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Thread Number: 67412
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Hoovermatic saved from the tip |
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| Post# 901391 10/1/2016 at 15:28 (2,756 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
Hi all
this machine was in a bungalow that some friends of mine just bought .the bungalow had belonged to an old lady and had been sold after her death complete with all its contents .The Hoovermatic was in the corner of the kitchen with 1960s kitchen units built around it in such a way that it could not have been moved without removing some of the units .Part of the FORMICA worktop was hinged and had a clasp fixed to the wall to keep it up while the machine was in use access to the control on the front was through a drawer front that was also hinged to drop down.The whole thing was so well made that we didnt even know the machine was there till we started to dismantle the kitchen.It was destined for the tip along with an old gas stove and an Ascot water heater.I asked if i could have the machine and was told yes as long as you get the thing out yourself.The machine was literally stuck to the wall with cobwebs but i got it out and into my car and its now in its new home [my shed]I can only imagine that the machine may of stopped working and rather than pull the kitchen to bits the owners decided to just leave it where it was.Apart fron the surface rust on the cabinet its in very good condition of course everything is seized up nothing will move at least not yet.I havnt had the back of yet but i have had a look underneath and all the rubber hoses still feel quite supple.The old round pin plug gives some indication of when the machine was last used.Another odd thing is the length of the mains lead [6mtres]I have never seen a tt with such a long flex .Yes i can hear you all saying nothing unusual there someone must have fitted a long lead to it.The unusual thing is that the cable has not been changed and is genuine ribbed Hoover cable [same colour as the cabinet base 
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| Post# 901392 , Reply# 1 10/1/2016 at 15:29 (2,756 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 901397 , Reply# 6 10/1/2016 at 15:36 (2,756 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 901474 , Reply# 7 10/2/2016 at 08:15 (2,755 days old) by Keymatic (London / UK) | ||
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| Post# 901507 , Reply# 8 10/2/2016 at 13:14 (2,755 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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Did a bit more investigating today and evicted hoards of spiders [they have all taken up residence in my shed hoover.Well all i can say is i have seen worse on newer machines .A couple of perished hoses but apart from that its not to bad the only real problem is the spin motor armature [its toast]Both pumps were full of crap but they have cleaned up nicely .The pulsator was stuck fast but that also has freed up and after a clean and a lube is running smoothly.the water valve was full of dried soap i usually soak anything like this in hot water with a dishwasher tablet .Thats it for now guys will do a little more tmro heres a few more photos .Anyone in the UK got an armature they want to sell ?
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| Post# 901508 , Reply# 9 10/2/2016 at 13:14 (2,755 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 901509 , Reply# 10 10/2/2016 at 13:15 (2,755 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 901510 , Reply# 11 10/2/2016 at 13:18 (2,755 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 901511 , Reply# 12 10/2/2016 at 13:20 (2,755 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 901512 , Reply# 13 10/2/2016 at 13:23 (2,755 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 901513 , Reply# 14 10/2/2016 at 13:24 (2,755 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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outer spin chamber | ||
| Post# 901637 , Reply# 15 10/3/2016 at 15:48 (2,754 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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no luck with the armature | ||
| Post# 901719 , Reply# 16 10/4/2016 at 08:48 (2,753 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK) | ||
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Hi Anthony I can't maker any promises, but I do have a box of boxed armatures and coils from this era of machines, I can't say without checking whether or not I have one, if I do, you're welcome to one. Mathew | ||
| Post# 901753 , Reply# 17 10/4/2016 at 12:52 (2,753 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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thank you Keymatic
that would be great if you had one .I have trawled the internet searching for one but so far had no luck .I have also thought about fitting something else in its place .If i can get the motor working i am going to strip the machine and restore it After some 40 years of fixing these things for a living its great to be able to take my time and do a full restore instead of working against the clock to get a machine back to its owner
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| Post# 902274 , Reply# 18 10/8/2016 at 13:00 (2,749 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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everything out
Decided to do a full strip down on this machine .In almost 40 years of working on these things i have never gone this far with a strip down but i decided i wanted to give it a really good clean inside and out before i paint it .today i have applied some car body repair filler to the bottom of the outer spin can [inside and out ]as there was an old repair that didn't look to good .its now water tight. A few weeks ago i painted my front door a rather nice shade of blue that just happens to be almost the same colour as the base of the Hoovermatic so i will be giving it a couple of coats of that before it goes back on. Here is a couple of photos to be going on with
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| Post# 902275 , Reply# 19 10/8/2016 at 13:01 (2,749 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 902509 , Reply# 25 10/10/2016 at 14:20 (2,747 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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Post# 902515 , Reply# 26 10/10/2016 at 14:54 (2,747 days old) by chestermikeuk  (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hoovermatic
Hi Anthony well done for getting stuck in with the restore, have never seen one apart like that before, look forward to seeing and reading how it goes, I do have a spinner motor untested from a scrapper if the armature from Mathew is not suitable, inbox me where you are in UK and will see what we can do..good idea with the spin cans which are prone to holes with the caustic detergents.Did you work for a Hoover dealer then or on all machines ?
All The Best with your restore !! 
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| Post# 902533 , Reply# 27 10/10/2016 at 16:59 (2,747 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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Hi chestermikeuk
The one in the photo looks to be in great nick.The outer spin can just had one or two tiny pin prick holes in it .I have seen them in much worse condition i put this down not rinsing the thing out when finished washing .I have gone well up the sides of the spin can with the car filler and as i said earlier the inside is shaped so the water will always flow towards the drain hole.Today the base has had a coat of blue paint and the inside of the casing has been painted white .The rust was only surface stuff a scrub with a brillo pad removed most of it .I have also coated the resilient bearing rubber part in black bostik whilst its not damaged this will give it some extra protection .The spin can to pump hose has a crack in it but this is not a problem it can be replaced with a cut down sump hose from an old auto washer.To answer your question [did i work for Hoover ]No I worked for a company called HC TROLDHAL[ there parent company being General Motors ]There main machines were Frigidaire but they were agents for Hoover Electrolux Hotpoint and a few other long gone manufacturers.I started as an apprentice back in 1973.I spent most of my apprenticeship with an engineer visiting peoples homes repairing machines so yes i have seen it all.Two days a week i would be sent to the local CO OP to spend the day repairing guarantee stuff that had come back to the shop with a fault there would be lots of machines [washers and vacs]that had been traded in for newer models i would fit new parts or take parts from one and fit them to another to get them working they would then be sold as reconditioned.There was literally tons of stuff scrapped just to make space for more some of those machines quite rare now.I of course could take what i wanted with in reason i remember at one tim i had 14 frigidaire spin dryers in the shed along with no end of vacs.I have ranted on long enough .Thanks for the offer of the motor i would be most interested but lets see what Mathew comes up with first
regards Anthony | ||
| Post# 902645 , Reply# 28 10/11/2016 at 10:00 (2,746 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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a bit of painting
got the base and the cabinet done today .I used white Hamerite think it will need a couple of more coats though.The last one is of the rubber trim from the top of the machine with years of crud stuck to it .Its about to have a soak in some very hot soapy water
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| Post# 902785 , Reply# 29 10/12/2016 at 14:12 (2,745 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 902795 , Reply# 31 10/12/2016 at 16:08 (2,745 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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thanks mathew | ||
| Post# 903042 , Reply# 32 10/14/2016 at 13:17 (2,743 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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Thanks again to Mathew | ||
| Post# 903043 , Reply# 33 10/14/2016 at 13:20 (2,743 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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the other end is the problem its slightly smaller although its not obvious from to the naked eye
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| Post# 903044 , Reply# 34 10/14/2016 at 13:21 (2,743 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 903047 , Reply# 36 10/14/2016 at 13:34 (2,743 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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all may not be lost and the solution to the problem may be in this old girl.the early hoover Constelation uses the same motor housing but its armature shaft is the thinner type so if i combine the top part of its motor housing with the bottom half of the Hoovermatics motor we may be in business.Yes i know the Connie is in good nick but its motor is burnt out [i have a new one for it]
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Post# 903057 , Reply# 37 10/14/2016 at 14:36 (2,743 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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| Post# 903062 , Reply# 38 10/14/2016 at 15:16 (2,743 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 903313 , Reply# 39 10/16/2016 at 16:07 (2,741 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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its raining in Leeds
so i have spent the afternoon putting the Hoovermatic back together .Both motors back on the pumps and the castors and the last coat of paint on the cabinet.Its not perfect but im happy with it [haven't done the back panel yet]The spin motor is back together thanks to Mathew and Connie? and runs like new anyway thats enough for today
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| Post# 903690 , Reply# 40 10/20/2016 at 09:21 (2,737 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk) | ||
It's going to be like new 
Anthony you are doing a great job and the machine will be like new once you have finished !!!!
I love the way you have painted the base ! Brilliant . You have inspired me to do a long awaited repair on my machine but not quiet sure how the spinner comes apart ??? I have a new resilient mount and drive belt to put on . Would you be able to explain how the spinner dismantle s ??? The four screws are out the top , belts off and I have removed the upper collar Allen screw from the top collar under the mount . Where do I go now ???? I can see another Allen screw on the drive wheel . ???? I would really appreciate your advise . Thanks Darren | ||
| Post# 903721 , Reply# 41 10/20/2016 at 14:29 (2,737 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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HI Darren
If you have managed to get the ring off under the spin can the next thing is to separate the shaft from the drive wheel .first remove the Allen screw then its a case of wiggling the thing back and forth till it comes off .You wont be able to turn the drive wheel because there is a key in there a small half moon shaped bit of metal be care full you dont loose it .hears a couple of photos that might help .Sometimes a little heat helps but dont use a naked flame i like to use a hot air gun
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| Post# 903737 , Reply# 42 10/20/2016 at 16:39 (2,737 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk) | ||
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It worked
Anthony thanks so much ,managed to get it all apart !!!!
I used a cooks blow torch to heat it up !!! Was mindful not to set the whole thing up in flames ! The new resilient mount I have looks identical to what I have take off but the brass bush is smaller so it doesn't fit ???? Saying that the old one is fine and I think the carbon face seal mount had pushed out the mount as there was lots of sand and crud underneath. I've given it a good clean and bonded it in with silicone. The inside of the cabinet has the tell tale signs of water leaking as there are water marks present. Will give it a good clean down and put it back together I used it yesterday and there were multiple puddles on the kitchen floor .. I will put some photos on when I get further into the works !!! Thanks again so much for your advice. Best wishes Darren | ||
| Post# 903832 , Reply# 43 10/21/2016 at 13:56 (2,736 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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Post# 903945 , Reply# 44 10/23/2016 at 04:24 (2,734 days old) by Ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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Amazing ! | ||
| Post# 903947 , Reply# 45 10/23/2016 at 05:48 (2,734 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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Keymatics Hmmmm
Have to think about that one .Its a long time since i touched a KM.In the meantime can anyone help me with this problem .I always take photos when dismantling something but this time i have dropped the proverbial so to speak.I have taken countless pics of the Hoovermatic over the last few weeks and they have come in really useful but i cant find a single one with this spring assembly in it.I know its something to do with the rod that switches the spinner on but thats about it so come on guys put me out of my misery tell me where it goes.I cant go any further itll its on
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| Post# 903948 , Reply# 46 10/23/2016 at 05:49 (2,734 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 903986 , Reply# 48 10/23/2016 at 12:48 (2,734 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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This afternoons eforts
Well i put the spring on where i think it belongs i am sure someone will tell me if its wrong .All it does is give the spinner lid a bit of springiness when lifting it up.The large washtub hose split when i tried to push it on so i cut about half an inch of it and it seems to be ok .theres a new bit of hose from the spin pump to the valve.Spin can back in and all belts on.Had a problem with the pulley where the spin and pump belts fit one small washer the wrong way round and it wouldn't turn took me ages to figure it out.Flex back on thats a major operation in itself [its tough stuff that old hoover ribbed flex ]and a new plug fitted [when i say new i mean something newer than what was on ] Then theres that rubber trim around the knob on the front took ages to get it right.Just need to get a couple of new jubilee clips [dont like the way those wire ones dig into the hoses]for the spinner pump hose and its ready for some water so keep your fingers crossed lads
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| Post# 904256 , Reply# 50 10/25/2016 at 13:55 (2,732 days old) by Electron1100 (England) | ||
STUNNED
I have been watching this thread Anthony, and it is an inspiration...............to have another person who knows what they are doing with these machines is such good news, more machines can be saved and renovated to such a high standard.
Thank you very much for bringing this machine and yourself to this group. Gary | ||
| Post# 904258 , Reply# 51 10/25/2016 at 14:07 (2,732 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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Thanks Mathew
yes i see what you mean having the spring where i have it works to a degree but when the lid is down the spring is slack .Putting it where you suggest gives it that extra tension.just another question while were on about the spring [which end would you put it on the switch end or the end that attaches to the wash tub? dont suppose it matters just want to get it right.Well i have just spent the last couple of hours botching up the split wash tub hose it looks a bit like a dogs back leg but after taking the plunge [so to speak ]and filling up with water i was really surprised that there was not one leak any where and it pumps out really well .next i poured a bucket full of water into the spin dryer and again no leaks so that has to be a first for me [usually when i strip a machine down to this extent theres always a leak from some where]any way guys keep your fingers crossed because tomorrow im going to switch the HEATER on that should be interesting .I have vivid memories of my mums Hoovermatic boiling my sisters nappies the machine was plugged into the only socket there was in the kitchen that being the electric cooker point i distinctly remember the plug getting bhot and the flex on the machine being warm to the touch | ||
| Post# 904263 , Reply# 52 10/25/2016 at 14:34 (2,732 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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thanks for your kind comment guys .I do get a lot of pleasure out of this kind of work as im sure most other members do i find as i get older just getting something going wont do any more these days i want the thing at its best mechanically and cosmetically and i am afraid messing with a modern machine just leaves me cold .Last year our 5 year old Candy broke down [hole in the outer tub]it was unceremoniously dragged outside quickly repaired then bunged back in the wash house All i could think was theres 2 hours i wont get back having said that it sits there happily gobbling up dirty washing like theres no tomorrow so i cant complain really can i theres just something about these old machines that makes them so much more interesting most of my family had the various models available Hoover Hotpoint Servis Parnall Ect and as a young boy they fascinated me and of course theres that smell of warm soap and oil mixed toghther you never forget that do you? I also have a thing for vacuum cleaners but we wont go there at least not on this site
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Post# 904267 , Reply# 53 10/25/2016 at 15:08 (2,732 days old) by Ricky5050 (Durham Britain) |
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| Post# 904273 , Reply# 54 10/25/2016 at 15:19 (2,732 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK) | ||
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the spring end goes to the switch according to the parts diagram. | ||
| Post# 904275 , Reply# 55 10/25/2016 at 15:34 (2,732 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 904277 , Reply# 56 10/25/2016 at 15:36 (2,732 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk) | ||
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It's just great
Anthony its great to spend some time and achieve something !! You have certainly done this with this little gem . There are so many areas to problem solve on an old machine which often involve phone calls ,texts and what saps to other friends to help resolve .looking forward to seeing the progress . Good luck with the ongoing tests,but in particular the heater !!!!
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| Post# 904280 , Reply# 57 10/25/2016 at 16:34 (2,732 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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look what i found | ||
| Post# 904281 , Reply# 58 10/25/2016 at 16:35 (2,732 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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some more | ||
| Post# 904282 , Reply# 59 10/25/2016 at 16:37 (2,732 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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and more | ||
| Post# 904283 , Reply# 60 10/25/2016 at 16:42 (2,732 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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| Post# 904284 , Reply# 61 10/25/2016 at 16:43 (2,732 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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more hoovers | ||
| Post# 904285 , Reply# 62 10/25/2016 at 16:46 (2,732 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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some more hoovers | ||
| Post# 904286 , Reply# 63 10/25/2016 at 16:51 (2,732 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK) | ||
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where do we sign I'd like to place an order. Great catalogue history you've found there. | ||
| Post# 904290 , Reply# 64 10/25/2016 at 17:26 (2,732 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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some more | ||
| Post# 904291 , Reply# 65 10/25/2016 at 17:29 (2,732 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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the floating Burco | ||
| Post# 904292 , Reply# 66 10/25/2016 at 17:31 (2,732 days old) by anthony (uk) | ||
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dont you | ||
| Post# 905889 , Reply# 67 11/7/2016 at 17:44 (2,719 days old) by Slowspin66 (lincoln uk) | ||
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How is it going | ||
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