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Taking a Whirlpool Combo Apart in 16 "Easy" Steps
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Post# 132802   6/2/2006 at 23:11 (6,536 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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As I mentioned in an earlier post, my 1958 Whirlpool combo had developed a bad leak and I determined that it was the large recirculation feed hose at the bottom of the outer tub. Unfortunately Whirlpool used and interior retaining ring to hold the hose in as opposed to an exterior clamp. So in order to remove the old hose I had to remove the wash drum which entails taking nearly the entire machine apart, grrrrrrrr.

Here is the machine coming apart in 16 easy steps...


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Post# 132817 , Reply# 1   6/2/2006 at 23:32 (6,536 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Very interesting procedure Robert. That hose does look to be in sad shape. That is such a fun machine and I am so glad that you now have some parts to keep it running!! Thanks so much for sharing!! Terry

Post# 132823 , Reply# 2   6/2/2006 at 23:40 (6,536 days old) by hoover1060 ()        
16 easy steps!

Lord have mercy!!!
Thats as bad as taking apart a Hoover Concept One!!!

Hopefully thats something you won't have to do to that extent again...


Post# 132829 , Reply# 3   6/2/2006 at 23:49 (6,536 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
If anyone in North America

could do that, it would have to be you, Robert!


My hat (if I wore one,) is off to you.



Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 132830 , Reply# 4   6/2/2006 at 23:52 (6,536 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Yay :)

So my favorite machine is all ready for when I visit :)

Its easy to see why they were a repairers nightmare.

Thankyou Robert :D


Post# 132834 , Reply# 5   6/2/2006 at 23:58 (6,536 days old) by brent-aucoin ()        

Robert!
This is incredible!
This shows why this machine is so rare now! What Jo Blow Tech, even back then would have done this job? Wow!
I must tell you that I can't get over how clean the inside of your combo looks! Thanks for taking it apart and showing us! Was it this clean, or did you take it apart once before and clean it? It is really, really amazing for it's age.
About that hose. What was Whirlpool thinking in this design? It is wild. Makes you wonder? Such a complex machine, but such a silly design access for this hose. Makes you think that when they designed this machine, they were thinking that by the time this hose goes bad, this machine will be long out of service.
Your hose looks rough. (no offence) Was this from pulling it out and such? Or it just aged this way? Does this hose have any movement when the machine is running?
I just sit here and think that when you had to get this hose out of the machine you parted out, you had to do the same removal process with that machine!
Just curious, but what was the shape of the combo that you got your parts out of?
Thanks for the pictures!
Can't wait to see your hard work pay off with the first load!
Brent


Post# 132839 , Reply# 6   6/3/2006 at 00:05 (6,536 days old) by rickr (.)        
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Good gosh!! What a service nightmare!! All for a rubber hose. Well... One can clearly see that you have done a wonderful job with the first restoration, as the machine is clean enough to eat off of. At least you didn't have to work in a ton of grease, lint, and crud, like the first time. Great job Robert,and once again,thanks for sharing the photos and detailed descriptions.


BTW- all those hours in the gym have certainly paid off. You look fantasic! Just buff as hell!


Post# 132856 , Reply# 7   6/3/2006 at 01:07 (6,536 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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OMG, that hose is huge. That explains the wonderful wash steram in those WP made combos!!!

And Robert, you do look great. You get better looking with age.


Post# 132857 , Reply# 8   6/3/2006 at 01:41 (6,536 days old) by cadman (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Robert, excellent writeup- This will come in very handy when I start pulling apart the WP in the garage for the resto. Thanks for taking the time to document it! -Cory

Post# 132858 , Reply# 9   6/3/2006 at 02:09 (6,536 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
incredible

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Robert, I am struck blind.
Even with three servicemen as built and bright as you *and* a long weekend I still wouldn't have the balls to try it. I'd be too afraid I'd destroy something irreplaceable.
A beautiful machine, some wonderful shots and explanations and, yes, the tidiness and order you keep is something you just can't Photoshop.
Thanks for taking the time to share all of this with us, it really made my day.


Post# 132859 , Reply# 10   6/3/2006 at 02:10 (6,536 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
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That's a hell of a job Robert, just for replacing that hose. Are you using an outer clamp now?

At least this saved you an hour at the gym. LOL


Post# 132860 , Reply# 11   6/3/2006 at 02:28 (6,536 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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You had said it was a huge job to get this hose replaced but - wow! "16 Easy Steps" is a bit of a conservative title, each of the 16 steps had and A, then B, then C... It's funny that the WP combo repair manual doesn't give this much detail - that factory service training certainly was worth attending!

Glad you got the machine up and running again - it's too big to be an ornamental part of the collection and so cool to see running!


Post# 132889 , Reply# 12   6/3/2006 at 08:22 (6,536 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)        
Fantastic Robert

Just follow these 16 simple steps. Think of that wonderful spray!

Post# 132892 , Reply# 13   6/3/2006 at 08:33 (6,536 days old) by westyslantfront ()        

Hi Robert. Thank you for the fascinating pictures. I do not know how to repair machines but I sure enjoy looking at the proceedures.

Ross


Post# 132908 , Reply# 14   6/3/2006 at 10:06 (6,536 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
Robert,

Wouldn't that have been a much simpler task if Whirlpool had put an access built into the drum? I think other manufacturers did this.....Like GE and Maytag...Mark

Post# 132909 , Reply# 15   6/3/2006 at 10:08 (6,536 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I admire your determination, Robert. Here is the scenario if Frigilux was at bat:

1) Remove dials. Swear a blue streak about them being screwed on.

2) Remove top. Peer inside, swear a blue streak, ending with the phrase F*CK IT.

3. Go see the new Vince Vaughn film.



Post# 132910 , Reply# 16   6/3/2006 at 10:11 (6,536 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Wow Robert - what a time that was! Those "16 Steps" sounds like a too-good-to-be-true weight loss program! As time is not currently permitting for a Whirly resto here in the Cedar Valley - it will be great to see this machine in action on another visit to Minnesota.

Post# 132925 , Reply# 17   6/3/2006 at 12:55 (6,535 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Well thanks everyone. Brent I did have the machine apart before to replace the rubber clothes guard around the front of the drum. There was a bit more grime and lint in the outer tub, but it really was relatively clean when I got it, the original owner had a wringer and clothes line in the backyard, which she preferred over this machine so it had very little use. The machine really is in nice shape otherwise.

The hose is stationary and its cut where I had cut the hose in half trying to patch the two ends together with a PVC pipe, but it didn't work so I had to wait until I found a replacement.

Louis there is no way to use a clamp on that hose because there is no flange at the opening at the bottom of the outer tub, is just a round hole so there would be nothing for the clamp to hold onto.

Mark, it would have been much easier with an access port in the drum, but no such luck on this monster.

The silicone should be dry and ready for a wash load tomorrow.


Post# 132926 , Reply# 18   6/3/2006 at 12:57 (6,535 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Deep Inside

Robert,
It is amazing to see what was lurking behind that hulking exterior. I saw many of these in my childhood.
It had never occured to me, that front loaders would come apart from the top and have an outer holding tank for the water.
I just assumed they would come apart from the front, like a dryer.
Are all front loads built on this design model, i.e. holding tank and spinning tub suspended inside?
Kelly


Post# 132994 , Reply# 19   6/3/2006 at 22:02 (6,535 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Wow, that must have been a bad leak, especially after looking at that hose!

Thanks for posting the detailed outline of the repair; even though it took 16 steps to get the hose out (a mounting flange at the bottom would have been much better, and I can't believe that shaft had to be pounded out!), the mechanics of the machine look a lot less complicated than I initially thought (at least after seeing those pictures of Jon's Kenmore when he had the front off!). Does your Whirly use the same unbalanced-load-sensing mechanism as the later Kenmore combos or is it completely different?

I know you're excited to get it running and watch that Filter-Stream action again! Keep us posted! :)


Post# 132998 , Reply# 20   6/3/2006 at 22:25 (6,535 days old) by pturo (Syracuse, New York)        
Whirlpool Combo Dismantle Steps

The first instruction should have been " First, open a beer"! and the final "do a shot of Tequilla" What a lot to go through for a hose. I guess that's the price of love for wonderful rare things. Congratulations and thanks for the education on this fabulous machine! Phil

Post# 133026 , Reply# 21   6/4/2006 at 00:43 (6,535 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
YAY

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The Spray Has Returned

Post# 133027 , Reply# 22   6/4/2006 at 00:44 (6,535 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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And now a fancy freeze flash frame shot...


Post# 133031 , Reply# 23   6/4/2006 at 01:57 (6,535 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Robert, this brings back memories of 1968 when I dismantled my WP combo. I had to go buy a set of Alan wrenches for the dial set screws and that two part timer dial was a wild thing to deal with. I have a question. Were you not able to take the heater mounting off the sump and go in through the front? Does your machine have the sight glass down there also? The WP serviceman who helped me with mine said that was the way they went into the sump. It was sort of like laproscopic surgery. They would pop out the gasket holding the sight glass, too. I never would have been able to dismantle the machine like you did. When I discovered that mine had some junk in the sump, I removed the cover plate for the heater; mine did not have the heater, and reached in to get the pen and other things.

Does your 1958 have the flat lint filter or the one that is curved downward like a scoop. I think it was only the first year or two that they used the flat filter and the pump like the Economat that would suck air as well as water since in that model, the filter and pump were above the water level in the sump.

Thanks for the fantastic pictures. They brought back lots of memories.


Post# 133047 , Reply# 24   6/4/2006 at 04:50 (6,535 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
Almost crying for happyness...

I was almost crying for the happyness looking at the great pics you shonwed us!
Thery were indeed the best explaining work pics I've never seen before! Thank you very very much :-))

BTW, I have alwasy loved WP combo, because it remember me deeply old Italian 50's washers exteriore case... although that Sangiorgio was the first using the spary they called it GEYSER... but in the 90's!!! And the first combo here was CANDY Alisč... in the 1986!!!!! Nearly half century after...

Well, take care of your WP... we all love it very much indeed :-))

Good Bye
Diomede


Post# 133067 , Reply# 25   6/4/2006 at 09:13 (6,535 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Hi Tom, unfortunately Whirlpool discontinued that port in the Heater mount cover plate in the 1958 line otherwise it would have been much easier. The heater is mounted through two small holes into the outer tub on this model only. I have no idea why they did this and taking out the see thru suds glass wouldn't have helped as its too small and you need to hands to get out that retaining ring. Yes and as for the filter they only used the flat filter for '57 as well.

For those who haven't seen this before, here is the suds window, you are suppose to bring the suds 1/2 up this see thru window.


Post# 133078 , Reply# 26   6/4/2006 at 10:36 (6,535 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Robert,

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Forgive my stupidity - but that window is placed such that you would have to bend over each time to read it. Now as aesthetically pleasing as that may be in your case, for me it would be a pain in the neck. Was this just a one-shot thing which you did when you bought the machine so you knew how much soap to use? Or did women really take these things that seriously?
A beautiful machine and thanks again for sharing.
Keven


Post# 133081 , Reply# 27   6/4/2006 at 12:17 (6,534 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
WALTZING WITH THE DRUM

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Hello Robert/Samantha/Lawrence Welk

My favorite is photo #16; During the last slow dance, your're firmly eyeballing your date saying; "After all I've gone through to take you this far, you'd better put out tonight, Baby!"

I'll have more time to study later, a machine I know nothing about, but are you saying that this Dreamboat, shoots the clothes with a stream of water as it tumbles thru wash and rinse, and that most of the water is in a sump?

If so, that's pretty amazing technology that only a washer lover could have thought up. The shot of the stream inside the machine is dazzling. So much work! So much love! All for us. Thank you so much.

Myron Florian on the accordian


Post# 133106 , Reply# 28   6/4/2006 at 15:45 (6,534 days old) by jerseymike ()        
Wow

What were they thinking when they designed this machine? Talk about planned obsolescence! That being said, once again my hat is off to you Robert. You never cease to amaze me. Thank you for saving this awesome, awesome machine. The after pictures are especially gratifying.

Mike


Post# 133107 , Reply# 29   6/4/2006 at 16:25 (6,534 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)        

16 simple steps my ass! What a pain! Glad you have so much patience. The machien really is remarkably clean inside. Glad you got it up and running again.

Post# 133145 , Reply# 30   6/4/2006 at 22:21 (6,534 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
Robert, were you a wrestlier in school?

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With the outfit you are wearing in the third photo you look like you are a wrestler - high school wrestling, not WWE.

How much did Whirlpool combos hold? The drum looks as big as a Duet.


Post# 133179 , Reply# 31   6/5/2006 at 00:50 (6,534 days old) by rocky2 (Northwest Indiana)        
Robert...

Do you make house Calls? And if you do could you wear that same outfit?

All kidding aside, We all appreciate the time you take to photograph your various projects and share them with us. While I'm sure its time consuming and hard work, you make it less daunting for those us that hope to find that dream machine someday and just can't wait to get our hand dirty.

Thanks!


Post# 133192 , Reply# 32   6/5/2006 at 02:39 (6,534 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There“s a Lady on Stage)        

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Am I going to have to turn the hose on some of you guys?

Launderess


Post# 133195 , Reply# 33   6/5/2006 at 04:20 (6,534 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
What a Job!

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Robert,

That is such a job to replace one hose...but it looks worth it!

Leon


Post# 133196 , Reply# 34   6/5/2006 at 05:43 (6,534 days old) by brettsomers ()        

so this machine relies heavily on the stream of recirculated water? is this unique? how does the wash results compare to a machine with a pool of wash water in the cylinder?

Post# 133203 , Reply# 35   6/5/2006 at 06:38 (6,534 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
Working-out with the WP combo...........

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L: I don't think your hose would quite do it for them.


Robert: Thank you so much for taking the time between 'cuss words to document this. FASCINATIING.

Is there now a screw/worm clamp on the outside? :-)




Post# 133256 , Reply# 36   6/5/2006 at 10:06 (6,534 days old) by agiflow ()        

Thanks Robert for posting these pictures...that is such a cool machine. Way before LG was even a thought :-)

Post# 133259 , Reply# 37   6/5/2006 at 10:18 (6,534 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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David and others who aren't familiar with the Whirlpool Combo, yes it simply washes with a stream of water. There water level does not come up to the bottom of the drum. Actually it does a really good job of washing, and can wash a really large load with only 15 or so gallons of water. Its great with pet hair and really sandy clothes as well. The problem is the machine only spins at 200rpm, so it takes a long time to dry.

Post# 133340 , Reply# 38   6/5/2006 at 13:54 (6,533 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        

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If Whirlpool could make a washer work with a stream of water, I have to wonder why they don't do that with the Duet (or do they?). If so, how could the combo not oversuds since they didn't have HE detergents back then. I think they discontinued combo washers when the manufacturers came up with laundry centers.

As for wrestling, I have watched it, but I could never do it. Like Bill Maher said once on "Politically Incorrect" I always tried to get out of it becuase, like him, I could not stand to touch other men. But you look like you wrestled!


Post# 133393 , Reply# 39   6/5/2006 at 15:05 (6,533 days old) by brettsomers ()        

thanks robert. i saw the videos of the machine running for the first time yesterday and saw the spin. i figured robert ran out of recording time and wasnt able to recored the full speed of the spin. i now know that WAS the full speed! this machine looks like it really NEEDS *Dash*. though Dash is before my time, seems like Dash was P&G's answer for machines that tended to oversuds, like tumble action machines. perhaps this Whirlpool combo came with a box of *Dash* when new?

Post# 133409 , Reply# 40   6/5/2006 at 15:57 (6,533 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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The Whirlpool combo really isn't too sudsy with regular clothes and regular detergent, you just have to be more careful with a full load of towels. But they did have HE style detergents in the 1950's, mainly: Dash, Ad and All.

Post# 844269 , Reply# 41   10/4/2015 at 14:43 (3,125 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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Cool looking machine! My favorite while looking through pics of your collection.



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