Thread Number: 68894
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
OUT WITH THE QUEEN AND IN WITH THE ELITE |
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Post# 916849 , Reply# 1   1/21/2017 at 21:09 (2,648 days old) by Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)   |   | |
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. . . What age is the SQ? I have had one only a few months and I love it. I hope your Kenmore gives you good service. Jerry Gay |
Post# 916853 , Reply# 2   1/21/2017 at 21:17 (2,648 days old) by DavidBlazor (Astoria Oregon)   |   | |
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The Speed Queens are only 4 years old. The dryer is awesome but the washer was absolute crap from the word go. |
Post# 916859 , Reply# 3   1/21/2017 at 22:25 (2,648 days old) by golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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Post# 916861 , Reply# 4   1/21/2017 at 22:46 (2,648 days old) by Laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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The set you bought , you'll love!!!!!The drum light,the recalculating spray,the different tumbles, the 1400 RPM final spin, the style and reliability are all great. I had the 8000s these are similar to and they get your wash thoroughly cleaned and well spun out. You will be impressed. Congratulations on a great buy. You can also buy the Side Kick. It fits in the drawer and washes a smaller loaf
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Post# 916881 , Reply# 7   1/22/2017 at 05:37 (2,648 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Sorry to hear that your washer flooded the laundry room, do you have any idea why ? SQ FL washers with the white inlet valve are prone to sticking open and causing severe flooding in high use machines, this is an easy cheap fix [ part $35 ] so I urge you to give this washer to someone that can fix and use it as it should still have at least 20 years of life in it for someone that only does 10 loads a week.
You were smart not to get the pedestals as they really increase vibration problems on wooden floors and stacking high use machines is just asking for more problems and delays when repairs are required.
I hope these new Chinese LGs work out well for your family, but I dough they will especially the dryer. You would really be better off keeping the SQ dryer in the long run. I usually do not recommend people waste money on service contracts but in your heavy use situation it might work out well [ why did you only get a 2 year plan on the dryer ] The only good thing about these plans is you have a better chance getting Sears to exchange the machines when they become a service nightmare, the only bad thing is Sears does not sell any really heavy duty machines that they can be exchanged for, and Sears may not even be around till the end of this year to honor this contract at all.
Hi Henrik, why is a 5 KW dryer not going to be fast enough, the new washer spins even faster than the old SQ.
And reverse tumbling on a dryer [ especially a full sized one ] only wastes time and prolongs drying time.
John L.
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Post# 916906 , Reply# 9   1/22/2017 at 09:04 (2,648 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Henrek, The new dryer is only 2 CF larger, and these super sized washers you can not fill with really heavy loads on a regular bassis and not have the machine go out with fault codes. The SQ could be stuffed full and never complain.
The owner did not give a good description as to what happened, but it could be something really simple like the hose going to the drain pump came off, it certainly does not have a split tub. |
Post# 916919 , Reply# 11   1/22/2017 at 10:59 (2,648 days old) by Laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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David,
The different programs select the pattern. If you want to handwash, the setting will tell the drum to one rpm. Other cycles like wool will rock the drum back and forth. It all depends on the preset pattern in each program. You'll see. It pretty much explains itself as time progresses and you get to play around with it. As far as the dryer goes, it DOES dry faster. Usually done way before the next wash load is ready to dry. I always used the auto dry settings and got excellent results. Averaging 27 minutes to dry. If you are stacking them,be sure they are leveled correctly. You will see a big difference. Remember,direct drive LGs spin either way depending on the direction the drum is going in a more balanced situation. Then, it speeds up gradually sounding like a turbo jet taking off. You can watch the water drops dance on the window. |
Post# 916933 , Reply# 13   1/22/2017 at 13:10 (2,648 days old) by leononmaui (New Egypt, New Jersey)   |   | |
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David, I too have this set. I love it. The best I've ever had. There are so many features on it. 5 rinses, the timer to set the night before for sanitary wash so it's done in the morning, the size of the tub, extra water on comforter cycle. So much more. Good luck with yours. |
Post# 916954 , Reply# 15   1/22/2017 at 14:59 (2,648 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Henrek, The basic sizing for a dryers capacity compared to a FL washer is the dryer needs to be three times the size of the washer for good results.
No one is going to fill the LG the way you can fill the SQ, the large capacity of the LG is great for an occasional king size comforter. The SQ FL washer would easily wash around 25 full size bath towels weighing about 1 pound peace, there is no way the LG will wash a 50 pound load of approximately 50 bath towels with out a struggle and if one tried it it would not last very long.
My guess of a stuck inlet valve was right on the money given the information that was given by the owner, often when these valves stick the machine will fill all the way up and flood a room, then when the valve finally unsticks the washer cycle continues and the drain pump drains the machine and all that is left is a flooded floor [ I have seen this more times than I can remember ].
This machine was not a lemon in any sense of the word, any machine can have a main seal and bearing failure, now the service the owner got was terrible. From what the owner has told us about the leak-flood it is likley that an inlet hose inside the machine came loose, fortunately this type of event is not uncommon after a machine has been completely apart for a major repair.
It is not that easy for most homes to install a 2nd 240 dryer, if both dryers were in operation you would have over a 50 amp constant draw, not many homes will sustain this type of loading on their circuit panels without a failure before long. The owner also said there was no room for an extra appliance. |
Post# 916996 , Reply# 16   1/22/2017 at 18:46 (2,647 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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It sounds like there is just a lot of material to wash and you could have the Milnor for as long as the kids live there. I know that Jon and Kate + 8 had two Whirlpool top loaders that were enough, Kate probably used Pampers on her kids which kept the laundry down (and the landfills in central PA filled up!). I think you should build the laundry shed I propose, if you have to leave it behind, it could be a unique selling feature.
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Post# 917006 , Reply# 17   1/22/2017 at 19:38 (2,647 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There΄s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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IIRC Milnor does not make soft mount washers/extractors. Even if they did as one recalls OP needed to have the floors of his current home reinforced to cope with the SQ washer, since commercial OPL/soft mount washers weigh the same and or more this obviously is not a solution.
In situations like this one really only has two options; try and find a commercial or quasi unit, or the best of domestic and use the heck out of it then replace. There isn't a free lunch when it comes to front loading washers as the basic physics during operation remain the same. You can either develop washers designed to withstand hard use/abuse for decades and be easily repaired/rebuilt. Or something that will give service for a finite amount of time then be chucked after useful life versus cost of repair means it is no longer economically viable to fix. If OP lived in a home with a sound foundation and could sink a "pit"/create a concrete base then a world of second hand soft or even hard mount machines would be open; but he cannot so that is that. The only washers that *might* withstand doing so many loads per week would be the older Miele units, but their capacity is too small for this household. We have been up and down this garden path each time OP posts (no offence or attack meant to same), but for the amount of use this household requires *NO* domestic washer is going to suffice, except perhaps SQ. He's been there and done that so now it is onto plan "B". By most definitions of domestic front loaders the amount of duty cycles per week in OPs household would fall under "abuse". Again not an attack or whatever, but simply stating a fact; domestic washing machines front or top loading simply are not designed to process so much laundry on a routine basis. If things were made of old where pumps, bearings, tubs, seals, etc... could be easily replaced in field that *may* be a different thing; but more and more at least for front loaders things come as an assembly; once a tub seal or bearing goes it pretty much means the unit is toast. This is because the whole assembly must be replaced and often between cost of parts and service it comes to more than the machine is worth and or you could purchase another for same money. Perhaps the only way to lessen the work load on front loaders is to wash and rinse in them only, then transfer laundry to a separate extractor. This one supposes would lessen some of the work/forces on motor, shocks, bearings, suspension and so forth. But such a move isn't up everyone's street. As for building a "shed" for a Milnor or other commercial unit then leaving it behind. That likely would not be a very good economic decision. Frist it means you are placing a *HUGE* amount of trust that whomever purchases a property in future needs and or even wants such a thing. Given the large number of Miele washers including Little Giants one sees on eBay, CL and elsewhere that cannot be given away by new owners of property, I shouldn't put too much money into that scheme. Of course if ROI isn't a factor, then building a "commercial" laundry space might not be a bad way to go. |
Post# 917019 , Reply# 18   1/22/2017 at 20:29 (2,647 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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I still say build the shed. David could then take the units with him if he moves and the next owner would have a nice shed. He may also need 2 washing machines, one a front loader and a top loader. Also, with the dryers, why not one gas and one electric? I wonder if stacked dryers could be set up this way.
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Post# 917090 , Reply# 21   1/23/2017 at 09:38 (2,647 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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The LG's are very good machines. I used one for a couple years...and it was great. Your is even nicer and bigger so hopefully you can get good service out of it.
I have nothing good to say about SQ front loaders. I used them while living in an apartment and they were awful. Granted that was a few years ago so maybe the newer ones are better. Out of balance issues were my biggest complaint. And yes I know how to load a washer LOL. |
Post# 917215 , Reply# 24   1/23/2017 at 20:37 (2,646 days old) by Laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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If LG is so unlike here, I think those who make the claims need to look at the frequency of repair write ups in Consumer Reports. According to those who own and use them, the washer AND dryer they are the most reliable. I personally have had great results and washed things like stuffed animals,pillows, cushions,feather pillows,shoes,car mats,and runners.I bought two sets. One for two different Aunts back in 2012. Neither of which have ever been in need of repair. However, the Maytag dishwasher has failed twice and the Maytag French door refrige was just replaced via Whirlpool after a six month absolute nightmare with Whirlpool. They accused my Aunt of lying about her problem and the seventh visit in three months for the same problem was enough. I threatened to file a suit with the evidence and she just received a voucher to replace it with a new model. Now,she wants to replace it with an LG.
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Post# 917225 , Reply# 25   1/23/2017 at 21:18 (2,646 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)   |   | |
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Some people have horrible luck with some brands over others. Go with what works for you. We pretty much had to buy SQ as my mother wanted a new set, and needed the dead simple knob style interface. I wanted an FL machine. Enter SQ. We have had to replace the motor control board on the washer already after very little use, and I realized the dryer is an awfully utilitarian piece of consumer engineering. Nonetheless I would likely buy the same again...although those new Electrolux's seem might fine too. |
Post# 917227 , Reply# 26   1/23/2017 at 21:26 (2,646 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)   |   | |
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Ok...
what model was this speed queen? Did you read the warranty bond? There is a tub warranty. If anything, make Alliance repair it and sell the pair. I am just posting this for clarification. Limited Warranty Home Topload Washer, Frontload Washer, Dryer, Stacked Dryer/Dryer or Stacked Washer and Dryer I. WHAT THIS LIMITED WARRANTY COVERS AND FOR HOW LONG. Alliance Laundry Systems, Ripon, WI 54971 extends this limited warranty to the first single family household consumer, or by warranty transfer to a new owner, of an Alliance Laundry Systems home topload washer, frontload washer, dryer, stacked dryer/dryer or stacked washer and dryer. Alliance Laundry Systems will repair or replace, free of charge, any part which fails as a result of a defect in material or workmanship for the time period shown after the date of original installation. Alliance Laundry Systems will also pay the labor charges when service is provided by an Alliance Laundry Systems Authorized Service Company. NOTE: If the unit is operated in a multiple user setting or commercial application, the unit limited warranty is three (3) years parts and five (5) year transmission warranty only. Labor coverage is not included in this limited warranty.* Mechanical Timer Topload Washer Models Three (3) years parts and labor limited warranty on the complete washer. Five (5) year limited warranty on cabinet assembly against rust from the inside out. Year 4 through 5 parts only limited warranty. Five (5) year limited warranty on the motor. Year 4 through 5 parts only limited warranty. Fifteen (15) year limited warranty on the transmission assembly. Year 4 through 15 parts only limited warranty. NOTE: For units purchased prior to September 2013, ten (10) year limited warranty on the transmission assembly. Year 4 through 10 parts only limited warranty. Lifetime limited warranty on the stainless steel tub and outer tub against rust or corrosion. Mechanical Timer Stainless Steel Dryer AND Stainless Steel Frontload Washer Models Three (3) year limited labor warranty on the complete washer/dryer. Five (5) year limited parts warranty on complete dryer. Five (5) year limited parts warranty on complete washer. Lifetime limited warranty on stainless steel cabinet assembly, cylinder and bulkheads against rust or corrosion. Mechanical Timer Painted Models Single AND Stack Dryer Three (3) years parts and labor limited warranty on the complete dryer. Five (5) year limited warranty on cabinet assembly against rust from the inside out. Year 4 through 5 parts only limited warranty. Lifetime limited warranty on the Commercial Steel Cylinder against rust or corrosion. Mechanical Timer Painted Stack Washer/Dryer AND Mechanical Timer Painted Single Frontload Washer Models Three (3) years parts and labor limited warranty on complete washer/dryer. Five (5) year limited warranty on washer motor. Year 4 through 5 parts only limited warranty. Five (5) year limited warranty on washer cylinder bearings and seal assembly. Year 4 through 5 parts only limited warranty. Five (5) year limited warranty on cabinet assembly against rust from the inside out. Year 4 through 5 parts only limited warranty. Lifetime limited warranty on the washer stainless steel wash basket and outer tub, Commercial Steel Drying Cylinder against rust or corrosion. Electronic Display Topload Washer Models Five (5) years parts and labor limited warranty on the complete washer. Five (5) years parts and labor on cabinet assembly against rust from the inside out. Fifteen (15) years limited warranty on the transmission assembly. Year 6 through 15 parts only limited warranty. Lifetime limited warranty on the stainless steel tub and outer tub against rust or corrosion. Electronic Display Dryer (Painted and Stainless Steel Models) Five (5) years parts and labor warranty on the complete dryer. Five (5) years parts and labor on cabinet assembly against rust from the inside out. Lifetime limited warranty on stainless steel cabinet assembly, commercial steel cylinder and bulkheads against rust or corrosion. Electronic Display Frontload Washer (Painted and Stainless Steel Models) Five (5) years parts and labor limited warranty on the complete washer. Five (5) years parts and labor on cabinet assembly against rust from the inside out. Lifetime limited warranty on stainless steel cabinet assembly, stainless steel wash basket and outer tub against rust or corrosion. Electronic Display Stack Washer/Dryer Models Five (5) years parts and labor limited warranty on the complete washer/dryer. Five (5) years parts and labor on cabinet assembly against rust from the inside out. Lifetime limited warranty on commercial steel cylinder, bulkheads, stainless steel wash basket and outer tub against rust or corrosion. Pedestal Bases Five (5) years limited warranty on base assembly against rust from the inside out. Parts only limited warranty entire five (5) years. NOTE: For products that are not registered within the first year after shipment, warranty coverage will begin 30 days after shipment for North American shipments. II. WHAT THIS LIMITED WARRANTY DOES NOT COVER. Alliance Laundry Systems will not provide a replacement for any part which fails for reasons other than defective material or workmanship. Alliance Laundry Systems is not responsible for failure as a result of abuse, misuse, improper installation, transportation damage and chemical damage that results in rusting or corroding components. Alliance Laundry Systems is not responsible for clothing or machine damage caused by foreign objects placed in unit. Alliance Laundry Systems is not responsible for damage resulting from worn or cracked washer hoses. Alliance Laundry Systems is not responsible for any consequential damage resulting from any malfunction. Alliance Laundry Systems is not responsible for labor charges that result from a service call where a unit is found to function as designed. Alliance Laundry Systems is not responsible for extra labor charges and extended travel expenses due to customers installing units in areas beyond the selling dealers normal service area. Remote Service is considered in excess of 50 miles from selling dealer. (100 miles round trip) Alliance Laundry Systems shall not be responsible for, and rejects liability for any part failure if such failure is due to an act of God, natural disaster, vandalism, intentional infliction of damage or dereliction. Alliance Laundry Systems shall not be responsible for freight or transportation costs of any part covered under the terms of the product warranty. Alliance Laundry Systems is not responsible and reserves the right to void any product warranty for damage to any electrical component (i.e. inverter drives and output boards) in washers connected to a fluctuating power supply (i.e. stand-by generators with uncontrolled output) or damage caused by line voltage exceeding factory recommended specifications. III. HOW TO OBTAIN REPLACEMENT PARTS UNDER THIS LIMITED WARRANTY. Parts which fail within the limited warranty period must be ordered from your local Authorized Alliance Laundry Systems Parts source. Be prepared to provide proof of purchase, model and serial number. IV. PRODUCT REGISTRATION. New owners of Alliance Laundry Systems equipment are encouraged to register their appliance to insure proper limited warranty coverage. Register online at www.speedqueen.com/support/regist... or contact your dealer to register your appliance. All information will be kept confidential and will not be distributed to other parties. For Huebsch Canada customers, use home.huebsch.com/prod-reg/... to register your product. For Canadian customers, use home.huebsch.com/prod-reg/... to register your product. V. WHERE LIMITED WARRANTY IS APPLICABLE. Limited Warranty is applicable to units purchased and operated in the Continental USA, Alaska, Hawaii and Canada. *Frontload Washer or Stacked Washer/Dryer installed in On Premises Laundry (OPL) applications are under one-year (12 months) parts only warranty for entire product. Examples of OPL installations include, but are not limited to, prisons, animal hospitals, detention centers, military bases, salons, hotels and fitness centers. |
Post# 917263 , Reply# 28   1/24/2017 at 03:50 (2,646 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Bruce, what the heck are you doing up so late?
Everyone I know who has an LG laundry pair is very happy with them. It will be interesting to see how long the machine will withstand extremely heavy use. On the upside, the increased capacity of the LG will allow the original poster to do fewer loads per day. |
Post# 917837 , Reply# 29   1/27/2017 at 12:36 (2,643 days old) by DavidBlazor (Astoria Oregon)   |   | |
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The Queens are officially gone and the new Kenmore Elite's are installed and on the first load. I will update my opinions of these machines later. Today their is around 15 loads. |
Post# 917838 , Reply# 30   1/27/2017 at 12:50 (2,643 days old) by brucelucenta ()   |   | |
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Looking forward to hearing how you like them. |
Post# 917841 , Reply# 31   1/27/2017 at 12:54 (2,643 days old) by washman (o)   |   | |
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Hi frig! |
Post# 918049 , Reply# 33   1/29/2017 at 01:51 (2,641 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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Glad you're happy! Your usage pattern will be a good gauge as to the durability of these LG machines. |