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Post# 133171   6/5/2006 at 00:16 (6,506 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Post# 133176 , Reply# 1   6/5/2006 at 00:34 (6,506 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I dunno. I actually got nauseated watching. Sounds just like an F&P, not that impressed with "rollover".

Post# 133178 , Reply# 2   6/5/2006 at 00:41 (6,506 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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I wasn't impressed at all. Lame.

Post# 133181 , Reply# 3   6/5/2006 at 01:05 (6,506 days old) by brettsomers ()        

looks like it might tangle. also looks like a lot of friction going on. i am intrigued by the wash action, would like to see a video of machine *lightly* loaded.

Post# 133186 , Reply# 4   6/5/2006 at 01:31 (6,506 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I haven't watched this video yet, but I believe a post on THS says the load was run on a cycle designated for bulky items to minimize tangling.

Post# 133187 , Reply# 5   6/5/2006 at 01:42 (6,506 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I didn't see much rollover either-but interesting.

Post# 133191 , Reply# 6   6/5/2006 at 02:31 (6,506 days old) by eluxomarty ()        
drunk

i put on the pretender's watching the clothes go round and got dizzy

Post# 133193 , Reply# 7   6/5/2006 at 04:09 (6,506 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
AU Machines have agitated like that for 20 years

yes ours have a Centre post ALA F&P and the rollover still isnt spectacular, even full of water.

However these machines do a great job washing, now have a highish spin speed of 850rpm and last up to 10 years.

While it might look boring compared to a US machine with a traditional gearbox, they are very good at what they do.

Disclaimer (I'm not saying the Oasis is good, however dont knock the technology, just because the rollover appears slow.)

Hugs

Nathan


Post# 133194 , Reply# 8   6/5/2006 at 04:14 (6,506 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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OK, I watched the full 2 min 57 sec clip three times. There IS rollover. Reverse rollover. The clothes turn up from the center of the pulsator and over to the outside. Looks effective to me. Hard to tell how much water is really there, but it's apparently enough to do the job where the fabric meets the disc. Everything looks to be thoroughly soaked, and there was a shower spray that activated for a short time, which I'm figuring repeats throughout the wash period. Either that or it was adding a bit more water like my F&P sometimes does to top-off the water level after the clothes get mixed up and trapped air bubbles release. The load description says it's a mix of towels, TWO sets of queen sheets and one set of twin sheets, PLUS a blanket. The camera pulls back a bit when the water spray starts, and the load is just a few inches below the rim of that super-size tub.

Post# 133197 , Reply# 9   6/5/2006 at 06:14 (6,505 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
dunno. I actually got nauseated watching.

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Looks like a slow, painful birth to me.

Post# 133204 , Reply# 10   6/5/2006 at 06:41 (6,505 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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look at his other vids, he has vids of the wash, spin, rinse and rain process, just click on the name of the host (jonv112) and it takes you to all his vids, there are 17 in total

Post# 133211 , Reply# 11   6/5/2006 at 07:04 (6,505 days old) by westytoploader ()        

AAAAAAAAAAH! Look at all that harmful rubbing! Talk about a Shredmore...I prefer Frigidaire's rub-free washing action, thank you very much!

That has an eerie sound to it; reminds me of both the Fisher & Paykel and the GE Harmony. Very strange when you're used to the steady motor noise of an agitator machine, or even the "electronic-sounding" motor of the F&P.

--Austin


Post# 133216 , Reply# 12   6/5/2006 at 07:55 (6,505 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City)        
The Man at Sears told me something interesting........

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The Man at Sears said that they "leased" the motor to Whirlpool for this machine. The sales person could have made it up for all I know, but it does sound very F and P to me as well. F & P does make dish dwars dishwasher re-badged for Kitchenaid. It is just a thought.

Post# 133241 , Reply# 13   6/5/2006 at 09:20 (6,505 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
Well then

Looks like most of yall hate it. Well, ok. I'm still getting mine even though it's now considered NAUSEATING and LAME as a few of you said. I root for the underdog.

I thought it was pretty cool and I saw the rollover, slow but it did work. Did y'all look at the spin cycle? Notice the impeller pulsing back and forth? Methinks that's the disk trying to balance everything.


Post# 133254 , Reply# 14   6/5/2006 at 10:01 (6,505 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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A Sears appliance associate I know told me they describe it as a "blossoming" rollover. Up and out from the center like a flower.

Post# 133264 , Reply# 15   6/5/2006 at 10:22 (6,505 days old) by agiflow ()        

pretty cool, but i think i would go for the agitator model over this one.

Post# 133265 , Reply# 16   6/5/2006 at 10:26 (6,505 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)        

Interesting, but I'll stick with the vigorous, but gentle tumble action for the time being. I have often wondered if a a Frigidaire Jet Cone type agitation system could be designed to be as effective as an Oasis with a small amount of water. When I had one, I experimented with low amounts of water and clothes seemed to still roll over.

Post# 133266 , Reply# 17   6/5/2006 at 10:28 (6,505 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

The agitator model will probably sound and look more like an f&p washer.

I think it's still cooler than cool for a new HE washer. It does look kinda weird with that reverse rollover.

Maybe I coulda got a SQ pair but being the Kenmore fan that I am; I don't want a typical DD Shredmore or a FL so I got the Oasis. I actually like the rhythmic sounds it makes. Very relaxing.


Post# 133270 , Reply# 18   6/5/2006 at 10:37 (6,505 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I viewed most of the videos, some of them even a few times. It looks like the clothes aren't totally covered with water, which means that the clothes at the bottom are being pressed on the disk. But that disk turns quite vigorous which means that the clothes at the bottom get quite a beating. I don't think I like this machine. As a matter of fact I don't think I'll ever like any V-axis toploader with a water level that doesn't cover the clothes.

Post# 133285 , Reply# 19   6/5/2006 at 11:30 (6,505 days old) by gregm ()        
more water

maybe the turnover would be better with more water and there would be "less rubbing" ??? can you get the machine to fill up full ?

Post# 133286 , Reply# 20   6/5/2006 at 11:34 (6,505 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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It looks like I will be taking the plunge next month because my top loader is a water hog and the water bill just came in two weeks ago and it was almost $800.00 more than normal due to a water main break in the building last fall. And if you get a water bill for $7,000.00 for an apartment building, you know its time to cut back in some areas and this is one of them!

Post# 133287 , Reply# 21   6/5/2006 at 11:37 (6,505 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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I'm with Louis: imagine the force on the clothes from the disk to achieve that wash action. No thank you. It is kinda gross to watch the clothes come up the middle like this.

I wonder if the agitator version of this machine has the same action or if it works with more water more like a "normal" F&P toploader...?


Post# 133288 , Reply# 22   6/5/2006 at 11:39 (6,505 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

There's a comforter/bedding cycle that fills all the way with water.

You go Cleanteam! Get that Oasis! The underdog always wins in the end.


Post# 133294 , Reply# 23   6/5/2006 at 11:59 (6,505 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

Sorry to pee in your coffee Larry, but I'd stick to any of the new front loaders before I went with this Oasis thing. And how reliable are they? We won't know until a few years. If you want energy efficiency, a front loader is a long standing testament. Why try to reinvent the wheel?
Bobby in Boston


Post# 133297 , Reply# 24   6/5/2006 at 12:14 (6,505 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

Does this machine actually get the laundry clean? I wouldn't want any of my clothes put through that wash action - it appears to be the automated version of the wash board. Isn't there a traditional agi model of this machine?

Post# 133300 , Reply# 25   6/5/2006 at 12:24 (6,505 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
If you want energy efficiency, a front loader is a long sta

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I'm with you. Can't beat a front loader for efficiency. Tried and true.

But mannies swear and like to believe that most Americans won't bend over. (to load and unload) But, I suppose they have never met this crowd.


Post# 133312 , Reply# 26   6/5/2006 at 12:54 (6,505 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

Have they tried bending at the knee!! How do they think we manage in the UK struggling every day to unload our washers and spending all of our spare cash at the chiropractor? I have never heard a GP prescribe a TL

Post# 133316 , Reply# 27   6/5/2006 at 13:04 (6,505 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston)        

That's why the new FL's have risers. Not too shabby.
Bobby in Boston


Post# 133335 , Reply# 28   6/5/2006 at 13:46 (6,505 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
Risers

So they can shake rattle and roll.

"Bangbangbangbangbangbang"


Post# 133376 , Reply# 29   6/5/2006 at 14:34 (6,505 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Oasis roll-over

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I wasn't to impressed. If their was a little more water in the drum and a constant recirculating action that I would be in favor of it. I think it is a interesting washer and like the fact it has a window.
My 2 cents
Peter


Post# 133394 , Reply# 30   6/5/2006 at 15:05 (6,505 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

I was thinking about how this reverse action could occur. My only guess is that the disc creates a low-pressure around the base and the sides and blowing it upwards. Also, it's moving very fast so it kinda looks like the clothes mostly float above the disk so maybe the clothes aren't getting the rough beating that it might appear to be. Just a wild theory.

People on THS that own it love it. They say it cleans well and it's not very rough at all. Only time will tell. Mine's coming in the last week of June so I'll get to see it before Helen does :-P


Post# 133396 , Reply# 31   6/5/2006 at 15:09 (6,505 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Bobby, its OK to shower me and tickle my uvular but my kitchen setup has several constraints that only allows me to have a top loader.
If you notice that my washer is on the right side of the dryer and the GE range is on the right side of the washer and depth of all extra capacity front loaders that are
being built today are too deep that it will block the oven door, and since I live on the 3rd floor and the floors are made of wood,
that front loader will shake rattle and disturb my cousin who lives underneath me.
I had a Malber FL testing to see if worked before I put it in my fathers apartment and it was very loud during the spin cycle and
because of this, it steered me far away from owning one.

Jason, you know cars!
I lust love this ole clunker for it fits a whole lot of stuff that would not fit in others.....


Post# 133401 , Reply# 32   6/5/2006 at 15:16 (6,505 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
Ooohhhh

I guess you're getting the black Oasis? I love how the different colors contrast with the inside of the washer.

Yeah, you have a space issue on your hands. Definitely Oasis!

Those Lady K's are pretty righteous too! I really believe the build quality has gone way down on those DD Kenmore machines in the past few years. My mom's machine isn't a year old and already has a loud knock when spinning.


Post# 133407 , Reply# 33   6/5/2006 at 15:51 (6,505 days old) by brettsomers ()        

im having a hard time understanding the physics of that agitator, and how it achieves that "blossoming" or extrusion-like rollover. maybe *designgeek* can help? and that DOES look like a lot of rubbing. kinda like a citrus reamer. i wonder how it would do on a jeans only load? DIRTY jeans. and how about a comforter? and as for risers, unless you have an injured back or arthritis or obese, it seems like just another THING to sell to the unsuspecting public. dont they cost something like 100 bucks? for a simple box/drawer that prolly cost 5 dollars to make?

Post# 133496 , Reply# 34   6/5/2006 at 20:53 (6,505 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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OOOOOOO!!!!! I like!!!! I wonder what mom would do if the Fisher Paykel died a mysterious death....

Post# 133515 , Reply# 35   6/5/2006 at 22:24 (6,505 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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That's definitely very different! The see-sawing sound during agitation was very eerie. And watching the clothes doing their reverse rollover was quite trippy. Reminded me of those old LSD-scare films we watched in junior high.

Thirty years from now these will be the cool, eccentric, highly collectible machines the next generation of washer fanatics will be gushing over.

You GO Jason!!


Post# 133518 , Reply# 36   6/5/2006 at 22:28 (6,505 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

That reverse rollover is pretty creepy and I can see how it can seem like a bad trip. Like some weird monster trying to come out.

Jamie, if the F&P mysteriously died, your mom will probably kick your butt LOL.


Post# 133628 , Reply# 37   6/6/2006 at 07:45 (6,504 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Larry, check the depth of the Duet Sport, said to be shallower than the regular Duet and they supposedly have a slighly different suspension system said to be better for off-foundation installation. And btw, beautiful appliances.

Post# 133657 , Reply# 38   6/6/2006 at 09:39 (6,504 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
OMG TOO LOW WATER LEVEL!!!

How can you imagine to get clothes clean in a V-axis TL with such low water level?!?!?!!?
No, V-axis TL MUST use an agitator and full fill water! Water and energy saving is another thing: TUMBLE WASHING SYTEM!

That's the key to save energy and water... it doesn't matter the duration of the cycles (it isn't up to you to do the wahs, it's up to the washer :-)))

But either front loading, than top loading (Staber there, or any TL here in Europe), that's the right way to wash I think... remeber the women beating the sheets on the river stones in the past???

Unless than you pretreat any stains before put the clothes in the washer, scouring and beating is the right mechanical action in my honest opinion... My Grandma made the hand wash with water, soap and a brush!!! The whitest white was that! Then she bought the washer in the 1958, but whitest white cycle was never done in less than 2 hours of tumbling!

GoodBye
Diomede


Post# 133663 , Reply# 39   6/6/2006 at 10:17 (6,504 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

The people that own the Oasis are saying wonderful things about it. If you have too much water, the clothes will float too high and not touch the disk. Too low and they'll get a beating. So apparently, it figures out how much water to use. My guess is when it does those load sensing spins, it's checking how much current it's taking to spin the basket, and that's how it calculates water.

Post# 133668 , Reply# 40   6/6/2006 at 10:41 (6,504 days old) by agiflow ()        

I hope for the sake of WP/KM that these machines will not be trouble prone like the calypso's seem to have been.

I am glad that many people who have bought these oasis washers seem to like them very much. I think with those high tops and rounded corners these machines have, is very reminisent (sp) of the early 50's KM/WP machines.

I myself prefer the agitator model and like the idea of F&P technology in a Kenmore washer with a porcelain top and lid.

I just wish for what they are selling the agi model for that they would at least throw in a window also.


Post# 133669 , Reply# 41   6/6/2006 at 10:44 (6,504 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

No need for a window. If it's true to F&P design, the lid switch is part of the magnet at the front of the machine where the lid lock is. The lid also has that same oval shaped magnet so I'm guessing that's all it takes. When I opened the lid, I didn't hear the familiar click of a mechanical switch anywhere so I'm guessing that's it.

Post# 133670 , Reply# 42   6/6/2006 at 10:45 (6,504 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

On an F&P you can cut a hole in a credit card and stick that in the lid lock, and you got it.

Post# 133673 , Reply# 43   6/6/2006 at 10:59 (6,504 days old) by bobbyd32l ()        

The Oasis is Manufactured by Whirlpool. The water level is low, but just right. You are all correct about too much water. The clothes will float above the disk, but the disk creates so much movement there isnt a problem. If you have seen Roberts Harmony its works just like that when on bedding mode (fills to the top, and the reverse action is much faster). But other modes use the sensor which works by showering the clothes with COLD water. The water takes time to go through the clothes and when the water reaches the sensor it determines the change in tempreture from cold to more of a warmer temp from obsorbing the temp of the clothes, and amount of time it took for the sensor to get wet. This is how the microprossesor determines how much is in the tub and how much water to fill it with...

KitchenAid Draw dishwasher is the only KA dishwasher manufactured by F&P, others are Whirlpool.

I learned this from the Whirlpool Rep who comes to my store and gives the demo's and training on the new products.



Post# 133676 , Reply# 44   6/6/2006 at 11:09 (6,504 days old) by jaxsunst ()        

How much water does it use for a cycle?

Post# 133685 , Reply# 45   6/6/2006 at 11:27 (6,504 days old) by bobbyd32l ()        

The Oasis uses different numbers of gallons depending on the amount of clothes. IIRC the bedding cycle uses 39 gallons for each cycle. I will find out when I go to work tomorrow!

Post# 133690 , Reply# 46   6/6/2006 at 11:44 (6,504 days old) by kenmorepeter5ab ()        
First Spin

Hi, how are you doing?

Can you make the video about the first spin with clothes & towels from wash to rinse?

Then the final spin....then finish.

-- Peter (kenmorepeter5ab)


Post# 133702 , Reply# 47   6/6/2006 at 12:26 (6,504 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        

The guy that posted the videos said it went out of balance on the spin but I think he will put more up with some spins.

Post# 133720 , Reply# 48   6/6/2006 at 13:42 (6,504 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Now hang on, if clothes are floating it means that they are not wet. Ever seen wet clothes float above the water in a classic toploader? As soon as the whole load is wet it's tend to get under the water level and thus pressing more on the disk. Just like in every other V-axis washer.

Post# 133722 , Reply# 49   6/6/2006 at 13:45 (6,504 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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BTW, forgot to ad, I watched a load being washed in Robert's GE Harmony. The automatic water level system covered the clothes totally although it had a bit of a problem with that in the beginning. But not like the Oasis. I think I would prefer the Harmony over the Oasis.

Post# 134026 , Reply# 50   6/7/2006 at 12:02 (6,503 days old) by designgeek ()        


Brettsomers, thanks for the vote of confidence but I have to say this one has me scratching my head also.

Very interesting to watch, and not at all reminiscent of indigestion. It's so counterintuitive it makes one think they have a little black hole hidden in there somewhere to provide a gravity well:-).

This has me intrigued. I think I'm going to pop in at Sears and take a peek. See if I can see anything that suggests how it does this.

I don't think it causes excessive wear on clothes. They would have had to test that issue during the development stage to avoid a potential product liability problem. Certainly no more wear than a regular agitator, and I think some of those cases are people using the Strong setting when Gentle will do.


Post# 134043 , Reply# 51   6/7/2006 at 13:35 (6,503 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Yes this action looks very similar to my GE Harmony, the poor lonely dear that it is. On my machine the water level would be just a bit higher (on the automatic water level cycles) but what you see in this machine is very similar.

You can manually fill the machine higher with a hose, but the rinse cycle goes back to the original water level, so you have to do it twice.

Good choice Jason, just because something is new and different and maybe less effective, usually means it's more fun and were not all here for performance, we're here for fun!


and Jamie (pulsator) said:
I wonder what mom would do if the Fisher Paykel died a mysterious death

Having a washer-teen in the house Jamie do you really think your mom would think that any washer death would be "mysterious"? LOL -- I tried it with my parents and that '68 Kenmore we had for years and I was always in trouble :)


Post# 134049 , Reply# 52   6/7/2006 at 14:04 (6,503 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
Robert, you MEANIE

You tried to kill a Kenmore? SHAME!

But I bet it refused to die. That's how Kenmores are.

I don't see how the washer would be less effective on clothes. The clothes that are exposed to the disk will get a scrubbing, plus reports on THS are very positive.

Yeah, the fun factor is way up on these machines. A big YAY to Whirlpool for adding a window right at the get go. And this machine is defintely porcelain on top. It's built like a TANK.


Post# 135431 , Reply# 53   6/13/2006 at 17:51 (6,497 days old) by jonv112 ()        
Its me!

Hi, and thanks for watching my videos. If you have any questions concerning the operation of the washer, the cycles, please, feel free to ask. I'll try to answer as descriptively as possible, and if I can, post a video!

Post# 135443 , Reply# 54   6/13/2006 at 19:18 (6,497 days old) by agiflow ()        

I was just on sears website..and i can't seem to find the oasis models listed with the current Kenmore lineup...anyone else see this?

Post# 135445 , Reply# 55   6/13/2006 at 19:30 (6,497 days old) by hairybruinuk ()        
Damp sqib

As we in the UK would say "a bit of a damp sqib"

Post# 135446 , Reply# 56   6/13/2006 at 19:31 (6,497 days old) by agiflow ()        
Hi Jonv112

Liked the videos. Can you see how this "invisible" agitator manages to get it's reverse rollover? It had many here wondering..i am not sure if that was answered or not.

One more question...only because i did not see a full wash cycle. Does this machine manage to thoroughly circulate a large load? The roll-over does seem a little slow. Very different and interesting though.


Post# 135448 , Reply# 57   6/13/2006 at 20:02 (6,497 days old) by jonv112 ()        

Yes, the machine does circulate the load quite thoroughly. The drain water proves it. It was the same, if not dirtier than my old washing machine.


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