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Thread Number: 65668
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
WP Wash Timers With Fill Period |
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Post# 882480 , Reply# 1 5/28/2016 at 10:44 (2,882 days old) by peteski50  (New York) |
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FILL marking on early WP!
Being I had a time fill hotpoint when I was a tot - it confused me to see a washer with a fill marking that didnt move when filling! I have friends that had a time line whirlpool from 58 and it had the fill marking down to about 5 minutes. I remembered the timer had markings for 12 8 4 and they explained the fill marking was only a starting range. And they also said you can do a 14 minute wash if you started it at the beginning line before the 12 marking. As I remember all whirlpools had the fill markings on the dial plus some had the word Rinse Fill for rinse. I think it would have been better to label the word Start and Deep Rinse that might have made more sense! Regardless I loved the Imperal Timeline and all whirlpools from that era. I remember they used the Fill marking on all timers as I remember until about 63! I dont recall the kenmores having the fill markings!
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Post# 882507 , Reply# 2 5/28/2016 at 14:49 (2,882 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 Tom, our 1962 LJA320 with 3 water levels had a designated "Fill" range on the timer (both on the Normal and Gentle cycles, IIRC) but it didn't function as such, the machine would fill at any wash time position. Remains a mystery why the cycle legends had the marking. The unmarked Suds period leading in to Normal would function as a dry-agitate. | ||
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Post# 882520 , Reply# 3 5/28/2016 at 15:56 (2,881 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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just a guess | ||
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Post# 882531 , Reply# 4 5/28/2016 at 18:19 (2,881 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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May I point out... That today's POD (5-28) also has a fill period as well as 3 water levels. Perhaps an older way of saying "start." Just saying. | ||
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Post# 882533 , Reply# 5 5/28/2016 at 18:46 (2,881 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Mayhaps
Has something to do with accommodating households with low water pressure. That is the "Fill" portion of timer would allow for intake of water without restrictions upon timer, and or more generous allowance.
Seem to recall when reading CR reviews of "automatic" washing machines from the 1950's they made mention if a washer had a timed fill or whatever. Timed filling to certain water levels is only good if the pressure switch can be satisfied within the given period allotted on timer. Otherwise machine will start agitating once it times out regardless, am I wrong? | ||
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Post# 882545 , Reply# 6 5/28/2016 at 19:40 (2,881 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The timer has no relevance in Whirlpool machines with fill level controlled by a pressure switch (unless there's something about older machines of which I'm unaware, which certainly is possible). The pressure switch is in control, and the timer remains off until the pressure switch is satisfied. The only exception of which I'm aware is that some older timers had the timer motor run for ONE increment of the rinse fill. If water mains flow rate is high enough that (typically on the lowest fill level) the pressure switch is satisfied before the increment runs out, then there's a brief pause until the timer advances and agitation begins. Otherwise, the timer advances to the next increment and stops while fill continues until the pressure switch is satisfied, at which moment rinse agitation begins immediately. | ||
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Post# 882624 , Reply# 8 5/29/2016 at 08:45 (2,881 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 882627 , Reply# 9 5/29/2016 at 08:55 (2,881 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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It's a case of Meter-Fill vs. Time-Fill: I really like that washer & to think back then out could automatically sense how high to fill its water--to the point where I would gladly would have bought a machine with only a timer & temperature (that Sears was pushing in its Kenmore line) according to the weight of how much had been put in it...
Usually in that case, where the timer was set, would determine how much water would go into the tub, causing the knob to be reset accordingly, depending on how much water was actually required & the time needed to do the wash-load... --So, I would rather have the extra knob for the Water Level, really or get the rare Timer & One Knob Combo, where the Timer could determine temperature & the outside knob will do the "Low" to "High" for water usage...
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Post# 882632 , Reply# 10 5/29/2016 at 09:30 (2,881 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas) |
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My Mom had the model above the one that was featured. It had two cycles, Normal and gentle, (single speed). And yes, as someone already pointed out, it was so that you could start it anywhere in the arch of "Fill" for shorter washes and/or for partial fills. If doing a partial fill you would pull the timer out at the desired water level and advance the timer outside of the arch to start agitation. The only draw back with this was when it got to deep rinse, the washer would fill full unless you were right there and when it got to the water level you wanted, you would turn it back to the wash cycle to agitate the clothes.
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Post# 882663 , Reply# 11 5/29/2016 at 11:58 (2,881 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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WP Wash Timers With Fill Label!
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Post# 882667 , Reply# 12 5/29/2016 at 12:17 (2,881 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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WP Wash Timers With Fill Label
1956 model
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Post# 882668 , Reply# 13 5/29/2016 at 12:21 (2,881 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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WP Wash Timers With Fill Label!
1958 Timeline Imperial - this one was almost like the one these old friends had as I described earlier but that one only had the numbers 12 8 4 and did not have the word Fill in the Rinse portion - I think this was a later version?
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Post# 882670 , Reply# 14 5/29/2016 at 12:23 (2,881 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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WP Wash Timers With Fill Label
1959 - I picked up from here and I wish I could have gotten a better closeup of the timer!
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Post# 882671 , Reply# 15 5/29/2016 at 12:24 (2,881 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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WP Wash Timers With Fill Label
1959 TOL model
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Post# 882672 , Reply# 16 5/29/2016 at 12:25 (2,881 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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WP Wash Timers With Fill Label!
I think 1961 with a shorter wash time
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Post# 882673 , Reply# 17 5/29/2016 at 12:27 (2,881 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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WP Wash Timers With Fill Label
from a 1961 instruction booklet
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Post# 882674 , Reply# 18 5/29/2016 at 12:28 (2,881 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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WP Wash Timers With Fill Label
And finally I think 1962 - if anyone has more please post!
Thanks Peter
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Post# 882733 , Reply# 19 5/29/2016 at 21:35 (2,880 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Referencing the instruction card of Reply 17 ... our 1962 had a timer like the 2nd example. The fill designation may have been used on machines with one water level (full), even if a pressure switch was involved? Advancing the timer outside the range would override the pressure switch and start agitation immediately, providing a way to run a lower fill. | ||
| Post# 882834 , Reply# 20 5/30/2016 at 12:52 (2,880 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
 On Whirlpool washers, the "Fill" section of the wash period is where the timer can be set so the washer fills. On my 1964 it fills on the complete wash portion of the wash cycles except for the last two minutes of the "Normal" wash.
Unlike some time-filled machines that have a preset fill time that could be shortened to get a lower water level. | ||
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Post# 882916 , Reply# 21 5/30/2016 at 22:47 (2,879 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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WP Wash Timers With Fill Label | ||
| Post# 882936 , Reply# 22 5/31/2016 at 02:03 (2,879 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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My 1965 Inglis still has that Fill label (so I assume Whitlpool also had them). On this one, the "Fill" stops at 6 minutes of the normal wash. | ||
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Post# 882994 , Reply# 23 5/31/2016 at 10:29 (2,879 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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WP Wash Timers With Fill Label | ||
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Post# 883016 , Reply# 24 5/31/2016 at 13:04 (2,879 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 883031 , Reply# 25 5/31/2016 at 15:13 (2,879 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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This Inglis is a single speed machine, and even the 1964 RCA Whirlpool 5 cycle was a single speed (I converted it to two speeds as the single speed motor was very noisy!).
I thought having 5 cycles and a single speed didn't make much sense! The timer was really meant to operate a two-speed machine and it was very easy to rewire. I kept all the original terminals so if I ever want to make it a single speed again, it could be done in a few minutes! | ||
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Post# 885945 , Reply# 27 6/18/2016 at 22:41 (2,860 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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1955 Whirlpool!
another just put on ebay with such a beautiful console and a 20 minute wash and the FILL embedded in the timer!
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