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Post# 883499   6/4/2016 at 14:48 (2,854 days old) by joefuss1984 (Little Rock, AR)        

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Hello!

I have started working on a Kenmore BD. I acquired the machine two years ago. A home here in Little Rock had sold and was being made into a rent house. This was the original washing machine to that home, as best as I can tell, as the house was made the same year as the washing machine. This is my first belt drive endeavor. I am curious to know what information or experiences anyone may have about this model (110.72431110)?

The machine does leak water around the baseplate. I am working on inner tub removal, however, the agitator is stuck. :-/

Anyway, thanks for any information or input!


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Post# 883542 , Reply# 1   6/5/2016 at 01:53 (2,854 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)        

What methods have you used to try and remove the agitator?

If you post your attempts someone here will probably chime in and give you a few suggestions on how to get it out.

Good luck locating your leak. Hopefully it won't be anything major for you to fix.


Post# 883543 , Reply# 2   6/5/2016 at 02:38 (2,854 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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That's a very nice mid-'70s machine with as many cycle options as you'll ever need.

 

Be sure to check all hoses before tearing it apart to investigate the leak.  If it still has the original opaque plastic cone-shaped filter (at bottom right -- I think -- when facing the rear of the machine) those are notorious for cracking and leaking.


Post# 883557 , Reply# 3   6/5/2016 at 06:51 (2,854 days old) by joefuss1984 (Little Rock, AR)        
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@Washdaddy - The only method so far has just been trying to pull straight up. I don't have a an agitamer. But I may have to invest in one.

@rp2813 - I don't think it is the cone shape filter you refer to. I have attached a pic of the filter. The leak drips off of the base plate around the service panel area in the back. I really think the water is coming from under the tub. I could be wrong.


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Post# 883559 , Reply# 4   6/5/2016 at 07:30 (2,854 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

I am sure you are correct. It probably needs a new rubber seal in the center of the outer tub. That really isn't too terrible of a job to do. You would need to either get or borrow an agitamer or even a bicycle tire inter tube might work to slide under the agitator and air it up. You would also need the tub wrench to unscrew the inner tub so you can remove it, since you already have the top piece removed. After that you would need to unscrew the 4 bolts holding the outer tub down. Carefully remove the plastic piece that the air tub for the water cut off by a quarter turn and unlocking it. Then you can pull the outer tub up and out. The rest should be fairly easy. I always used some silicon seal or E 6000 around where the new seal slides down the shaft and where the bolts hold the outer tub when replacing it for added seal protection when putting it back together.

Post# 883575 , Reply# 5   6/5/2016 at 11:11 (2,853 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest)        

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Try doing a search, in this forum, under agitator removal kenmore.  There are different tricks one can use to save the agitator including boiling water, a careful tapping with a rubber mallet, and others.

 

Good luck.  That's a nice mid 70s machine.  looks like it's in good condition.


Post# 883894 , Reply# 6   6/8/2016 at 03:33 (2,851 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)        
My vote

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Is for a new tub seal too. You'll need a spanner wrench. The one I have came in a two pack one for Kenmore and Maytag. It's a good opportunity to get the inner and outer tubs really clean before reassembly

Post# 883958 , Reply# 7   6/8/2016 at 11:54 (2,850 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Channeling Emily Litella

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That looks like the new and improved filter.


Post# 892992 , Reply# 8   8/8/2016 at 07:42 (2,790 days old) by joefuss1984 (Little Rock, AR)        
Agitator Removal Problems

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I am still having problems removing the agitator on this machine. I have tried pouring the boiling water over the top and using a rubber mallet to try and loosen it. I also used an inner-tube under the agitator but the inner-tube popped and the agitator is still stuck in place.

I have been unable to find an agitamer for sale online. If anyone has one that I could borrow I will pay for shipping or if anyone has any other ideas that I can try please let me know.

Thanks for the help!


Post# 893013 , Reply# 9   8/8/2016 at 10:51 (2,789 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Agi Tamer.

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Get your hands on an Agi Tamer. It's sort of a flattened but extra thick inner tube designed to go under an agitator. It gets filled with water, and it pops the agitator up.

They really work well.
Dave


Post# 893021 , Reply# 10   8/8/2016 at 12:20 (2,789 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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agitator removal.....

lay two towels on each side of the top of the machine opening.......

place a 2 x 4 across the towels, to prevent scratches......

take two ratcheting tie downs, and criss cross over the board, and under the agitator......

snug up the slack, and start ratcheting the straps, alternating until the agitator pops off....


this had worked on really tough ones......for the most part, it should be stuff you already have....

keep us posted to your progress....


Post# 893365 , Reply# 11   8/10/2016 at 15:34 (2,787 days old) by repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

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What a great machine. According to the serial number it was made in 1977. Sounds like it has a leaking center tub seal as mentioned. Given the age it probably will not come apart easily but once you get past that and get it back into operation you will be glad that you did.

Post# 893407 , Reply# 12   8/10/2016 at 21:50 (2,787 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)        
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You have removed the agitator bolt? Right? You didn't mention that, so just wanted to be sure.
I recently replaced the tub seal on a friends Kenmore..
I had a spanner wrench to remove the tub bolt and that was no problem. Where I had trouble.. Was removing the inner tub that should lift out. After several attempts, I had to stand inside the machine and rock back and forth to break it loose. And that didn't happen for me on the first attempt!


Post# 893442 , Reply# 13   8/11/2016 at 07:42 (2,787 days old) by joefuss1984 (Little Rock, AR)        
agitator bolt

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If by the agitator bolt you mean the cap that screws off of the top then yes, I did remove that. I have the spanner wrench when and if I get the agitator off. :)

Post# 893458 , Reply# 14   8/11/2016 at 08:31 (2,787 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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what Stan is asking.....is the bolt in the cap, or stuck in the shaft?

some have a bit of a base in the center, or a washer in place holding the agitator down as well as the cap itself....

just checking.....


Post# 893601 , Reply# 15   8/12/2016 at 00:59 (2,786 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)        
Joe

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Here's some pics.. Sorry not very good pics but..
1st pic is with fabric softener dispenser already off. The flat cap just lifts off with a screwdriver
In the 2nd pic there's a bolt holding the agitator down, (can't see it but its down there)
I think it's a 7/16 or 3/4
You would need a socket wrench with a extender to reach it. Unless yours has a different set up.
I just want to make sure you've removed yours, so you don't struggle getting your agitator off without first removing.


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Post# 893606 , Reply# 16   8/12/2016 at 02:56 (2,786 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)        
Also

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If you find and remove the bolt.. Lift te agitator straight up off the shaft from the bottom. The agitator is actually two pieces. You don't want to separate unless your replacing the agitator dogs. If the dogs are worn..you'll know during agitation. (Poor rollover)
We'll get to that later if need be.


Post# 893650 , Reply# 17   8/12/2016 at 13:47 (2,785 days old) by joefuss1984 (Little Rock, AR)        

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O, I see what you mean now. You are looking at the triple action agitator on a direct drive. I just have a straight vane agitator on a belt drive with a cap that screws off of the top.

Post# 893671 , Reply# 18   8/12/2016 at 18:35 (2,785 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)        
Someone

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who knows Belt Drives better will come by, but I would think there's still a bolt holding that agitator.. aside from a cap?
Martian will know for sure. Let's see if he stops by.


Post# 893686 , Reply# 19   8/12/2016 at 21:09 (2,785 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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There is a hold-down nut.  Sometimes it comes off with the cap, sometimes the cap unscrews and leaves the nut in place.


Post# 904002 , Reply# 20   10/23/2016 at 15:06 (2,713 days old) by JOefuss1984 (Little Rock, AR)        
Progress!!

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The old agitator has been removed! It actually broke trying to remove it but that is ok, with some help from a good friend, I found an exact replacement on Ebay. The basket has been removed, leaving the outer tub. Attached are the pics and now I am just trying to figure out what to do next.

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Post# 904017 , Reply# 21   10/23/2016 at 17:12 (2,713 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Congratulations Joseph.  I hope some here will give you guidance as to what to do next if that's what you need. 


Post# 904018 , Reply# 22   10/23/2016 at 17:18 (2,713 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Lots of Naval Jelly, a good wire brush and a can of POR-15!

Post# 904020 , Reply# 23   10/23/2016 at 17:39 (2,713 days old) by JOefuss1984 (Little Rock, AR)        
steps to take next?

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1) What is Naval Jelly?
2) Do most people order the POR15 online or do stores carry that?
3) How do you know if you need to remove the outer tub or not?

Thanks for the help and advice!


Post# 904042 , Reply# 24   10/23/2016 at 19:26 (2,713 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Joseph,

I am glad you got the replacement agitator. The splines on the agitator shaft are heavily rusted, as we had feared.

To properly rebuild this machine, here is what I would do:

1) Remove the transmission. You need a replacement or a new agitator shaft for the old one. They can't be re-used with rust on them like that. If you strip the rust, the remaining material won't be sufficient to drive the agitator without slipping and stripping the agitator.

2) Remove the outer tub. There are lots of reasons for this. You need to strip and protect/paint the center post. The best way to do this is to have the tub out. You also need to replace the center tub gasket before re-installation.

3) Replace the upper center post seal. The center post is rusted up to the top, indicating that moisture is coming up way too high, which is why the splines rusted.

4) When the tub is out, you can carefully inspect and clean it. I am not sure if what we see on the tub bottom is iron stains or rust, but quite often, most of that will come off. When the tub is out and cleaned, you can paint if with POR if it is deteriorating.

5) There is probably rusty build up in the basket centerpost. Clean that up too --- you may want to POR spots there as well.

6) When you're doing all of this, replace the agitator seal on the spin tube. It too will be worn and will work together with the centerpost seal to create an air tight seal under the agitator to prevent moisture from rising up the center. A healthy machine keeps moisture about an inch above the rubber center gasket.

I hate to tell you this, but some of these steps are likely to be "not fun". We'll help you through them, one by one.

Gordon



Post# 904043 , Reply# 25   10/23/2016 at 19:33 (2,713 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        
Couple other things...

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Naval Jelly is a rust remover. It leaves metal cleaned up and ready for re-coating. It is potent stuff.

Check with the POR website, I got mine online but if I recall, there were so supply stores that had it as well.

Gordon


Post# 904051 , Reply# 26   10/23/2016 at 21:56 (2,713 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        
Get the POR-15 from

An automotive car/ body repair supply company. Naval Jelly and wire brush from a Hardware store.


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