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Post# 133278 6/5/2006 at 11:15 (6,533 days old) by bajaespuma  (Connecticut) |
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Mon dieu! Well, I went to Paris in 1978 to study French and that I did. Met a woman who introduced me to the wonders of Miele (she pronounced it "Mee-yell", like French Honey). Anyway, turns out Paris had (and has) some humdingers of appliance stores (boutiques d'Electromenagers). One of them sold a familiar American brand. This is one of the coolest brochures in my collection. The "door" of this machine actually folds down:
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Post# 133279 , Reply# 1 6/5/2006 at 11:15 (6,533 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 133280 , Reply# 2 6/5/2006 at 11:17 (6,533 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 133281 , Reply# 3 6/5/2006 at 11:18 (6,533 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 133282 , Reply# 4 6/5/2006 at 11:22 (6,533 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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| Post# 133289 , Reply# 5 6/5/2006 at 11:42 (6,533 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston) | ||
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Filter and motor are different. Interesting. Bobby in Boston | ||
| Post# 133290 , Reply# 6 6/5/2006 at 11:48 (6,533 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN) | ||
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C'est Magnifique Merci boucoup! | ||
| Post# 133313 , Reply# 7 6/5/2006 at 12:54 (6,532 days old) by vivalalavatrice () | ||
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Celle là c'est ma deuxieme langue! ou troixieme? Bien dit monsieur! Une merveilleuse machine lave-vaisselle! Tres amusent... A bien tot! Diomede | ||
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Post# 133324 , Reply# 8 6/5/2006 at 13:17 (6,532 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 133325 , Reply# 9 6/5/2006 at 13:18 (6,532 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 133342 , Reply# 10 6/5/2006 at 13:55 (6,532 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 133344 , Reply# 11 6/5/2006 at 13:58 (6,532 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN) | ||
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I want the dishwasher with the boobie painted on it. | ||
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Post# 133395 , Reply# 12 6/5/2006 at 15:07 (6,532 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 133403 , Reply# 13 6/5/2006 at 15:32 (6,532 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN) | ||
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To me it is :-D | ||
| Post# 133431 , Reply# 14 6/5/2006 at 16:37 (6,532 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL) | ||
It's odd that the cycles aren't grouped with "Daily Use" and "Party" titles since the rest of the control panel's plastic insert is identical to US models. The filter almost looks like its from a Hobart commercial undercounter machine. I wonder if the heating element in the sump gets hotter than at North American voltage and so the plastic coarse strainer needed to be up out of the sump. And of course that's a DC motor. I'm pretty sure though, that all US 15-17A series (and possibly earlier) used a pressure switch to guard against overflow (this changed to a float starting on the 18). How cool, thanks for scanning! T. | ||
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Post# 133453 , Reply# 15 6/5/2006 at 17:09 (6,532 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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AC/DC | ||
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Post# 133465 , Reply# 16 6/5/2006 at 18:19 (6,532 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 133477 , Reply# 17 6/5/2006 at 20:01 (6,532 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 133651 , Reply# 19 6/6/2006 at 09:14 (6,532 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL) | ||
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I'll tell you why it's a DC motor--because apparently I can't type a physics test passage about DC current and look at discussomat at the same time. Of course it's not a DC motor. It's a 220V motor. It looks about half the height of the US motor. And according to the brochure it's 1/3 (probably metric) hp (1 US hp=0.986 metric hp) and 2840 rpm vs. 3450 rpm of the US motor. I wonder if there was any difference in the pump design to compensate for the slower motor? Also according to the brochure, the water heater seems to be 3000W. US heating element was 1400W, so that probably does explain the filter's design. Greg-you must be right, this machine must use a cold water inlet. (And wouldn't that have to be so, if KA expected to be taken seriously in Europe?) I note that at 1100W, the drying element is the same as US. That control panel must have seemed gaudy as hell in Europe. T. | ||
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Post# 133656 , Reply# 20 6/6/2006 at 09:38 (6,532 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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I never knew KA was sold in Europe even back then. I'm guessing that they were probably very expensive, considering that KA itself over here was a premium brand, add to that the modifications, shipping, import duties and selling to a niche market where the saturation level of dw ownership was probably lower than in the US and Canada for that time period.
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Post# 133667 , Reply# 21 6/6/2006 at 10:37 (6,532 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 133675 , Reply# 22 6/6/2006 at 11:08 (6,532 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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It figures those bastards would sell the stainless steel models over there while "Tri-Dura" coating (although, I must admit, it WAS sooo pretty--I'll never forget the day our first KitchenAid KCS-17A was delivered and I opened it and saw that beautiful speckled blue and white porcelain tank proudly badged with the US Steel emblem of quality--ahhhh!) was good enough for US. A couple of notes: 1. The gaudy design on the front panel was just a weird French ad gimmick. 2. With Miele's and Siemens and Boschs and Phillips available with stainless steel tanks and all the rest why would any moneyed European want to spend a premium on an American dishwasher??? 
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| Post# 133689 , Reply# 23 6/6/2006 at 11:37 (6,532 days old) by agiflow () | ||
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The same reason i guess people in this country will pay a premium for a Miele dw or washer. Quality. | ||
| Post# 133709 , Reply# 24 6/6/2006 at 13:01 (6,531 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL) | ||
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Stainless interiors
Superbas were allegedly available in the US with stainless interiors for a number of years. I'm not sure what series that started with, but the 18-series manual was the last to mention the care of the stainless interior. I'm guessing that the price premium was more than anyone wanted to spend, because I've never seen one in person--only the picture of the one John L. has in his warehouse. I've never even seen a listing for a stainless tank or inner door in parts catalogs. The tanks and doors were identical to the ones Hobart made for their commercial undercounter machines. The commercial inner door even had stampings for the home-version detergent and rinse aid dispensers. And as far as the gaudy panel, I meant the "Buick Estate Wagon" woodgrain-and-chrome of the control panel. Definitely the polar opposite of the Bauhaus-austere controls of a European machine. T. | ||
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Post# 133710 , Reply# 25 6/6/2006 at 13:09 (6,531 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 133712 , Reply# 26 6/6/2006 at 13:15 (6,531 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 133727 , Reply# 27 6/6/2006 at 14:02 (6,531 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Your wish is my command.... | ||
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Post# 133728 , Reply# 28 6/6/2006 at 14:03 (6,531 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 133736 , Reply# 29 6/6/2006 at 14:18 (6,531 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Buick Estate Wagon - hee hee!
KA Superbas were available in the US with a stainless steel interior, by special order. I believe the guys in Maryland have one in their collection but I'm not sure what series it is. Back to the pretty woodgrain panel, a collector in Cleveland has a KDS-16 in his kitchen that he removed the woodgrain plastic from, cleaned and polished the metal underneath and it looks hot! It makes the machine look better than the new models today. He also twisted each one of the arms of the Hydro-Sweep just a hair to the left making it spin much faster - it changed the water sounds almost completely. I was a bit skeptical about how it would change the angle of water reaching the top rack but he said it cleans as well or better than before. I've read in Appliance Magazine that U.S. made refrigerators - especially the monster side-by-sides are very popular in the Euro market. Perhaps it was the same for a few of our other appliances as well. Louis, do you have any idea what the water consumption would have been for the Miele of that era? | ||
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Post# 133738 , Reply# 30 6/6/2006 at 14:29 (6,531 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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A lot!!
My brochures don't go further back than the early eighties, but that are the pretty much the same machines. A Miele dishwasher from 1981 would use 51 litres or 13.5 gallons for a normal cycle. I think a normal cycle had a prerinse, wash, rinse and last rinse. Temperature of the main wash and of the last rinse 65*C or 150*F
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Post# 133741 , Reply# 31 6/6/2006 at 14:34 (6,531 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 133752 , Reply# 32 6/6/2006 at 14:51 (6,531 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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It doesn't look like my 17A has them. | ||
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Post# 133756 , Reply# 33 6/6/2006 at 14:52 (6,531 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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I'll try again. | ||
| Post# 133761 , Reply# 34 6/6/2006 at 15:00 (6,531 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL) | ||
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The 15, 16, and early 17 series machines had pins out to the outboard edge of the rack. Somewhere in the 17 series they eliminated the outermost pins to make room for wider things like baking pans. The rack pictured is from before they did that. The brochure seems to be dated 9/71, which would about coincide with the intoduction of the 17 series. T. | ||
| Post# 133791 , Reply# 35 6/6/2006 at 16:21 (6,531 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL) | ||
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Rinsed Only | ||
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Post# 133806 , Reply# 36 6/6/2006 at 17:46 (6,531 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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You folks don't miss a trick. I have a complete Miele catalogue from the same trip, same year. It is 36 pages so it will take me some time to scan. It is amazing, though how contemporary their stuff from 1977 looks. Like Mercedes Benz, they haven't changed their basic design precepts for what looks like decades. What does that say about US? | ||
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Post# 133808 , Reply# 37 6/6/2006 at 17:55 (6,531 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Oh, and as far as that
If you read the features for the French Superba, I believe that what would have been the "rinsed only" light for the American models has become an alert light for when the user has neglected to recharge the internal water softener with new salt: "Voyant de regeneration. S'allume afin que vous n'omettiez pas de mettre du sel dans le bac de l'adoucisseur". ...well, there it is, plain as day. Merde. | ||
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Post# 133848 , Reply# 38 6/6/2006 at 20:58 (6,531 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 133931 , Reply# 39 6/7/2006 at 00:26 (6,531 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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