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Thread Number: 65468
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| Post# 880637 , Reply# 2 5/13/2016 at 17:45 (2,901 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
Interesting. I'm amazed at how much has changed with washers in just the last few years. Manufacturers are keeping up with gov't regs but then keep tweaking everything LOL. It seems as with each revision machines are getting back to more of what they "used" to be in terms of what consumers are accustomed to. This washer is pretty basic, but thorough. Only 3 cycles basically...just like the old day! haha.
This is def an improvement but I still like GE's idea of being able to add water incrementally to any cycle or fill completely. Nice to see the dual action agitator back though! This post was last edited 05/13/2016 at 18:01 | ||
Post# 880681 , Reply# 4 5/13/2016 at 22:52 (2,901 days old) by Kenmoreguy64  (Charlotte, NC) |
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I saw this model recently at H H Gregg
And was stunned to see a return to a real agitator. I noticed a new Kenmore model similar as well at the Sears outlet here.
I recently treated myself to a new Kenmore dryer and while familiarizing myself with the KM line, their prices, and other WP products, I studied current washers too. Until I saw the new agitator WP and KM washers, the only things related to old school were GE and Hotpoint low end machines (besides Speed Queen of course). I concluded most new top load washers are not for me besides SQ. I am intrigued by the new Whirlpool model though. Love the white porcelain basket. I think the reason why these are back is simple...look at consumer reviews of recent models with the agipeller. They seem to be the machines people love to hate. Of course one of the top offenders in the Whirlpool arena seems to be the lid lock, and that has to remain. It will be interesting to see what happens to these models in the next year as to whether they expand in availability or go away again. Gordon | ||
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Post# 880694 , Reply# 5 5/14/2016 at 03:27 (2,901 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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The model posted above only locks for spin, and otherwise just stops... | ||
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Post# 880697 , Reply# 6 5/14/2016 at 05:05 (2,901 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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maytag line I wonder what will become of the maytag line. | ||
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Post# 880699 , Reply# 7 5/14/2016 at 06:19 (2,901 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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So far, I can only see cosmetic upgrades in Maytag's line.
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| Post# 880700 , Reply# 8 5/14/2016 at 06:20 (2,901 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Wow! | ||
| Post# 880722 , Reply# 9 5/14/2016 at 09:44 (2,900 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Yes WOW! as if bling makes it go! | ||
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Post# 880725 , Reply# 10 5/14/2016 at 10:27 (2,900 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Tempted | ||
| Post# 880740 , Reply# 12 5/14/2016 at 12:37 (2,900 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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I agree on the quality. WP's stuff is pretty solid I have to admit. My Kenmore was built very well. Though my Hydrowave wasn't bad either, but you can tell the difference. These new machines by GE seem better though. The knobs felt very solid. The new WP that just came out does give a little more flexibility...at least the ability to use deep fill on any cycle instead of it being a dedicated cycle or bulky cycle. But GE still has the upper hand with the incremental water adding. I could totally see myself letting the machine pick the size then determining if it needs just a wee bit more (or a lot!). Very user friendly.
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| Post# 880764 , Reply# 13 5/14/2016 at 14:53 (2,900 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Lid locks are here because of high spin speeds. Safety first! Not so good on a refrigerator though when a kid crawls into an old one. | ||
| Post# 880772 , Reply# 14 5/14/2016 at 15:21 (2,900 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
Lid locks are here because of high spin speeds | ||
| Post# 880778 , Reply# 15 5/14/2016 at 16:21 (2,900 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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I almost said that too before. Absolutley! | ||
| Post# 880783 , Reply# 16 5/14/2016 at 16:40 (2,900 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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| Post# 880798 , Reply# 17 5/14/2016 at 18:12 (2,900 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
@Joeypete - I'm drooling over that new Maytag!!! It'll be interesting to see it in person, but I love the color and styling of the wash plate, and the exterior. That sleek minimalistic design makes it look almost like something Apple engineered. I have to say, as much as I adore my Bravos XL because of its styling and robustness, I almost wish I had taken their offer of getting one of the new VMAX machines. They've been growing on me more and more lately, but at the time I just didn't want to be the guinea pig for a new design platform before they had a chance to work out the bugs.
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| Post# 880818 , Reply# 18 5/14/2016 at 20:45 (2,900 days old) by wishwash (Indiana) | ||
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What is this vmax machine you speak of? | ||
| Post# 880819 , Reply# 19 5/14/2016 at 21:05 (2,900 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 880827 , Reply# 20 5/14/2016 at 21:33 (2,900 days old) by Wishwash (Indiana) | ||
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They seem pretty quiet to me. Although it's hard to tell over the dryer in the background, if you listen closely it sounds like a quiet cabrio. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Wishwash's LINK | ||
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Post# 880832 , Reply# 21 5/14/2016 at 22:53 (2,900 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Why we have lid locks
The lid locks are here just as LordKenmore/John said, out of necessity. It was UL in 1971 that required baskets to stop spinning within 7 seconds when the lid was raised. This prompted a basket drive brake modification to WP washers, and others as well. The machines that could not or would not be modified to meet the requirement got a lid lock.
The VMW machines have no brake at all, thus the lid lock. Consumers seem to so hate those locks that I have to wonder if WP managers wish they had never designed them. Gordon | ||
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Post# 880853 , Reply# 22 5/15/2016 at 07:31 (2,900 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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The new Kenmores will share that design, along with an AccelaWash option and a rubber-finned impeller.
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| Post# 880871 , Reply# 23 5/15/2016 at 10:14 (2,899 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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Post# 880877 , Reply# 24 5/15/2016 at 10:45 (2,899 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 880882 , Reply# 25 5/15/2016 at 11:12 (2,899 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 880897 , Reply# 27 5/15/2016 at 12:33 (2,899 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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I've been drooling for the past hour just looking through all the pictures on that site. That new Cabrio with the dispensers mounted on the cabinet has me itching for a new machine already haha. I was wondering how long it would be before they went back to the Oasis style dispensers, and thank god they did, because that drawer is awful. Now the drawer is just reserved for the Load&Go dispenser so it only has to be used periodically. I love the grey color they used for the wash plate and tub bottom, so I'm hoping the design they're using for this front mounted control style will also carry over to the traditional control panel model as well.
They're killing me with these gorgeous revamps. I'm torn between a TOL Duet and a TOL Cabrio, WHY CAN'T I JUST HAVE BOTH!! Lol. The new styling of the Bravos XL is quite sleek as well, I love the way they made the lid so that it covers edge to edge. Beautiful. I need a slightly wider laundry room so I can have my dream of having a top loader, a front loader, and a dryer, all hooked up side by side. 
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Post# 880898 , Reply# 28 5/15/2016 at 12:36 (2,899 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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How about stacking the FL with its matching dryer? The Duet-design machines are stackable, if I'm not mistaken... | ||
| Post# 880899 , Reply# 29 5/15/2016 at 12:51 (2,899 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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I have thought of that, but the only storage I have in the room is the shelf above the pair, and I would have to take it down and modify it. It's not an impossibility though! I would love to have the FL pair on pedestals because it looks much nicer to me. I'm not opposed to that idea if I get the chance to find a set for a good price however.
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Post# 880903 , Reply# 30 5/15/2016 at 14:01 (2,899 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Is there anything oposing putting a stacked set on a pedestal except its height? | ||
| Post# 880905 , Reply# 31 5/15/2016 at 14:08 (2,899 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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re; stacking height could be an issue for tipping, possibly. Say someone stands on the open pedestal drawer. | ||
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Post# 880911 , Reply# 32 5/15/2016 at 14:25 (2,899 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 880932 , Reply# 33 5/15/2016 at 17:58 (2,899 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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After experiencing how heavy that Duet Sport was, I'd be worried about putting a full size FL on a pedestal along with the weight of the dryer on top as well. The Duet Sport was only 3.4 cu.ft so I'm sure anything near 4.5, which I'd prefer, would be a little heavier. I'm sure a condenser dryer would be even more weight added to the equation, and that's the only dryer I'm planning to even consider whenever I get the chance to replace mine in the future. Hopefully by that time, we'll be in a different house with a larger laundry room to accommodate them easily.
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| Post# 880949 , Reply# 34 5/15/2016 at 19:48 (2,899 days old) by Wishwash (Indiana) | ||
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According to the Whirlpool access site... ...there is another model, wtw4816fw. It offers the current VMW control panel with the round knobs with the traditional two piece corkscrew agitator like the 4616. Is this a new model as well? The model nomenclature makes me think so. | ||
| Post# 880951 , Reply# 35 5/15/2016 at 20:25 (2,899 days old) by Joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 880959 , Reply# 36 5/15/2016 at 22:24 (2,899 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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I'm glad to see them offering a traditional agitator model again. I wish they would use the VMW platform solely for the agitator machine, and reserve the VMAX design exclusively for the Cabrio line. Using the VMW and VMAX/Oasis platforms for both BOL Cabrios and flagship models has just stirred up too much confusion, and only brings the high-end line down because of the reputation the VMW Cabrio gets. That's why there are people who have bought the entry model Cabrio or Bravos X that now hate anything to do with either word, not realizing that there are two completely different machines that behave and perform very differently that have the same name. I mean, Vantage could have been a perfectly good name to use for the Oasis and VMAX in the US just as it is in other countries. Or why not just Oasis? Because I think that's an awesome name as is.
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| Post# 881060 , Reply# 39 5/16/2016 at 20:45 (2,898 days old) by Murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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I completely agree WP-dude. I think the best thing that could save top loaders would be an agitator redesign to be used in a flagship machine. If they'd create a machine that was built with the architecture of the new Cabrio lineup, with a direct drive BPM motor and recirculating system, but an agitator that is optimized for both low and high water fill usage, they'd appeal to both energy-conservative people like me and traditional washer lovers alike. The biggest trend I'm seeing right now is the addition of choice, or rather the "illusion" of choice in some ways. The one thing I like about Speed Queen's new business model is the implementation of their Normal Eco setting, which complies with regulations, but there are plenty of options to allow a user to use the water and heat they desire for a particular load. I love my Bravos XL to death, but one thing I'd absolutely LOVE to have is an option(s) to increase the amount of water in a way that also changes the agitation profile to prevent balling up and off-balancing of the load. (My only cycle/option is the Bulky cycle, which fills 3/4 or higher, but the agitation is so aggressive with 3-4 rotations each way that it just rolls everything up into a ball, and there is no short-stroke agitation to balance it out, which leads to failed spins.)
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| Post# 881074 , Reply# 40 5/16/2016 at 22:01 (2,898 days old) by Wishwash (Indiana) | ||
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That sounds like it would be a great machine. We used to own an oasis with the agitator, and it was great. If only I was an engineer at Whirlpool... | ||
| Post# 882503 , Reply# 42 5/28/2016 at 13:34 (2,886 days old) by Wishwash (Indiana) | ||
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They're finally appearing in stores. The low end model is availible for roughly $400. | ||
| Post# 882504 , Reply# 43 5/28/2016 at 13:51 (2,886 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
my toughs on the whirlpool washer listed above | ||
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Post# 882713 , Reply# 44 5/29/2016 at 17:57 (2,885 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Lid Locks Are Here | ||
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Post# 901443 , Reply# 45 10/1/2016 at 22:33 (2,760 days old) by ryner1988 (Indianapolis) |
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I have the afore mentioned model
I have the WP model WTW4816FW, mentioned above. I actually quite like the machine. Plenty of cycle options, I usually use normal and delicate interchangeably, occasionally heavy duty on things like towels and sheets if I want a true hot wash. I personally haven't had much need for the deep fill option though, as the auto fill really does seem very accurate. I've lifted the lid a couple times during different wash cycles and the clothes are plenty covered with water for my satisfaction. Looks like Whirlpool is trying to actually listen to consumers requests and complaints while still trying to comply with energy regulations in their design, which is a hard thing to do I'd imagine.
One question though, what is a VMW model? I know that's apparently what this washer is, but I don't know what that means. | ||
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Post# 901475 , Reply# 46 10/2/2016 at 08:27 (2,760 days old) by COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass) |
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VMW stands for Vertical Modular Washer. | ||
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Post# 901476 , Reply# 47 10/2/2016 at 08:28 (2,760 days old) by COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass) |
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