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Thread Number: 68197
/ Tag: Vintage Dishwashers
Did the Hotpoint factory ever make GE appliances? |
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Post# 909202 12/1/2016 at 07:50 (2,702 days old) by chetlaham  (United States) |
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Or visa versa? I ask because I came across a model GSD400YK in an apartment complex dumpster near my awaiting disposal. Much to my surprise even though the machine was completely Hotpoint by design (tank, racks, detergent cup, ect) it was branded GE. I am aware that in the 70s the Hotpoint side started putting in GE pumps and spray arms, but never logos to my knowledge. In addition, the machine appears to be from around 1985-87, after Permatuf started and plastisol ended.
Here is the manual: www.geappliances.com/search/older... Anyone know the history of these critters? Or why they were made? | ||
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Post# 909235 , Reply# 1 12/1/2016 at 11:40 (2,702 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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| Post# 909240 , Reply# 2 12/1/2016 at 12:56 (2,702 days old) by kd12 (Arkansas) | ||
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This always seemed odd to me. Hotpoint was part of GE, but was not their sole household appliances distribution arm. Hotpoint and GE were both making the same types of products. Not the same as one division making light bulbs and another making locomotives. | ||
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Post# 909241 , Reply# 3 12/1/2016 at 13:21 (2,702 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 909243 , Reply# 4 12/1/2016 at 13:32 (2,702 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA ) |
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Post# 909249 , Reply# 6 12/1/2016 at 14:17 (2,702 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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Post# 909307 , Reply# 8 12/1/2016 at 20:58 (2,701 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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A relationship similar to Whirlpool/Kenmore Hotpoint was used by GE in the decades before it was totally assimilated, to test market innovations like ovens with rotisseries, front-loading dishwashers, very pimped-out and built-in refrigerators and freezers and governor-controlled speed switches on washing machines. Someone on this site also said that the huge capacity GE dryers began as Hotpoint units, but I haven't seen any evidence of that although it's conceivable. I think there was some give and take. There were Hotpoint TOL cooktops with built-in grills that were badged GE and as said above, the calrod units all came out of Taylor Avenue.
It's an excellent question and worthy of a photo essay and an academic style investigation. Maybe later. | ||
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Post# 909360 , Reply# 11 12/2/2016 at 11:39 (2,701 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Yes, lots of innovative stuff went to Olds Cadillac has always tended to get the tested and tried stuff as standard, but the first introductions of (for GM) radical new stuff was frequently at Oldsmobile. Makes sense - just as we always check the GMC dealer here for parts for our Cadillacs first, so did Cadillac/Olds share a lot of the same assembly lines. Horrors! Did I just say that?!? Yup, I surely did. Before all the usual suspects dump their loads on me, (and not the good kind), you might want to look into the wiring problems the 2005 Malibu/2005STS share and just where they come from. Hint: It's not parallel universes.
Much as I like some things about the Cadillacs we've had (not counting our '89 Fleetwood Brougham de Elegance, biggest piece of steaming ..... in the history of GM), the days when Cadillac was a stand alone automaker ended before the LaSalle faded into history.
I've been confused as to Hotpoint's status in the hierarchy over the years, too. Right now, they're the obsolete (read: reliable) mechanical technology, absolute simplest (read: reliable) GE products. At one time, though - they were quite the jet job. Every GE dishwasher manual I've read from the '70s through the '80s covers both trade names for many models and parts so, obviously, there was some overlap. Today, of course, it's transparently obvious - as clear as buying a Maytag and bringing it home to sit next to the exact same machine from Roper or Estate or Kirkland but pretending it's 'better' because it cost 3x as much.
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Post# 909370 , Reply# 13 12/2/2016 at 12:51 (2,701 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Actually, The multiplexing works OK, as long as you have good grounds. Chrysler has improved on it, but it was OK. The big problem with Cadillac was the use of totally underdimensioned connectors for heavy draw modules (the infamous climate control module which would burn up on the Fleetwoods is a great example) and the running of wiring harnesses without protection over rough metal joints. I had a '98 Malibu. Loved her. Everyone else was not so impressed. Kept telling me to expect this, that and the other problem which mine never had. Parents lent it to the grandkids while I was out of the country and they killed her. No, she didn't like the cold. Had to warm her up for at least 15 minutes in sub-zero weather before anything electronically controlled was happy. | ||
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Post# 909373 , Reply# 14 12/2/2016 at 13:27 (2,701 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Great info! :)
I can understand the confusion. Before I knew much about GE, I remember spending hours trying to figure out why I was seeing porcelain hotpoints older than plastisol tubs. I assumed that the porcelain came after the plastisol and then that was replaced by permatuff, but now I know that the porcelain tubs were made in a different factory then the plastisol and permatuff in Louisville. Im guessing that at some point the Hotpoint factory started useing the GE label, assuming that no porcelain production took place at Louisville.
Does anyone know what year the Hotpoint factory close btw? 1991? I've seen porcelain Hotpoints with serials made as late as 91 before they went to full permatuff in 92/93. My best guess regarding the porcelain tubs continuing to exist 9 years after the full permatuf transition is from the bad rap given to permatuf from the 70s when GE's TOL model 1s were giving a bad reputation. Though I do wonder if that really effected builders and landlords as in my experience its been 50/50. Where I live I have a unique vantage point ;) There are tons of rental apartments built from the mids 60 to the late 90s all with on site maintenance. Aside from seeing the units (inside) first hand, most of the properties have disposal areas where the appliances to be hauled away are left in a pile or dumpster. With that said I've seen every BOL and MOL plastisol, permatuff and porcelain GE/Hotpoint/RCA known to man. Both brands would "tango" off one another in my experience. But even more interesting has been seeing the failure points for each machine. Ie, later version filter flos had more outertub leaks than did earlier versions, and when GE went with that yellow rubber for their sump boots it looks like it did not hold up as well in their Potscrubber machines- caused by (guessing) from the fact GE never shut off the heaters in the mainwash when the temp went over 140*F. The things you notice lol ;) | ||
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Post# 910132 , Reply# 16 12/8/2016 at 09:34 (2,695 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 910396 , Reply# 18 12/9/2016 at 19:04 (2,693 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Don't know about impeller era
Have Hotpoint service manuals from the 1960's for their under counter and top loading dishwashers.
The 1967 top loading portable dishwasher is almost exactly same as my GE Mobilemaid with a few minor (mostly cosmetic) differences. Back of these service manuals state "Hotpoint - General Electric Company, and show "Chicago, Illinois". General Electric - Hotpoint division apparently at one time did have production in Chicago, but much if not most all plants may have been closed. articles.chicagotribune.com/1987-... www.flickr.com/photos/251... www.geappliances.com/search/older... www.facebook.com/lostillinoisman... books.google.com/booksQUESTIONMA... www.google.com/QUESTIONMARKREPLA... And so it goes..... Hotpoint was a *BIG* appliance name in Chicago and rest of Illinois for that matter including both sales and service. Since GE branded major appliances all refer to Appliance Park in Louisville, Kentucky one wonders if indeed the plants were separate. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK | ||
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Post# 910685 , Reply# 19 12/11/2016 at 19:00 (2,691 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 910709 , Reply# 20 12/11/2016 at 23:26 (2,691 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Upon further research
It seems GE moved production of Hotpoint from Cicero, IL to Decatur, Alabama when it closed that factory.
Overall the 1970's and 1980's were not good for Chicago and greater Illinois, plenty of manufacturing closed down. www.lib.niu.edu/1995/ii950112.htm... | ||
| Post# 910735 , Reply# 21 12/12/2016 at 06:56 (2,691 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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by the 1970's, Hotpoint production had already been in Appliance Park, Louisville. | ||
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Post# 910982 , Reply# 22 12/13/2016 at 14:43 (2,690 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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GE has/had appliance factories in various places other than Louisville. Bloomington, IN had a refrigerator plant for instance. CLICK HERE TO GO TO CircleW's LINK | ||
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Post# 911011 , Reply# 23 12/13/2016 at 18:59 (2,689 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 911083 , Reply# 24 12/14/2016 at 07:21 (2,689 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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Post# 911829 , Reply# 25 12/19/2016 at 17:55 (2,683 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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Chetlatham, Hotpoint dishwashers were made in West Milwaukee, WI starting in 1948. I don't know how long productions continued there, but the plant closed in 1991, and was demolished in 2006. | ||
| Post# 911831 , Reply# 26 12/19/2016 at 18:10 (2,683 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
in canada ge not only made hotpoint but appliance for eaton 
well i know that for the canadien market ge not only made hotpoint appliance for canada but eaton viking as well Pictures are there as an exemple
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| Post# 911982 , Reply# 27 12/20/2016 at 23:27 (2,682 days old) by Coldspaces (Chillicothe Illinois) | ||
Hello new here today and ran across your discussion on Hotpoint. I have been told that back in the days that Hotpoint was formed GE was extensively marketing the all electric home and was not about to sell gas appliances labeled GE. Thus Hotpoint was born as their way to be in the gas appliance market. I know the Flat Top refrigerators of the late 30s,early 40s share the same cabinets and refrigeration systems with different trims and accessories.
Coldspaces | ||
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Post# 912068 , Reply# 29 12/21/2016 at 18:19 (2,681 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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1938 Hotpoint catalog Here is the full-line catalog for Hotpoint. Very nice products, especially the electric ranges - including one 54" wide. CLICK HERE TO GO TO CircleW's LINK | ||
| Post# 912076 , Reply# 30 12/21/2016 at 20:07 (2,681 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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| Post# 912077 , Reply# 31 12/21/2016 at 21:00 (2,681 days old) by Coldspaces (Chillicothe Illinois) | ||
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| Post# 912258 , Reply# 32 12/23/2016 at 05:58 (2,680 days old) by Doug (West Virgina) | ||
Dave
Dave just wondering if u could possibly post some scans of ur 1982 ge catalog "washer and dryer" pages only? I've been looking for quite some time now for the right year catalog that advertises my ge filter flo model I have and can't seem to find it. I bought a 1981 ge catalog here recently off eBay an it advertises the wood grain backsplash models. Here is a pic of my ge filter flo
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Post# 912899 , Reply# 33 12/28/2016 at 17:22 (2,674 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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1982 catalog | ||
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Post# 912903 , Reply# 34 12/28/2016 at 17:51 (2,674 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago) |
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5600 West Taylor Street | ||
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Post# 912917 , Reply# 35 12/28/2016 at 20:02 (2,674 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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| Post# 912977 , Reply# 36 12/29/2016 at 08:08 (2,674 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Looks like part of it still stands at 5600 w. Taylor. Chicago Studio occupies the later addition. The water tower legs of the old building are in a parking lot across the street. Some single story factory building can also be seen. | ||
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Post# 913192 , Reply# 37 12/30/2016 at 17:34 (2,672 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 913202 , Reply# 38 12/30/2016 at 18:59 (2,672 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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| Post# 913495 , Reply# 39 1/1/2017 at 14:16 (2,671 days old) by maytaga806 (Howell, Michigan) | ||
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Post# 913556 , Reply# 40 1/2/2017 at 00:01 (2,670 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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HP tank | ||
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Post# 913640 , Reply# 41 1/2/2017 at 14:15 (2,670 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago) |
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That building was knocked down.
5600 was knocked down in its entirety. It actually was a small building. Up and down the block were a series of dissimilar buildings large and small all devoted to appliance production. Perhaps some of them survive.
We took a picture of the front door as well as we knew the building was going away. Carved in stone was "Edison Electric Company" I believe. It certainly was not General Electric nor Hotpoint. Sunbeam was directly across the street. | ||
| Post# 913698 , Reply# 42 1/2/2017 at 19:18 (2,669 days old) by potatochips ( ) | ||
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Yes, many Canadian GE machines have some HP features, like the porcelain on steel tub. I have a GE machine with this that I'll be doing a spotlight on shortly. | ||
| Post# 913738 , Reply# 43 1/3/2017 at 07:04 (2,669 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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| Post# 913742 , Reply# 44 1/3/2017 at 08:08 (2,669 days old) by brucelucenta () | ||
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I know that back in the 50's and 60's GE seemed to be the preferred builder's brand to use in many new homes here at least. I think they must have been cheaper to buy. | ||
| Post# 914571 , Reply# 46 1/8/2017 at 09:05 (2,664 days old) by cornutt (Huntsville, AL USA) | ||
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Speaking of that, the Decatur, Alabama plant is still open and makes builder-grade refrigerators. | ||
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Post# 915138 , Reply# 47 1/11/2017 at 13:51 (2,661 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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re: My GE Catalog of 1982: DOUG of W. VA.
--I seemed to have lost or misplaced this catalog... I've searched all over my house and found every piece of household memorabilia, books, catalogs, and literature except this item!
(And maybe I would gladly send it to you, for the price of postage if I could find it...) So, sorry...
-- Dave | ||
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