originally paid) and then completing a private sale with you outside of ebay. This way she makes more as she doesn't pay ebay any commission on the sale. I don't think she would want ebay to know this. I believe that ebay might ban her from future sales for this. I totally agree with Allen in reply #28, but I would still report her to ebay, if for no other reason than to prevent her from taking advantage of anyone else. From the sound of her attitude she is likely an old hand at this kind of subterfuge.
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Post# 880389 , Reply# 32   5/11/2016 at 19:43 (2,900 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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If OP had stuck with sending money via PayPal things might be different; as he could either get them involved and or file a dispute with his CC for a charge-back.
However several points arise. First seller listed the unit as being sold "As Is", though did claimed it "worked". As is translates into you better be darn sure whatever you are getting is what you want and does what it is supposed to; otherwise you are SOL. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Speed-Qu... My guess is the seller didn't want to pay PayPal's fees and or had problems with them thus wanted all her money and found it easier to get it via check. During the run up and afterwards to eBay and PayPal splitting lots of strange things were happening. For instance having sold various things on and off eBay and never having a problem accepting PalPal. Then all of a sudden PP was placing holds on funds sent to pay for winning bids *and* requiring me to give them all sorts of personal and banking information. They claimed it was needed to verify myself/account and wouldn't release funds until had done so. They were also placing further holds for "X" amount of days post sale to allow for transit and receipt of goods sold. Along with presumably time for buyer to file a complaint if anything was wrong. You found many complaints about this on both eBay's internal forums and elsewhere. Again with $300 or so clams on the table seller may have had reasons for circumventing PP and going for cash/check. Why else would she refund money and ask for him to send payment via mail? PP is vastly more secure than a check which can be stopped or whatever. Seller seems to have a decent enough feedback record (over 600 positive with nearly nil recent negative), so will give benefit of the doubt she wasn't truly out to screw someone over. Buying anything online sight unseen is a crap shoot. Vintage appliances more so because, well you know... Fact of the matter is few sellers truly know what they've got. This can work out to our benefit as I myself have acquired some great deals (the AEG set for a start) from people who were clueless. The downside of course is if they don't know how something is supposed to operate they cannot vouch for it being completely functional. Chris, I feel your pain and have been there and done that. From a mangle that arrived from Germany in bits (major shipping damage), to a Whirlpool portable with a major leak, to the Mobile Maid dw with several issues; have had my share of appliance gyp. Am getting ready to strip down a Frigidaire ironer that one paid good money to ship and barely used but is now suffering from stripped gears. By all means hound this seller to do right by you; but OTOH look at the glass as half full. You do have what appears to be a good looking wringer washer. Am in the camp that does not believe it needs a new gear box/trannie. If SQ washers out there decades older than yours *and* were used heavily are still running, that machine unless someone did something to it should be fine. |
Post# 880786 , Reply# 33   5/14/2016 at 17:14 (2,897 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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I have removed the wringer, trying to remove the tub to see whats going on underneath, THe drain was (is) full of sand, I removed all the bolts holding the Agitator shaft in, but cannot get it to come out, It is a work in Progress, the seller told me never to contact her again, that the machine was in excellent working condition when it was picked up, I beg to differ.. But anyways, I will work hard to get it working, A huge thank you to everyone here for lending me support and kind words. I will post pics of the maiden wash, and if anyone is around Orlando (Winter Park) feel free to stop by, a second set of eyes is always better...
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Post# 880814 , Reply# 34   5/14/2016 at 20:05 (2,897 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 880820 , Reply# 35   5/14/2016 at 21:06 (2,897 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Post# 880821 , Reply# 36   5/14/2016 at 21:08 (2,897 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Post# 880828 , Reply# 37   5/14/2016 at 21:49 (2,896 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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But sounds to me like something is wrong with the clutch.
"To control the clutch it is desirable that some means be provided to be readily accessible to the operator and with this in mind a clutch shift lever 42 is pivoted at 43 in suitable bearings 44 on the cross bar or member 11 so that the forked end 45 thereof embraces the clutch sleeve 41, bearing lugs 46 being provided to fit within the groove 47 of the clutch sleeve. This clutch shifting lever 42 can be moved to the two extreme positions illustrated by the full and dotted lines illustrated in Fig. 2 and will throw the clutch in or will throw the clutch out, as'desired. To permit manual operation and setting of the clutch I provide a clutch shifting rod 4'] slidably mounted in one of the legs 2 and a clutch shifting handle 48 on this rod 47 is disposed to be readily accessible from the outside of the encasing structure 49 which is ordinarily used to enclose the tub or container 1. A fork 50 on clutch shifting lever 42 is received around clutch shifting rod 47 and springs 51 and 52 are provided on opposite sides to stabilize the clutch shifting lever as rod 4'7 is adjusted. To hold adjustments of the clutch shifting rod 4'1,- an arrangement as illustrated in Fig. 10 may be used, and as here shown the handle 48 extends through aslot 53 I and the rod may be engaged in notches 54 and 55 at its two extremes of movement. Any other approved structure might be employed to operate the clutch shifting lever and retain adjustments of the same. In the use of my improved mechanism the motor 10 will constantly drive shaft 29 and consequently drive gear 2'7 will be continuously rotated, a direct connection being accomplished vto wringer shaft 36 through gear 35. As the drive gear 27 is rotated, pitman rod 38 will be constantly actuated through its eccentric mounting between the two extremes of movement as illustrated in Figs. 5 and 6, and arcuated rocking lever 18 will be correspondingly rocked. This will cause the two links to be alternately wound and unwound around the stub shaft 13 as a center, in consequence of which the bifurcated arm 22 will be swung to oscillate driven member 14 through greater than 180 degrees of movement, the actual movement thus attainable with efficiency being substantially an oscillatory movement of 220 degrees or better. As the links 18 and 24 alternately wind and unwind around the stub shaft 13 there will be no interference of any part with another part and in consequence a smooth, even, oscillatory movement will be imparted to member 14 continuously-during operation of the rotating gear or member 27. Through manipulation of the clutch sleeve 41, the agitator shaft 4 can be readily connected and disconnected at the will of the operator. With thisconstruction and arrangement of the parts, the mechanism is extremely simple and inexpensive to manufacture and assemble, there being no special crank shafts, racks, or gears associated with the agitator shaft, and as all of the parts can be cast and finished according to ordinary manufacturing processes, a much simpler and cheaper structure is obtained than where racks, gears, segments and the like are required. Further, as cylindrical bearings and corresponding openings can be finished and fitted with extreme accuracy, 9. very smooth running and quiet operation mechanism is provided. " www.google.com/patents/US1964440... With the control knob set to "On" see if you can nudge the gear into place. SQ had a lifetime warranty on their wringer washer transmissions and about the same on the clutch system. Both were tested under stress and designed to last lifetime of the machine. Thus it would seem odd a fairly low use machine like yours would have stripped gears or whatever. Am still guessing something was knocked lose or is gummed up. |
Post# 880830 , Reply# 38   5/14/2016 at 22:02 (2,896 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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I think something is going haywire with the switch and clutch operation,
When the tub is out the clutch operates fully extended nad the switch doesnt turn all the way around, but when I re installed the tub it doesnt lift all the way up to engage it, and the switch just spins around. Its almost like the clutch isnt letting it engage to operate when the tub is installed. I will tackle it more tomorrow afternoon.. Thank you a million times over again for all your help, I owe you big time,,, Chris |
Post# 880835 , Reply# 39   5/14/2016 at 23:37 (2,896 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Wonder if you pull the tub and rotate it, and place back in, then check switch.. Keep rotating..
Somethings binding up the switch when the tub is in. Almost like something is out of round? Or switch needs to be on one position or another when the tub is being dropped in? Can't possibly be a worn transmission! |
Post# 880862 , Reply# 40   5/15/2016 at 09:16 (2,896 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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I am going to pull the tub again today and try everything, Hopefully something will work, the gears turn great when its plugged in without the tub, the arming lever lifts up high, but as soon as the tub is back in, the on-off switch doenst seem to engage fully, Thanks everyone for all the advice and help, she will be running soon, just like the ad said, lol....
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Post# 880928 , Reply# 43   5/15/2016 at 17:42 (2,896 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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YW.
That is the original patent design for washers made by Borg Seelig. Do not know if any changes were made over the years including the later models such as Laundryboy has now. Both Maytag and Speed Queen seems to have put great effort into refining the art and making their conventional washers built to last. Probably explains why there are so many still lying about. |
Post# 881234 , Reply# 44   5/17/2016 at 17:48 (2,894 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Post# 881242 , Reply# 45   5/17/2016 at 18:45 (2,894 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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As mentioned previously for some reason pumps do tend to be a weak point for these later model SQ wringers.
As for the leaking, again the archives are your friend: www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... |
Post# 881265 , Reply# 46   5/18/2016 at 00:30 (2,893 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 881333 , Reply# 47   5/18/2016 at 14:19 (2,893 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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I did the same as in the post, went to Autozone got the Cork-Rubber, traced the original gaskets made new ones, use the hole punch for the holes, replaced them. It was a pain to get the tub to line up with the holes, almost need 2 people to get it done. I took off some of the gears off the bottom of the agitator shaft, placed it onto the gears on the tranny, then it began to agitate, although the switch doesnt turn it off, it just keeps agitatin when its plugged in. I have to remove the pump now, it doesnt seem to work. I put a little water in the tub after I got it all back together and it leaked like a siv. I think I might have to redo the gaskets, and really tighten the bolts down more. the water just pours right out.
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Post# 881667 , Reply# 48   5/21/2016 at 13:16 (2,890 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Post# 881687 , Reply# 49   5/21/2016 at 19:32 (2,890 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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Post# 881767 , Reply# 51   5/22/2016 at 20:07 (2,889 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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I should have said the agitation switch, not the on off switch, Everything works like its suppose to now, tomorow will be the maiden wash with a tub full of hot water...
ps I replaced the agitator with my Kenmore one, if anyone has a Kenmore agitator top they would like to sell, the one that is black, small, looks like it has dimples around the outside, please let me know.. Chris |
Post# 881776 , Reply# 52   5/22/2016 at 21:13 (2,888 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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I knew what you meant at least about the "switch". Don't think any wringer washers came with an "off" and "on" switch. Just various switches to engage the agitator and or pump (if there was one).
Mice in the pump? Eeeeeeeeeeeeehttp://www. Thank goodness wringer washers are solid tub, so you just have to wash the thing out with hot water and perhaps a light disinfectant if you are that worried about germs. I like to do something to machines when received, well because you don't know where they've been do you? |
Post# 881788 , Reply# 53   5/23/2016 at 02:11 (2,888 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)   |   | |
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Post# 881805 , Reply# 54   5/23/2016 at 11:35 (2,888 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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So I did a first wash of towels, it was working great, then the agitator switch stopped working again. but the agitator keeps running. So I had to wring the towels out with the agitator running. I think the bearing came out of the lifting mech to make it stop when turned off. I did take some pics, let me try to upload them..
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Post# 881806 , Reply# 55   5/23/2016 at 11:38 (2,888 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. )   |   | |
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