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Thread Number: 6798
Calling Laundress, a.k.a. Miele Expert (yes, ignore the Imperial thread) |
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| Post# 135691 6/15/2006 at 03:12 (6,524 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR) | ||
Based on your previous posts, you're my Miele information centre. You've spoken of your Miele washers, as well as your fondness for line drying, but do you also own a Miele dryer? I ask because I'm contemplating purchasing a Miele "super capacity" 6 Kg washer and dryer. Several years ago I owned a 5 Kg Bosch washer and dryer. I found the washer to be of adequate capacity, but the dryer was far too small. A full capacity load for the washer was entirely too much for the dryer to handle; much of the load met a fate of horrible wrinkles and tangles (particularly denim). Most of the information I've come across with regards to Miele laundry equipment pertains to their washers, so I'm left wondering how Miele dryers cope with large loads. Do you have any knowledge on this subject? (Everyone else who is not Laundress but has something to offer, please feel free to share, too. I'll consider you "Honorary Laundress" for the moment. :) ) Also, months ago you were very helpful when I was seeking information about the use of bluing, and since then I've become a huge fan of the stuff. Thanks for being such a trusty source of info! | ||
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Post# 135699 , Reply# 1 6/15/2006 at 07:00 (6,524 days old) by toggleswitch  (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 135713 , Reply# 2 6/15/2006 at 09:03 (6,524 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
The smaller drum and the lower temps are the problem. I have the 1918 washer and matching 1515 dryer. Love, love, love the washer. The dryer is OK. Last night, I washed my queen comforter and dryed it at home. I had to "redistribute" it several times and it took about an hour to dry, but it did well enough. A big load out of the washer does well enough in the dryer also, but the lack of real space in there does lead to more than the usual wrinkling. I notice this especially with my t-shirt/underwear/socks loads. The dryer drum is completely filled. Dries well enough, and since it is underwear, the wrinkles don't bother me too much. Now if there are regular wear-about t-shirts in there, you do have to make sure you get them out shortly after the cycle finishes or they will look sloppy when you dress in them. The other thing about the dryer is that I'm amazed how long it takes a load that is spun out at 1200 or 1600 rpms to dry. In a regular USA washer and regular USA dryer, it takes 35-45 minutes to dry a load. So you would think that with a super hard spin in a Miele a load would dry in 20-30 minutes. Nope, 40-60 minutes more like. This I attibute to the low temperature. Even in the middle of a cotton load, you can open the door and the load is warm, not hot, not even really warm. Just warm. The temp does not get high enough to dry quickly or really release wrinkles. And even if it did, the lack of room would cause worse wrinking. This is part of the reason for all the wrinkling whining over at THS. It's not the washer, it's the small, cool dryers (altho' you can't spin jeans out at 1200 or they do get the perma-creases in them). The dryer is not a deal breaker for me, but I would like to connect up a good old fashioned 5-7 cubic foot drum, 30 amp, 140 degree American dryer and dry quicker with less wrinkles. | ||
| Post# 135715 , Reply# 3 6/15/2006 at 09:17 (6,524 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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BTW, reversing tumbling: I don't know, but it seems to me that rpm's and vane size/pattern have more to do with balling than anything else. Bendix/Philco always had one direction tumbling and you really don't hear about balling in there. ADC commercial driers have a vane pattern so that there is nearly no balling in their dryers. All USA dryers are one direction and you really don't have balling in them (29" WP dryers being the exception for me). So I'm not sold that these smaller Euro dryers necessarily need them. Now, that they need reversing to prevent creasing, rubbish! Marketing hype. It's more for balling than wrinkle prevention. Zip: I would heartily recommend the washer, but stick with a big USA dryer, at least initially if you can, and see how it goes. (The reason I say "if you can" is because the Miele washer may need a 30 amp circuit with the special converter box that both the washer and the dryer plug into. If you get the washer sans dryer, then you might need a second 30 amp circuit so that you have one for Miele and one for Dryer USA. Could be a bad PITA to install the second circuit, but then if you don't like the washer and return it, you could connected 2 dryers up and really do some wash!) | ||
| Post# 135755 , Reply# 4 6/15/2006 at 12:30 (6,524 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR) | ||
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Toggle: My Bosch dryer's drum reversed, and I never had a problem with balling up. My clothes had nasty wrinkles that would make the neighbors point and whisper, but nothing balled up. In a previous post you asked for opinions on Euro brands. Did you decide what you might get? Peter: Thanks for the info on the Miele machines. It's all helpful stuff. And you're spot-on about the 29" Whirlpool dryers balling things up. My KitchenAid dryer is technically a Whirlpool, and I've never used a dryer that rolls stuff up so terribly. It's impossible to dry sheets and blankets without them emerging like a big medicine ball. | ||
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Post# 136013 , Reply# 5 6/16/2006 at 10:09 (6,523 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Did you decide what you might get?
Depends on space configuration and availability of 220v and of decent amperage. I am inclined to get the LG combo (W&D) that is 110v. That I thinks is a truly unique future collectors pieces, esp. with a water-cooled condenser. It may not be practical (LONG LONG cycles) but it is unique! I believe excessive spin speeds cause creased. Others think not. | ||
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Post# 136026 , Reply# 6 6/16/2006 at 11:37 (6,523 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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My first dryer was a Zanker and it only tumbled one way. I had often problems with sheets balling up in the dryer. Currently I have a vented AEG and a condenser Miele, both have reversed tumbling and I seldom have a balled up load. Yes, high spinspeeds can crease some items, for instance jeans. I spin them at 1000rpm and put them on low temp in the dryer. Towels however are always spun out at max. speed. | ||
| Post# 136104 , Reply# 8 6/16/2006 at 19:49 (6,522 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Like I said: I think creasing has more to do with size of dryer and load size than it does with spin speed -- except for jeans. Even tho' I can spin at 1600, I keep my 1918 set at 1200. There is no real difference. That said, I use my PP and Delicate cycles problem more than Cotton, especially for outer clothing. Even going thru the PP cycle (short spins with the cycle limiting spin to 900 rpm), jeans do emerge with creasing. They go into the dryer by themselves and the creases fall out OK. It's water restriction time here in the South. Time to only wash full loads. Maybe I need to post some pics of my load sizes... | ||
| Post# 136106 , Reply# 9 6/16/2006 at 19:51 (6,522 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR) | ||
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Jon
You can fit 8 pairs of jeans in your Miele? If I washed more than 5 or 6 pairs of jeans in my Bosch all they did was roll around in a big denim ball, with not much water reaching into the center. And forget drying them all at once. My Bosch dryer could handle 3 pair at a time (that is, if I wanted them to come out without deep wrinkles). Is your Miele's capacity 5 Kg or 6 Kg? | ||
| Post# 136128 , Reply# 10 6/17/2006 at 00:29 (6,522 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Post# 136134 , Reply# 11 6/17/2006 at 00:45 (6,522 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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| Post# 136281 , Reply# 14 6/17/2006 at 18:18 (6,521 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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| Post# 136297 , Reply# 15 6/17/2006 at 19:48 (6,521 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City) | ||
i have the New series Miele I bought at Basco from Derek Ber
I try to wsh Jeans on the stirdy setting, and seperately.These machines really spin fast, so the med speed is as fast as you would ever want to go up on these.The dryer is a little bigger on this series, and the opeing on the washer is also a little bit bigger. I love my set, they get alot of use and still keep ticking. I will say that they are not for everyone.If you would like to try a load out,, i would invite you over to do so. I am in SE Portland, Close in Hawthine, Just E-mail me and let me know.I was totally sold on them, they are really hard to beat.OH!! One more thing, My machine is only hooked up to the cold water, and heats it up to where I set it, which is good for when I want to shower after I wash clothes.--Ritchie
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Post# 136299 , Reply# 16 6/17/2006 at 19:52 (6,521 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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| Post# 136376 , Reply# 17 6/18/2006 at 00:35 (6,521 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR) | ||
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Ritchie, thanks for the offer for the test drive. I may have to take you up on it. I live in southeast, too, and today I stopped by the Standard Appliance on 82nd to see what they had in their closeout warehouse. They stopped selling Miele within the last couple of years (due to lack of sales) but for a time still had Miele appliances in their warehouse. I was hoping to see a W1203 or W1213, but alas they've sold out on all their remaining Miele stock. I spoke with my friend who works there and she gave me the name of someone at Basco to contact. I may schedule an appointment there for sometime during the next week. I wish there was more than one distributor in Portland for Miele; it'd be nice to have competition for the best price. While at Standard I did take a peek at the new Asko models. Even though I'm not inclined to purchase them, I have to say they're nice looking machines. I'm just not sure I trust their reliability (the horror stories on Epinions are too numerous). Plus, they are smaller than the 6 Kg Mieles, although I can't find in their literature any statement of exact capacity. They just say their machines hold a lot, which is so specific and helpful. | ||
| Post# 136424 , Reply# 18 6/18/2006 at 10:14 (6,521 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City) | ||
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Ok!!I would be happy to do whatever I can for ya. They do take some getting used to, but once you have tried these machines, you will be hooked. They are different than the even the 6 kg bosch, the dryer, from what I was told, works better,They are both 15 amps, and come with a spliter for both the washer and the dryer. When the washer is on Sanitize, it makes a very quiet steaming sound like a coffee maker when it is heating. i have the W-1213 and the matching dryer,T1403.They also come in Stainless that were 200 a piece more per unit. i just like white. I wash all my own wool and cashmere at home and have fab results. Everything gets clean.My sheets the first time that I washed them, you could feel it when you went to sleep on them.Please let me know when you woud like to come over, | ||
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