Thread Number: 68054
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advice neede on purchase of commercial washer |
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Post# 907681 , Reply# 1   11/19/2016 at 20:37 (2,708 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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I would go the Continental route. I have used Cont/Girbau machines in an entry mat laundry. It did not faze them. This is the machine I would recommend. Of course you can get it without the meter if you need an OPL machine. WK78 CLICK HERE TO GO TO whirlykenmore78's LINK |
Post# 907684 , Reply# 2   11/19/2016 at 20:47 (2,708 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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This should do the job. There may be a Speed Queen option at the same or better price. WK78 CLICK HERE TO GO TO whirlykenmore78's LINK |
Post# 907686 , Reply# 3   11/19/2016 at 21:14 (2,708 days old) by DavidBlazor (Astoria Oregon)   |   | |
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Is the Continental a soft mount or solid mount? I live in a manufactured home and the floor in the laundry room was reinforced and rebuilt because the Speed Queen ate a hole thru the original floor. |
Post# 907704 , Reply# 5   11/20/2016 at 07:25 (2,707 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 907755 , Reply# 6   11/20/2016 at 13:22 (2,707 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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John, David is the guy who had all of that trouble getting Alliance to repair his SQ FL under warranty a while back. It's my understanding that he has special needs kids and that the machine is being used for multiple loads on a daily basis. Apparently even a SQ can't hold up under such demands. He's probably better off with a commercial type if his laundry room can accommodate one. |
Post# 907763 , Reply# 7   11/20/2016 at 13:48 (2,707 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Ralph, yes I remember this case well but in order to give the best advice I ask for more details. The best thing I could possibly recommend right now would be another speed queen soft mount commercial homestyle washer. These are truly commercial washers, they use the exact same ones and coin laundries all over the world.
We have these machines and hotels in veterinary clinics etc. doing 20+ loads a day some for over five years and have never had bearing failures with most of them I have a couple of them that I've done over 45,000 loads out there. If the bearings are failing again in this washer they may either not of been repaired well or there may be some unusual water conditions that are causing the frequent failures which no washer may be able to avoid. |
Post# 907857 , Reply# 9   11/21/2016 at 06:23 (2,706 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 907865 , Reply# 10   11/21/2016 at 08:09 (2,706 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 907880 , Reply# 11   11/21/2016 at 11:41 (2,706 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 907886 , Reply# 12   11/21/2016 at 11:59 (2,706 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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you would have to open the machine up, whether the top, or bottom panels....
and watch closely as to when the water is leaking out.....and where it is coming from I just worked on a Samsung with a mystery leak, took several loads to figure out that the dispenser box would occasionally have water overflow out the top section where it snaps together.....simple sealant filled the gap all the way around and fixed that issue.... plus, is it from the machine?, or the drain pipe backing up?, even suds backing out of the pipe can show the same results.....anything is possible |
Post# 907905 , Reply# 13   11/21/2016 at 14:34 (2,706 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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After P&G changed the formula on Gain and Tide HE to be "for both" front-loading and top-loading machines, I experienced oversudsing issues in my Frigidaire Affinity. Others here have reported similar experiences. I stopped using P&G's "for both" products and am back to low suds as front loading machines require.
Try a different brand that isn't made by P&G. I think they're the only manufacturer making the claim about their HE being "for both" types of machines, and that is simply not true.
Ideally, you want suds no higher than about 1/3 or so up the window while contents are tumbling. I find that most of the time I can use much less than the manufacturer's recommended amount of detergent, and only use the full amount on large, heavily soiled loads.
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Post# 907907 , Reply# 15   11/21/2016 at 15:25 (2,706 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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There are single phase commercial hard and soft mount washers in both 120v and 220v.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wascomat-W620-12... http://www.ebay.com/itm/HC40MD2-40lb-Hue... Larger question for the OP is whether or not his home can withstand the weight and forces generated by such machines. Personally one seconds advice given upthread and seek out SQ or perhaps another brand of OPL unit. From what one has seen commercial washers lowest capacity is around 20lbs, they then go up to 30, 40, 50, etc.... Unless dealing with fully programmable controls from what one has seen cycle times on most commercial washers tends to be on the quick side. Thus unless one routinely washes large/bulky items a larger capacity machine might not be required. We're talking about 30 minutes or so from start to finish... wash days just breeze by. |
Post# 907919 , Reply# 16   11/21/2016 at 16:17 (2,706 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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John (combo52) should be able to advise on the warranty, or you can call Alliance and they can advise, assuming you registered your machine with Alliance after purchase. They'll have on file the information needed to initiate warranty repairs.
If the machine is still covered, deal with Alliance directly to avoid the run-around you got from your local SQ service provider last time. |
Post# 907922 , Reply# 17   11/21/2016 at 16:29 (2,706 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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A couple years ago I looked into buying a Huebsch soft mount commercial washer for no reason other then they are just darned cool. It looks like they have changed their models a little since then, as I recall the one I was considering was rated at 18lbs and cost a bit under $4000.
If you look at their current offerings the 20, 25 and 30lb machines could go through a 36" doorway. All these machines are available as single phase machines (but they are all 240v). I don't believe that any of these machines have a drain pump though, the simple brochure isn't clear about this. Also note that all of these commercial machines are in the 400 to 600 pound total weight range. If you already suffered floor damage from a residential Speed Queen then I doubt one of these would be workable. From what you have described as leakage, doesn't make it seem as if the machine is on its last legs. All machines will have minor troubles from time to time. Indeed this is very likely leakage caused by over sudsing or similar. Find the cause and the machine will likely keep working fine for many years. If you have the room and feel like spending the money I'd buy a 2nd machine which could double throughput as well as serve as a back up in case of any failures. It does sound like you have "mission critical" laundry needs. |
Post# 907924 , Reply# 18   11/21/2016 at 16:48 (2,706 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 907927 , Reply# 19   11/21/2016 at 16:59 (2,706 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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To the best of one's knowledge Milnor does not currently produce a washer/extractor remotely possible in OP's domestic situation.
www.milnor.com/product-category/w... Now a structure with a solid concrete basement floor and suitable structural support would be another matter. Ditto any sort of building where floors/structure could support the machine and forces generated. Continental-Girbau is another matter. However their "E" series washers have rated lifespans of 10-20 years. Not much different than say Miele (especially older models) which cost much less. www.continentalgirbau.com/opl/com... Would suggest a Miele, but the older larger capacity washers are no longer in production, and views are mixed on the (discontinued) 40XX series. Average lifespan for a typical front loading washing machine sold in USA is fourteen years, which works out to about 5,100 cycles (see: homeguides.sfgate.com/expected-li...). Things aren't that much better across the pond: www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/how-long... Obviously the more cycles a washer is put through equates to more stress on certain parts and shorter lifespan. In particular if the machine is routinely overloaded. Personally reason for having many washers (Miele, then Hoover TT, added Oko-Lavamat, now the Maytag Wringer...), along with various hand washing tools (tubs, posser, hand wringers), is to take some of the work load off the front loaders. For instance one does not do small wash loads in the Miele or rarely in the Lavamat. The first most certainly doesn't like it, and the latter appears not so keen as well. Both to an extent have issues attempting to balance before spinning, and the result is often banging, bouncing and vibrations. Similarly no longer do heavy/bulky items in either washer; but take them round to laundryette. This became certainly true after paying out >$300 for Miele to come out and repair the suspension springs on the W1070. This was on top of a few years prior having same done for the shock absorbers. What one is getting at is the OP may wish to consider some sort of second washer (maybe even a top loader portable or stationary), to take some of the work load off main washer. Twenty-five to thirty (or more) wash loads per week will quickly knacker all but the most durable front loaders. Depending upon source the average number of wash loads for domestic front loaders is between 7 and 12 per week. |
Post# 907940 , Reply# 20   11/21/2016 at 17:38 (2,706 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 907946 , Reply# 21   11/21/2016 at 18:40 (2,706 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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But I wonder if you should move out of a manufactured house and into a ranch or split level house built on a slab where you can have the commercial washer. I would recommend building a concrete "pedestal" about 10-12 inches high enough for also the dryer. That way, a "hard mount" machine would be possible. Even if you don't get the hard mount, I think this platform would be a good place for any machine.
Another way might be to build like a Tuff Shed with a thick concrete floor and a "trough" but you probably have to get permission as the "shed" would have to have its utilities, but it could be a Laundry Shed. Does Speed Queen make a model that is just above the home style machine but the smallest size commercial? Also, perhaps a commercial dealer could program detergents and additives like they do for bed and breakfasts, which would help with doing the laundry. |
Post# 907952 , Reply# 22   11/21/2016 at 19:13 (2,706 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Your model only had a 3 year Parts and labor warranty.
These are real commercial washers, SQs engineers told us that these washers had a design life of around 25,000 loads, at 20 loads this machine could last you around 20 years or so.
A washer like yours will require repairs every few years for the next 15 years, a 2nd washer is an excellent idea. |
Post# 907959 , Reply# 23   11/21/2016 at 20:01 (2,706 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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I am somewhat surprised as these Speed Queens are far bigger and far superior to my Neptunes for the issues that have happened...
the only issue once I fixed them, was one dryer needed the solenoids replaced twice for the gas valve...and sand from the well plugged the water valves on the washer... with 10 kids, I didn't think anyone could surpass me with laundry.....I love to do laundry, but there were times it would push your limits...I only started out with two sets, and added from there thanks to this site... and probably the one time I wished the machines were in the kitchen, to multi task...Launderess is right, an extra machine like a wringer was great for diapers... Sears Ultra Plus really stretched the detergent budget....how I miss those 5 gallon buckets... I would recommend two sets, as in another SQ set, stacked, side by side..... keep us posted on your progress....
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Post# 907992 , Reply# 27   11/22/2016 at 06:39 (2,705 days old) by Combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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These huge capacity washers and dryer's are not designed for maximum use on a regular basis, they are designed to wash the occasional king size comforter etc.
It is irresponsible to suggest somebody buy this Chinese junk for washing continuous heavy duty loads. Bruce you should try washing 50 bath towels and drying them in your LG's time and time again they won't last a month.
Over half the speed Queen's built are used with coin boxes and other commercial installations this is not the case with 5 ft. LGs and 9 ft. LG dryers they are in no way commercial heavy duty machines the washers have plastic frames and plastic outer tub's and the dryers that go with them are beyond cheap all you have to do is take one apart and compare it to a speed queen. |
Post# 908016 , Reply# 28   11/22/2016 at 08:55 (2,705 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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I guess theres no short way of doing this.....but lets give it a try....
John is right, you can't compare a 1 or 2 person household, versus someone like Dave and the amount of laundry that is generated, most machines would choke... Dave, whenever you have service on those machines, it would be in your best interest to be right there and watch, and ask plenty of questions.....you will save yourself time and money, plus aggravation if you can do some of this work yourself.... kids 101....any advice I can offer, I am here to help you along....believe me, I learned a lot along the way...work smarter, not harder, yeah, you will have some blunders along the way, we all have.....sounds like you spending most of your time on laundry... I fully understand your position with children, as we have adopted children, foster children, and listed as a SHiPs home for special needs children...because of the size of the house and 7 bedrooms, we mostly get sibling groups...your home is inspected and held to a higher standard than any home these children have come from.. ages varied from 4 months to 12..... each kid basically creates one load of their clothing per week....that is not saying I wait until the 7th day to do all of the laundry.....each color group has to build up to make one load.....sometimes you would skip a day as you would not have enough for any given load, or sometimes you combined loads together....most times it was 2 loads a day....a common everyday load was always whites...socks, underwear, towels and such.... to reduce a number of issues, you purchased things in bulk and as odd as this may sound, all white....like a hospital supply place...sheets, pillow cases, blankets and towels....these can wash together, and can be bleached if needed...no puffy, bulky comforters! for most loads, you can fit 3 of everything, fitted sheet, flat sheet, pillow case and blanket....if you can wash, dry, and put back on the bed, you saved a lot of time right there......but always have backup sets as accidents will happen, sheets and blankets tucked into the pillowcase, one complete bed change ready in an instant.... 10 loads a week would be about average.....14 or more would be in extreme cases...with several machines, you get a lot of wash done, very quickly.... dryer sheets are like duct tape, useful for anything but taping duct work....these WILL kill your dryer.....they will create a wax type of film on internal parts and sensors, which attracts lint.....they are useful in many other areas of your home.... also, your washer will last a lot longer with warm and hot washes...bleach once in a while.....and cold washes kept to a minimum |
Post# 908064 , Reply# 32   11/22/2016 at 14:19 (2,705 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Excellent news! That should be a fairly easy fix, if not cheap. It's still cheaper than a whole new machine.
I think the general consensus here for a back-up machine would be a SQ top loader or a Whirlpool made (aka Kenmore, Estate, Maytag and more) direct-drive top loader, for which parts are plentiful and repairs are relatively easy. Well built vintage machines, such as Maytags are hard to kill, but your conditions would be a challenge even for those -- unless you got one that had been recently rebuilt. |
Post# 908267 , Reply# 33   11/23/2016 at 17:40 (2,704 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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can someone give a pic or detail of the control panel.....
I am not noticing a 'clean washer' cycle on any Speed Queen...... quite frankly, like my Neptunes, and Frigidaire Gallery...never had it, never will....with proper washing guidelines and care, see no reason to ever have to needed one.... 99% of all loads are hot or warm wash.....bleach used as needed.....never leave the door or dispenser drawer open.....never an issue... one thing I am curious, has anyone seen a Samsung or LG machine in any Laundromat setting....Maytags and Speed Queens were most common TL machines for years....most Flers were SQ or Milnors even Neptunes were found in Laundromats.....for the ones located around me, rarely would you see one out of order..... |
Post# 908280 , Reply# 36   11/23/2016 at 19:15 (2,704 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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Depending on how the kids are, as they are older, they may have better control of their functions. Thus, you may not need to wash as much in the future. I kind of favor my laundry shed idea - you can have the Continental Girbau in there and 2 dryers and a front loader and its a unique place for and the kids to get together. Keep a top loader handy and ready to go if need be. Also, Jon and Kate + 8 had 2 Whirlpool TLs, maybe that will be enough.
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Post# 908281 , Reply# 37   11/23/2016 at 19:25 (2,704 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Are nothing but problems from what one has read on various professional/coin laundry forums.
Some swear by them, other swear at them... www.google.com/QUESTIONMA... www.ajmadison.com/b.php/Crossove... laundrylux.com/coin-laundry-equip... www.coinwash.com/mb/showthread.ph... CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK |
Post# 908350 , Reply# 38   11/24/2016 at 11:44 (2,703 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 908352 , Reply# 39   11/24/2016 at 12:28 (2,703 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 908356 , Reply# 40   11/24/2016 at 14:45 (2,703 days old) by DavidBlazor (Astoria Oregon)   |   | |
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PWS laundry has them listed for 94.00 on line. Boot was ordered, service tech cancelled will save myself some money change it myself. |
Post# 908424 , Reply# 41   11/25/2016 at 09:04 (2,702 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 909433 , Reply# 42   12/3/2016 at 00:45 (2,695 days old) by DavidBlazor (Astoria Oregon)   |   | |
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The boot arrived today and the machine is up and running. It took a little while to get the old boot off and the new boot on. The queen is looking at probably 25 loads on Saturday as she has had to sit while waiting for the boot to arrive. |
Post# 909435 , Reply# 43   12/3/2016 at 01:15 (2,695 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 909480 , Reply# 44   12/3/2016 at 11:46 (2,694 days old) by DavidBlazor (Astoria Oregon)   |   | |
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This is my weekend job for this weekend. Yes the washer runs fast roughly 32 minutes per load and that is using the extra rinse option. What slows everything down is the dryer. |
Post# 909497 , Reply# 45   12/3/2016 at 16:21 (2,694 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Laundromat/commercial washing machines don't mess around. Owners require fast throughput to keep up with peak load times and or fast turn around for customer's orders.
IIRC SQ domestic washers have about the same cycle time as laundromat machines; 30-32 minutes depending upon cycle chosen. There are of course commercial washers you can program for a variety of cycles. In such instances things might be longer, but don't think you'll find many taking nearly two hours for a "normal" wash load as a matter of routine. |
Post# 909540 , Reply# 49   12/4/2016 at 00:13 (2,694 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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"Put it in line for the dryer" I meant as in waiting in line to go in the dryer not put it on a clothesline. I pull stuff out and let it sit until the dryer is empty all the time. |
Post# 909559 , Reply# 51   12/4/2016 at 06:54 (2,693 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 909612 , Reply# 52   12/4/2016 at 15:35 (2,693 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Been there, done that, and am here to tell you it can get old after awhile.
For one or maybe two loads it is fine. But as with any extractor (Hoover TT's included) the noise and vibrations can get on one's nerves after awhile. All extractors are most stable when loads are even and balanced. However doing that with small basket units such as the Hoover or stand alone spin dryers is often not so easy. Large items like blankets and sheets can be an adventure. Would *LOVE* to find a Bock or Montex extractor for their larger capacity.... This post was last edited 12/04/2016 at 20:18 |
Post# 909654 , Reply# 54   12/4/2016 at 20:00 (2,693 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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Post# 909676 , Reply# 56   12/4/2016 at 22:52 (2,693 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 909761 , Reply# 57   12/5/2016 at 14:41 (2,692 days old) by DavidBlazor (Astoria Oregon)   |   | |
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I did not mean to upset anyone in any way. Neptunebob was just asking about the kids so I just let him know the circumstances of the family. Once again I did not mean to offend anyone. David |
Post# 909762 , Reply# 58   12/5/2016 at 14:46 (2,692 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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What could possibly create so much laundry? I was under the impression David had a group home for special needs kids or something like that and they were much younger, or that he was running a day care. I didn't know about the situation you are in, Dave, so forgive me, and I just did not imagine having one of those Milnor machines.
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Post# 909765 , Reply# 59   12/5/2016 at 15:42 (2,692 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 909827 , Reply# 61   12/6/2016 at 00:25 (2,692 days old) by Laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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