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Thread Number: 67093
/ Tag: Vintage Dishwashers
Dishwashers. Consumer Reports. May 1974 |
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Post# 897979 , Reply# 2 9/9/2016 at 18:48 (2,775 days old) by Frigilux  (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Thanks for the CR scans, Steve! Love to read back issues of CR. We had a 1974 Lady Kenmore. I had to chuckle when they mentioned the Sears dishwasher developed rust spots quickly. Ours rusted out very quickly. Had fun with the Roto-Rack, though.
Also of its time: "...used only 11 gallons of water." The average back then was 14 gallons. Most use 4-5 these days, although that comes with the downside of much longer cycle times. This post was last edited 09/09/2016 at 21:16 | ||
| Post# 897982 , Reply# 3 9/9/2016 at 19:02 (2,775 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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They look a little blurry. I 'll try see if I can reload them but clearer. | ||
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Post# 898001 , Reply# 4 9/9/2016 at 19:54 (2,775 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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Is there a way to enlarge the text? I would love to re-read this. I clearly remember the cover. | ||
| Post# 898006 , Reply# 5 9/9/2016 at 20:06 (2,775 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 898008 , Reply# 6 9/9/2016 at 20:07 (2,775 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 898009 , Reply# 7 9/9/2016 at 20:08 (2,775 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 898010 , Reply# 8 9/9/2016 at 20:09 (2,775 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 898012 , Reply# 9 9/9/2016 at 20:09 (2,775 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 898013 , Reply# 10 9/9/2016 at 20:11 (2,775 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Post# 898022 , Reply# 11 9/9/2016 at 21:19 (2,775 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 898024 , Reply# 12 9/9/2016 at 21:29 (2,775 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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You're welcome. Enjoy. | ||
| Post# 898049 , Reply# 13 9/10/2016 at 00:15 (2,774 days old) by ilovewindex (Tualitan OR) | ||
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| Post# 898053 , Reply# 14 9/10/2016 at 00:46 (2,774 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Thanks for the scans!
Wonder why they did not test the KDS-17 with internal heater instead of the KDI-17?
Isn't the Whirlpool mentioned in the test the model that Robert just found?
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Post# 898086 , Reply# 16 9/10/2016 at 08:21 (2,774 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Consumer Reports!! | ||
| Post# 898097 , Reply# 18 9/10/2016 at 09:42 (2,774 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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I had a GM Frigidaire dishwasher in an apartment I lived in in 1980, and it was an older gold color model, from the 70's. It washed well. | ||
| Post# 898102 , Reply# 19 9/10/2016 at 09:56 (2,774 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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But they were ruled "not acceptable" !!!! Lol !! Did it ever run with the door open? | ||
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Post# 898168 , Reply# 22 9/10/2016 at 19:38 (2,774 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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Whitetub, thank you very much. CR was much better then. | ||
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Post# 898169 , Reply# 23 9/10/2016 at 19:40 (2,774 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA) |
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Guys a brilliant idea! What if we did a survey showing the percentage of members who read/re-read the article. We could then send it to CU and say "see we told you, the old style was way better"" | ||
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Post# 898170 , Reply# 24 9/10/2016 at 19:44 (2,774 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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| Post# 898208 , Reply# 25 9/11/2016 at 05:59 (2,773 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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No, that Frigidaire never ran with the door open. | ||
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Post# 898221 , Reply# 27 9/11/2016 at 08:36 (2,773 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 898224 , Reply# 28 9/11/2016 at 09:41 (2,773 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Although I understand why CR said, "No, no, no" to the Frigidaires that could spray 150 degree water and Cascade in the face of a child who opened the door (not that any of us would have done that when we were kids, right?)....but it sure would have been nice to read their take on those machines. Frigidaires were all over the town I grew up in. Most were very rusted and I heard a number of complaints about cleaning ability.
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Post# 898226 , Reply# 29 9/11/2016 at 10:27 (2,773 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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CRs 1974 Report On Built-In DWs While I enjoy reading these older CRs I feel that this particular report was far from giving great advice to the average DW buyer.
The main reason that the MT WU400 was top rated was low energy usage, it was poor at washing flat ware, so-so at drying and CRs own tests showed the WP and KA DW were better at both these important tasks.
One of my other big grips with the report was it was ridiculous to put a lasagne casserole in the WP DW and show the noodles all over the filter afterwards and down rate the DW as a result. The large flat filter in the WP DW was self-cleaning, of all the hundreds of WP DWs like this that I serviced over the years I never saw a dirty filter in one. All the user had to do was empty the removable trap and dump it in the trash. Had they done the same test with the MT or KA there would have also been a big mess to clean up. Probably the only DW in this test that would have gotten rid of all the noodles would have been the D&M built KM DW.
I have also always had a beef with CRs saying the ratings order are in order of [ estimated overall quality ] To put a cheap builder quality GE plastol tub DW in the same class as a KA was ridiculous. Anyone with a little knowledge of DWs and history of appliance longevity could tell that a KA DW would have approximately twice the life expectancy of GE DW [ and several other DWs in this test ].
Also as Tom mentioned the other big fault in CRs DW tests was that they only tested them with dishes which is an acceptable test for users that only wash dishes [ no big bowls, pots and pans, roasting pans etc ] but without a full wash-arm under each rack a DW will always have serious limitations in its ability to wash all kinds of kitchen items.
This is why there is no serious DW built today that does not have dual wash arms under each rack, CRs should have been able to realize this in 1974 and before.
John L. | ||
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Post# 898227 , Reply# 30 9/11/2016 at 10:28 (2,773 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Glenn, That just demonstrated their limited brain power for which two cells occasionally banging into one another was sufficient.
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Post# 898232 , Reply# 31 9/11/2016 at 11:27 (2,773 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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 CU did not test the machines with water blocking items in the lower rack
Of course not. Why that would have revealed the horrible design weakness of one-arm wonder KithcnAids. Heaven forbid what was perceived the bestest premium dishwasher couldn't withstand applications that household used their dishwashers for. I cannot tell you how many times I'd notice friends of my parents who had these dishwashers washing pots, pans, mixing bowls, casserole dishes. And as even a 11-12 y/o kid making a comment such as "well, if you had a ... (GE, Whirlpool, Kenmore rotorack, or Waste King after 1962), you wouldn't have to be washing all those ... by hand. You'd have a dishwasher that could wash all these." And the looks I'd get. but I didn't care. One of my mom's favorite party/dinner party entrees was lasagna. With the Waste King I loaded up the two-part pasta pot, mixing bowls, sauce pan, and ... and let them all be washed in the Waste King. All the prep items were washed, dried, and put away by the time company came--all automatically. My mom dreaded washing stuff by hand as much as I do to this day. And I'd do the same at friends' house who had one of those KA dishwashers. I dreaded loading after dinner at houses that had KAs because you had to be careful how things were loaded. I'm so glad that multi-level designs started being the norm by the time I was 9 or 10 and became fully aware of loading dishwashers. What I found "interesting" was more people who had Spin Tube machines, they were replaced with Maytag, GE, or WP before KA. I'd ask why and the reply was always something to the effect you can put glasses and bowls in both racks and fill it up rather than having the machine half-full when the top rack was full. And I witnessed many half-full KAs being run too. | ||
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Post# 898394 , Reply# 33 9/12/2016 at 14:39 (2,772 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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 Thanks for posting these scans! I've really enjoyed reading this thread!!
It brings back the memory of my late mother really tearing a strip off the salesperson at the Eaton's Pointe-Claire store back in 1978 when shopping for a new dishwasher... She really let them have it when it was suggested that the KDR67 was the best machine to buy - her big objection was the one wash arm (and we were replacing an impeller-wash machine) so she basically told the fella where he could put that Hydrosweep. We bought a GE Potscrubber... | ||
| Post# 898484 , Reply# 35 9/12/2016 at 22:32 (2,772 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
 It's strange to see what they complained about with the "unacceptable" Wards and Frigidaire dishwashers!
While it's true that the lock lever could be tricked to allow the dishwasher to run with the door open, I can say it's not that easy to do and I can't see what's so terrible or dangerous about that! I can say that many dishwashers like the later Whirlpool models with the plastic door release were much more likely to have door switch issues and unintentional operation while the door was open!
Not that there isn't anything to complain about the Frigidaire dishwashers from this period but I wish they had at least taken the time to rate their dish washing abilities... | ||
| Post# 898565 , Reply# 37 9/13/2016 at 11:00 (2,771 days old) by A440 () | ||
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Steve, Interesting about the Whirlpool dryer "defect". Over the years CR has made the exact mistakes many times here in the US on Appliances, cars, and electronics that were exactly the same but had different name badges. | ||
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