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Thread Number: 66627
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
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Post# 892762 8/6/2016 at 16:17 (2,813 days old) by Stopmeister72  (Irving, TX) |
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There is a whirlpool Cabrio at a salon I clean( don't have the model number right now) that is around 4 or 5 years old. For awhile it has not been filling by sensing but rather a higher default level.
This morning on the super wash cycle it was making some different sounds rhythmically. Opened it up to find small mildew specks all over the balance ring and junk in the water. From what I can see peeking through the inch of lid I can raise, the impeller was going in one direction, tub movement was erratic, water was splashing up. Thought it may be trying to spin and wash at the same time but I think with the water rotating in one direction, when you hit stop the water causes the tub to turn and had to wait for it to stop before the lid would unlock. But it didn't do it on a regular cycle or the bulky cycle. Tried the super wash again after the other two, same thing. The mold issue I figured it knocked it loose then splashed it up. I know there is mildew growing around the balance rings and tub. I've run bleach through the clean washer cycle and have poured the solution over the balance ring in the past. They only wash in cold but the hot is not even Luke warm. So what could be causing the erratic wash motions? I can't remember what it was, but a few weeks ago it acted weird on a drain and spin cycle. But it only did it once so just thought it was a fluke. Figure it's time is limited and will suggest she get a speed queen. I'll post the model number tomorrow when I go up. Might can get a little video through the crack. | ||
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| Post# 892767 , Reply# 1 8/6/2016 at 17:15 (2,813 days old) by Goblues15 (manchester) | ||
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Cabrio were the WORST whirlpool product made. mine after a few years had to be serviced to the point where i gave up and bought a Samsung front load. | ||
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Post# 892773 , Reply# 2 8/6/2016 at 18:12 (2,813 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 892863 , Reply# 4 8/7/2016 at 09:56 (2,812 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Almost forgot, also on Normal, it static fills for the wash, as if on hand wash. No more slow spin fill. Same fore wrinkle control cycle. I have ran it through the recalibration operation as prescribed by the service tech. periodically. Made no difference. | ||
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Post# 893066 , Reply# 5 8/8/2016 at 20:40 (2,811 days old) by Stopmeister72 (Irving, TX) |
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Model
Looks like it's belt driven
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Post# 893068 , Reply# 6 8/8/2016 at 20:53 (2,811 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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2010 model year. Produced 5th week of 2011. I don't have direct experience with these machines but some trouble points I've seen discussed: - The anchor bolt loosens on the main drive pulley (needs blue Loctite on it to secure better?). - The mode shifter, which includes RPM sensor, is bad (although that usually throws a fault code). | ||
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Post# 893071 , Reply# 7 8/8/2016 at 21:18 (2,811 days old) by Stopmeister72 (Irving, TX) |
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Part 16?
Is the mode shifter the same as the "actuator" #16?
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| Post# 893073 , Reply# 8 8/8/2016 at 21:24 (2,811 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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mine had a bad cap on the PC board a 2010 VMW cabrio I bought for repair had a bad capacitor on the control board-caused among other effects,motor to buzz and get hot as it tried to start. | ||
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Post# 893077 , Reply# 9 8/8/2016 at 21:32 (2,811 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland ) |
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Are you able to put it in to service mode? There should be some stored fault codes. | ||
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Post# 893080 , Reply# 10 8/8/2016 at 22:09 (2,811 days old) by Stopmeister72 (Irving, TX) |
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Service mode | ||
| Post# 893165 , Reply# 13 8/9/2016 at 11:12 (2,810 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
The belt-drive VMW design for the Cabrio, while fairly mechanically simple, was never a good choice for the HE versions of WP's washers. It works brilliantly for the conventional agitator models like my WTW4800, which is basically a DirectDrive from back in the day only with a more modern look and the drive system you have in this machine. The reason it was horrible as a wash plate model is the lack of water level control and a very simple, ineffective load sensing system, along with the added stress on the splutch and gear case because of low water washing.
The true Cabrio's design is nothing at all like the machine you have here, aside from cosmetic similarities, which consequently has started this confusion between the two machines, and has tarnished the reputation of the true Cabrio/Oasis/Bravos XL designs, which are very well designed and work beautifully when used properly. Your service manual for this machine may actually be attached to the front left of the cabinet, on the interior of the machine. You should be able to look under the lid opening and see it adhered in a little plastic envelope. The sequence that Lorainfurniture described is the same as my 4800, and should be for your machine as well because they share the same control board. At $40-50 dollars for the shift actuator, and with the simplicity of the replacement process, in my opinion it's not a bad idea to repair so long as the machine has no other mechanical issues. They aren't terrible washers despite what some would say, but you just have to make sure not to overload, and because of using it in a salon setting, just keep it set at the Hot setting with any extra rinse options you can use. Even if the water is tempered down, warm water is better than cold for keeping any residues and crud down to a minimum. | ||
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Post# 893939 , Reply# 15 8/14/2016 at 20:05 (2,805 days old) by Stopmeister72 (Irving, TX) |
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Super wash video
Here is a video of the troubled cycle. Notice how it starts in both directions but sounds bogged down then goes into one direction only.
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Post# 893940 , Reply# 16 8/14/2016 at 20:10 (2,805 days old) by Stopmeister72 (Irving, TX) |
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Regular cycle ok
Here is a vid of the regular cycle. Works ok on this one, delicate, short and bulky. Haven't tried the others. My question is wouldn't be something wrong with a circuit board instead of the actuator if it only does it on one cycle?
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Post# 893941 , Reply# 17 8/14/2016 at 20:13 (2,805 days old) by Stopmeister72 (Irving, TX) |
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While im here
Here's some pics of the floors i spent 24 hours stripping and waxing. Glad they are done!😄👍
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| Post# 893961 , Reply# 18 8/14/2016 at 23:32 (2,805 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
Wow | ||
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Post# 893966 , Reply# 19 8/15/2016 at 01:11 (2,805 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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I don't think the mode shifter is involved in this problem, assuming I understand its function, which is changing the drive mechanism between agitation (only the impeller rotates) and spin (the basket and impeller are locked together so both are driven by the motor). I suppose a key to the diagnosis is whether the motor is reversing during agitation as it should be, or turning in only one direction. If the motor is reversing but the impeller is not, then the transmission may be at fault. | ||
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