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Hotpoint 95490 rebuild
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Post# 890904   7/25/2016 at 15:29 (2,825 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        

After finding that the Hoover Electron was too far gone to be worth rebuilding, there have been a few changes here. Our modern machine has been pensioned off, replaced with a Hoover Logic 1200, which I rebuilt totally around 18 months ago. Acting in a supporting role is our Hotpoint 1509/10, meaning that we are now a fully-retro household.

I like to have a spare machine and have decided that our Bosch V696 should be moved on, plus I wanted an evening project (anybody interested?!). With no Liberators remaining, I placed an eBay bid on an early ‘80’s Hotpoint and won.

After doing some maths, I found that it can be rebuilt entirely for under £100, which I think is a good investment, considering how much new machines go for.

The 95490 is in fairly good condition cosmetically, after spending all of its life in a single old man’s house It is minging though; mould and decades of detergent built-up all over the place. It’s spent the last three years in a garage but it powered up, thankfully, once I got it home.

Apart from needing the usual plastic side and top strips; the fascia is very good, thankfully. I think that the door has been replaced at some point – does anyone have the original silver type for sale? Also, the drum only turns anti-clockwise when there is water in the drum, and turns clockwise when spinning. Is this a common fault?

Pics to follow, as they are on my phone.

R





Post# 890910 , Reply# 1   7/25/2016 at 16:25 (2,824 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
On arrival



Post# 890911 , Reply# 2   7/25/2016 at 16:26 (2,824 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Inside the drawer. Ewwww



Post# 890912 , Reply# 3   7/25/2016 at 16:28 (2,824 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Test wash water - with bits. Yuk!



Post# 890914 , Reply# 4   7/25/2016 at 16:29 (2,824 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Chipped release



Post# 890915 , Reply# 5   7/25/2016 at 16:32 (2,824 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Original dial survived...



Post# 891021 , Reply# 6   7/26/2016 at 06:21 (2,824 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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The expression "look at the muck in 'ere" comes to mind. Good luck though, it'll look fantastic by the time your done.

I got bitten by the Hotpoint bug recently myself, alas I don't have room for anything vintage unfortunately.


Post# 891064 , Reply# 7   7/26/2016 at 08:51 (2,824 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
timer

Yes, it's pretty gross. The first thing that I need to do is sort out the drum only distributing in one direction. I think the timer is at fault.

The timer I have is a 904/2199/03 and there is a new part on e-bay that is a 904/2199/05. Will the eBay part fit my machine, what are the differences? Does anyone have any wiring diagrams, please?

R


Post# 891079 , Reply# 8   7/26/2016 at 11:22 (2,824 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hi Rob

Well done on getting this machine. That is a bit manky but I'm sure it will clean up. I think I have the service manual for this machine so will check and scan if I have. If its like the one for my 9544 then there is a page full of potential motor faults in the manual not that it has helped me sort out mine as of yet!

S


Post# 891082 , Reply# 9   7/26/2016 at 11:35 (2,824 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
cheers steve

A big yes please Steve - I plan to have a little play with the machine later, to see if it will spring into life but I seriously think it's a timer issue...

R


Post# 891214 , Reply# 10   7/27/2016 at 06:15 (2,823 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hi Rob

I have sent you an email with the manual. Hope it helps

S


Post# 891356 , Reply# 11   7/28/2016 at 05:34 (2,822 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Brilliant...

Ace, thanks Steve, there's certainly some bedtime reading there. Usefully, there is an explanation on how to modify the machine to accept an /05 timer.

Does anyone have, or know form where I can obtain, a replacement chrome door? It looks as though this machine has lost its original item at some point...

I've managed to source a second-hand timer and will let you know how I get on with fitting it. Obviously, I need to get the machine running properly, before spending cash on replacing bearings and deadline with the cosmetics...

R


Post# 891366 , Reply# 12   7/28/2016 at 07:31 (2,822 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)        

Hi Rob,

First of all, congratulations on acquiring a lovely example of this New Generation model. I empathise with you regarding the door, allegedly the original hinges weren't strong enough to bear the chrome doors which is why so many have brown replacements. Regardless, the fascia and dial on yours looks great!

I have a 95492 (almond version) waiting in storage for me to collect which has it's chrome door intact. I haven't seen it up close yet but it will need a replacement dispenser handle, luckily I have one of those.

I think I may have a spare /03 timer if you want to keep the machine original? It was removed from a working machine.

Regards, James


Post# 891411 , Reply# 13   7/28/2016 at 11:48 (2,822 days old) by sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hi Rob

You are welcome. Just a thought but would a door from a 95 series dryer fit as you could swap the glass out and these do pop up more frequently on Ebay and Gumtree? You could then resell the dryer if you didn't want it

S


Post# 891830 , Reply# 14   7/31/2016 at 14:53 (2,819 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Follow up

Second-hand timer installed and now the machine isn't doing wierd stuff like not filling on its lower level. But now no motor action. Ran a test and it seems the bodule is toast. Ordered a used one from eBay so see if that sorts it...

Post# 892085 , Reply# 15   8/1/2016 at 17:55 (2,817 days old) by HotpointWMA64 (North Yorkshire)        

What an excellent project! Can't wait to See how this pans out for you! Would love to restore another hotpoint 95 machine (one day when I have the space)

Good luck!

George


Post# 892628 , Reply# 16   8/5/2016 at 12:22 (2,814 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Success(ish)

With a second-hand timer and module installed, the machine now tumbles correctly and spins. I have noticed that the distribute pulses a bit - is that normal?

R


Post# 892629 , Reply# 17   8/5/2016 at 12:38 (2,814 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys)        
distribute

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The tacho will need adjusting, so with wet cloths in the load just sticks to the drum to distribute that should cure the pulses, the outer ring of the tacho on the back of the motor will turn you will have to try rotating it in different directions, one way will slow it down the other speed it up, you need to get it right or the motor will over heat and cut out if its not right.....

Post# 892630 , Reply# 18   8/5/2016 at 12:41 (2,814 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        

Thanks Mr hotpoint95622; it seems to distribute ok, then just has a sudden burst of speed, then slows, the a burst, then slows - it's like it is about to have a fit!! IS that normal?

Post# 892643 , Reply# 19   8/5/2016 at 14:53 (2,814 days old) by Sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hi Rob

Is it doing the same thing as my 9544 in the attached link? Be good to see a video of what its doing to compare. The issue with mine seems to be as described in the bit of the service manual although I've not yet had time to look at it in detail

S


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Post# 892644 , Reply# 20   8/5/2016 at 15:16 (2,814 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        

Hi Steve. No it's not doing quite the same, yours appear to be trying to spin prematurely. Mine is just speeding up momentarily on distribution, not a huge amount but it seems to stutter. Maybe there's some carbon on the tacho?

Post# 892698 , Reply# 21   8/6/2016 at 02:55 (2,813 days old) by Sesteve (London, UK)        

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Hmmmm. Yeah mine has something to do with the heater circuit and induced loads as the manual states - you can hear the relay on the timer click and then it drops back in speed

You could give the tacho a good clean but you also need to check the speed of the motor and adjust the tacho ring as Lee described - the service manuals all say this must be done if you change the module and there was a speed disc available which if I remember you put on for the distribute after a pre wash to check the speed. Hopefully that will sort it out.

S


Post# 892885 , Reply# 22   8/7/2016 at 13:05 (2,812 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Update

Nice one Steve, although I think your spin speed may be increasing a little too fast for it to be induced current. Mine is being erratic on the spin portions when distribution, not when between rinses, oddly.

Last week, I fitted a replacement module, so now the drum turns both ways.

Anyway as an update, over the weekend, I've taken the front plate off, removed the drum and taken the old bearings out. The whole machine has been cleaned out and is now awaiting the new parts.

Unfortunately, the drum pulley is cracked. Does anyone have a replacement? Pics to follow...


Post# 892886 , Reply# 23   8/7/2016 at 13:13 (2,812 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Pic before



Post# 892891 , Reply# 24   8/7/2016 at 13:34 (2,812 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Bearing seal, which had gone hard and was letting in water..



Post# 892892 , Reply# 25   8/7/2016 at 13:36 (2,812 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
From the other side



Post# 892893 , Reply# 26   8/7/2016 at 13:37 (2,812 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
After



Post# 892894 , Reply# 27   8/7/2016 at 13:38 (2,812 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Inside the cabinet



Post# 892895 , Reply# 28   8/7/2016 at 13:39 (2,812 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
But...

I need a replacement drum pulley. Does anyone have a spare in their spares stash, please?

Post# 893104 , Reply# 29   8/9/2016 at 04:24 (2,810 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
bump....

Can anyone help with a second-hand pulley at all, please? I **think** they are common with the WM series; does anyone know?

Post# 893532 , Reply# 30   8/11/2016 at 14:50 (2,808 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Spider replaces

While I await a replacement pulley, I replaces the drum spider. It was pretty rotten and holed in a few places...

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Post# 893533 , Reply# 31   8/11/2016 at 14:52 (2,808 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
New spider fitted



Post# 893534 , Reply# 32   8/11/2016 at 14:53 (2,808 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Pic of old spider

Ewwww

Post# 894032 , Reply# 33   8/15/2016 at 14:23 (2,804 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Re

Bearings pressed in easily, the drum was reluctant to go in, so I have it a tap with the palm of my hand and dented the back of the drum. Whoops!!

R


Post# 895091 , Reply# 34   8/22/2016 at 15:39 (2,797 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Update

As a little update, a secondhand pulley was bolted on and the machine reassembled. It seems to work OK. I'll take some further pics of the final result. Meanwhile I put some extra insulation on the timer wiring...

Post# 895610 , Reply# 35   8/25/2016 at 06:06 (2,794 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
Almost there

The machine is reassembled and back together. I quick go-over with an automotive paint cutting compound (G3) brought up the outer case like new.

Post# 895612 , Reply# 36   8/25/2016 at 06:13 (2,794 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
kick strip

Most parts used were new; The kick strip was faded and wouldn't clean up but a new one is a self-adhesive strip and a few minutes using a fan heater softened the old, brittle original item enough so it peeled off.

The fascia (pictured) just needed a clean and a small hairline crack gluing on the very top edge.



Post# 895614 , Reply# 37   8/25/2016 at 06:27 (2,794 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
final(ish) costs

The rest of the machine has come up pretty well, although I could do with a replacement upper door seal retainer, as the pictured one is a bit tatty. Are they still available new?

I also could do with a chrome door and some plastic trim strips for the lid to finish it off but at least I have a functional machine.

BUT: How much did it cost to buy and do up?

1. Purchase £26.00
2. Second-hand timer £16.00
3. Second-hand module £5.00
4. New door handle kit £4.74
5. Side trims (new) £4.96
6. New drum spider and bearings £21.00
7. Motor brushes (genuine, new) £4.99
8. New genuine door gasket (a lucky eBay find) £6.00
9. Front half tub gasket (new) £3.95
10. Belt (new, genuine) £3.69

The total is £96.33; so I have met the aim of reconditioning the machine properly for under a hundred quid – although with the lid strips still to get, that may just tip it over budget.

However, with a brand-new basic 5kg 1000 spin washing machine costing £150 from Currys (although some branded machines of this specification start at £200 ish), is it really that good value? Only time will tell...

R


Post# 895615 , Reply# 38   8/25/2016 at 06:28 (2,794 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
door seal retainer

Are these still available? This one has discoloured and is flaky...

R


Post# 895736 , Reply# 39   8/25/2016 at 19:37 (2,793 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)        
Great work Rob

I will check if I have any seal retainers that are better than those you have.

And that door seal was indeed a great find, I've not thought to nor not even tried to find a genuine seal with hotpoint on it. Otherwise I've used parts I've had to hand or bought when they've been on offer through the wholesalers. I have to admire your attention to detail,something matchboxpaul put into his restorations, I've more often got things working and cleaned/polished up with the intention to get back and do the detail another time, which of course never comes.

mathew


Post# 895825 , Reply# 40   8/26/2016 at 09:58 (2,793 days old) by triumphtoledo (Shropshire/Worcestershire)        
re

Thanks Mathew;
I forgot to thank-you formally for sending the free drum pulley and I forgot to add the kick strip to my costing calculations, which adds £10.

Also, cheers for your kind comments - having the machine in presentable condition is quite important if it has to serve in a household. I'll do a few loads in it and report back - the old Logic appears to be working fine at the mo!

R


Post# 895911 , Reply# 41   8/27/2016 at 06:53 (2,792 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Rob.
Congratulations on a great machine restoration. Your 95490 has scrubbed up really well.

As Mathew alludes to above, I have been involved in a couple of 95 clean-ups and have experienced the delights of cracks in fascia's, broken/missing side and lid strips, dodgy replacement dials and the obligatory corner missing from the top of the door handle.

The latter can be found on most manual door release 95's and even my parents 95452, which was never roughly treated, boasted this non-standard feature. It all add's to the character! :-)

I too would have offered a replacement pulley, but we are going through a house rebuild at the moment and all the spare parts are packed away in storage. Thankfully Mathew came up trumps.
Likewise with door seal retainers - we have a handful in storage, but can't get to them. I also can't vouch for the quality of them, as they were removed from a handful of parted out machines and I remember at least one set being a bit rough.

Glad you managed to source new side strips - have you found any lid strips yet?
The replacements I apply to my machines are blu-tacked on, so that if they get caught, they will hopefully just pull off rather than break off.
Also, if the machine is moved, it makes the job less stressful - although you still have the fascia to worry about!

Paul



Post# 895960 , Reply# 42   8/27/2016 at 15:20 (2,792 days old) by triumphdolomite (Staffs(UK))        

Well done Rob, that's looking very smart. I swear by G3 too, usually followed by a good dose of Autoglym.
Ian.



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