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Thread Number: 72404
/ Tag: Modern Dryers
Do they have gas dryers in Europe? |
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| Post# 956839 9/9/2017 at 22:23 (2,414 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 956846 , Reply# 1 9/9/2017 at 23:31 (2,414 days old) by askolover  (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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Post# 956864 , Reply# 2 9/10/2017 at 02:05 (2,414 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Gas dryers are very rare here in Europe. Heatpump dryers are becoming the norm here for several reasons. Heatpump dryers are very energy efficient, but also there is an end to the resource of natural gas. There will come an end to natural gas as fuel for heating houses too. Only White Knight in the UK still manufactures gas clothes dryers. Miele stopped making them a long time ago already because they didn't sell in Europe. A lot of European people prefer line drying above using a tumble dryer, even if they have one. I suppose the extra costs of putting an extra gas line in and buying a more expensive dryer doesn't pay itself back.
Here is the White Knight dryer: whiteknightdryers.com/shop/white... | ||
| Post# 956866 , Reply# 3 9/10/2017 at 02:21 (2,414 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Heat pump dryers are more energy efficient, but they take a long time to dry a load of clothes. Gas dryers are common in North America, and they can dry a load of clothes fast! More electric dryers are sold than gas dryers, but electric can be just as fast as a gas dryer, but some take a long time to dry a load of clothes. My Maytag DG810 gas dryer can dry a load of clothes fast, and does a great job at drying clothes! Gas dryers are more economic to use, since they only need a standard 120VAC outlet, but electric dryers require a 240VAC outlet to run ( 240VAC in North America is only used for electric dryers, electric stoves, electric water heaters, and air conditioning )
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Post# 956869 , Reply# 4 9/10/2017 at 02:30 (2,414 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 956870 , Reply# 5 9/10/2017 at 02:42 (2,414 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 956871 , Reply# 6 9/10/2017 at 02:55 (2,414 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 956880 , Reply# 7 9/10/2017 at 05:52 (2,414 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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Post# 956883 , Reply# 9 9/10/2017 at 06:31 (2,414 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 956906 , Reply# 11 9/10/2017 at 10:10 (2,413 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Much more heat | ||
| Post# 956907 , Reply# 12 9/10/2017 at 10:11 (2,413 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK) | ||
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Post# 956910 , Reply# 13 9/10/2017 at 10:16 (2,413 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 956913 , Reply# 14 9/10/2017 at 10:26 (2,413 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 956926 , Reply# 16 9/10/2017 at 11:31 (2,413 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Here in SoCal, a lot of people use natural gas for heating their homes. There are people in rural areas that use electric for heating ( Some people use propane for heating ). The house I live in has a wood burning fire place, and sometimes we use that for heating the house. I care more about the air conditioning, rather than the heating! LOL!
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Post# 956938 , Reply# 18 9/10/2017 at 13:27 (2,413 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 956939 , Reply# 19 9/10/2017 at 13:42 (2,413 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California) | ||
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Just as fracking has caused earthquakes in the Great Plains states of USA. California would have earthquakes with or without energy extraction. ;) (but then, most new buildings are constructed to survive 7.0+) | ||
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Post# 956949 , Reply# 20 9/10/2017 at 15:37 (2,413 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Using Natural Gas For Clothes drying
May actually reduce demand for gas overall, it certainly does here in the US as large amounts of NG are now burned to generate electricity, and if gas is burned at a power plant to produce enough electricity to power resistance heated electric dryers you have to burn almost three times as much NG as you would if you just had a gas dryer in the first place.
Even heat-pump dryers make little environmental sense if NG is available in the home where a dryer would be. Consider that a large percentage of clothes and linen drying in Europe is done by NG anyway, nearly all laundromats and commercial laundries use NG to dry the clothing there. John L. | ||
| Post# 956951 , Reply# 21 9/10/2017 at 15:50 (2,413 days old) by ServisChris (Southampton, Hampshire UK) | ||
Gas tumble driers in the UK
As far as I am aware, the only DOMESTIC gas tumble dryers would be White Knight.
As for commercial applications, many commercial premises have gas heat tumble dryers made by Alliance Laundry Systems, Electrolux Laundry Systems and so on. With a gas tumble dryer they will just plug in with only a 0.3kW motor and dont need a larger 32a 1~ 230v supply or 400v 3~ put in place for large heating elements. Saying that, the commercial market is following the domestic and there are commercial heat pump dryers out there and are coming into fashion - Primus seem to be leading the way on the com. HP front. (Ive worked on a few). Chris | ||
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Post# 956954 , Reply# 22 9/10/2017 at 16:14 (2,413 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 956957 , Reply# 24 9/10/2017 at 16:25 (2,413 days old) by brucelucenta () | ||
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Gas dryers OMG yes, coin op laundries would almost HAVE to use gas dryers. Can you imagine the electricity bill if they were electric? | ||
| Post# 957113 , Reply# 25 9/11/2017 at 11:46 (2,412 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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The reason why they mostly, and only use gas dryers in laundromats is because it would not be practical to dry clothes at the laundromat, and most people dry their clothes at the laundromat as soon as they are done. They do use electric dryers in small laundry facilities like apartment laundromats, and small commercial laundry facilities. The electric bill would be VARY expensive, if all the dryers in a traditional laundromat were electric!
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| Post# 957129 , Reply# 27 9/11/2017 at 15:02 (2,412 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Heat pump dryers are energy efficient, but are not as efficient with time. Gas dryers have fast drying time, and they can get it done fast. One down side to heat pump dryers is, they are more complex, and are not as simple as a vented dryer, plus vented dryers do a proper cool-down for permanent press fabrics (synthetics) and dry faster.
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| Post# 957153 , Reply# 29 9/11/2017 at 17:33 (2,412 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Heat pump dryers are great if you don't have a vent, but I don't know how much more they cost than a traditional vented gas/electric dryer, but they might cost a little more. Gas dryers in the US are the most economical dryers to use, and they have instant heat. I always make sure there to keep the dryer clean of lint, and I don't overload the dryer either (having a dryer with a lot of lint build up can affect dryer efficiency, and can be a fire hazard)
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Post# 957163 , Reply# 30 9/11/2017 at 19:00 (2,412 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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| Post# 957245 , Reply# 32 9/12/2017 at 13:02 (2,411 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Do they just only sell Speed Queen dryers, or do they sell Speed Queen washers and dryers in Ireland? Speed Queen is the only one who makes traditional top load washers and dryers in the US, all of the others ones that are on the market are cheaply made. There is a high demand on the used appliance market for traditional top load washers and dryers here in the US.
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| Post# 957381 , Reply# 34 9/13/2017 at 11:04 (2,410 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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I don't have a Speed Queen washer and dryer, but I do have a Maytag A810 washer and Maytag DG810 gas dryer from the early 80's that has had no repairs to my knowledge, and works like new still. The only thing I need to do to my Maytag washer and dryer is to get the washer new belts, and the dryer a new drum belt, but other than that, that is the only repairs I need to do to it. Most US washers and dryers have three wash cycles (programmers) they are Regular Fabrics, Delicate Fabrics, and Permanent Press (synthetics). The US dryer cycles (programmers) are Regular Fabrics, Delicate Fabrics, and Permanent Press (synthetics), and Timed Drying (the timer will go up to 60, 70, or 80 minutes). Some dryers in the US just have Timed Drying, but they allow you to manually set the tempature, and the temperature settings are Regular Fabrics, Permanent Press (synthetics), and Delicate Fabrics.
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| Post# 957392 , Reply# 37 9/13/2017 at 12:46 (2,410 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 957409 , Reply# 38 9/13/2017 at 16:29 (2,410 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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I'll say it again
Condenser, heat pump, non-vented or whatever dryers are a solution to a problem. They may work well enough in that capacity and or to solve issues this or that government wants to push, but far as the USA market is concerned vented dryers will always dominate market sales.
As to the source of heat for such dryers it usually comes down to local utility costs, installation specifics and perhaps personal preferences. In Manhattan and other parts of NYC where large multifamily buildings dominate installation of gas dryers may not be possible. That leaves electric, and even then depending upon wiring in apartment you may not even be able to get 208v-240v power and are stuck with 120v. Meanwhile elsewhere such as on Staten Island gas dryers dominate. The place is largely private homes with both access to natural gas lines *and* exterior walls for venting. Heat pump, condenser and so forth electric dryers are all very well; but a simple gas or even electric vented dryer can (and have) run for decades with minimal to nil care. In fact it is often the washing machine that dies and or otherwise wants replacing before a dryer. Hence many sellers *forcing* anyone interested to take them both as job lot. Consumer Reports for years has advised housewives and others when buying a new washer if the dryer still works keep it. However then as now many persons wanted or want a matched set so there you are then. As often demonstrated here in this group a gas or electric vented dryer decades old has been put back into service. Yes, some may need attention but there you are. IIRC the largest energy efficiency gain from American dryers has come from forcing manufactures to include moisture sensors on all models regardless of energy source. Other than that many of today's offerings are not vastly different than what came before. Heating wattage may have decreased, but then again few to nil households are drying heavy and wet laundry that comes pretty much dripping out of a wringer washer. Will give you that for those without options a condenser dryer and thus by extension perhaps a heat-pump unit can be an excellent choice. However as one has frequently stated our AEG OKO-Lavatherm is nearly next to useless. Weather in NYC is only "cold" enough about three to four months per year for the thing to work. | ||
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Post# 957411 , Reply# 39 9/13/2017 at 16:40 (2,410 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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American Laundry Appliances In Europe
Prior to 1950's there were plenty of American made and or produced under license and sold laundry appliances in UK/Europe. Have seen adverts for Maytag wringer washers in French for the France market.
Thing to remember is that nasty event called WWII totally interrupted consumer appliance production the world over for several years. Once that was over came the rebuilding period of post WWII era. The United States emerged from WWII largely unscathed as a nation physically as battles had been fought elsewhere. However in UK and Europe it was another matter. Vast swaths of everything from housing to infrastructure needed rebuilding. Top loading washing machines were not unknown in Europe, but the fact so many households had space requirements which mandated washers that could be fitted into or off a kitchen or bath made h-axis washers a more piratical design. Then you have the fact it was possible to add a heater for front loaders. This made more sense when you consider many older and even some newly built homes in Europe didn't have central hot water tanks. In terms of energy efficacy it is far better to have a washing machine heat the water it needs, then keeping a central tank going all day. Finally consider many European housewives and others of the time considered top loading washers with their central beaters "old fashioned" and hard on one's wash. It reminded them of wash days using a battior, washboard, and brush to beat and or scrub one's washing (often to death). | ||
| Post# 957426 , Reply# 41 9/13/2017 at 19:28 (2,410 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 957442 , Reply# 44 9/13/2017 at 21:58 (2,410 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Only persons one is aware of happy with condensing dryers
In NYC and surrounding area, and this includes a non-active member were persons who were running their AC during warmer months of the year. This was obviously their personal decision but do not see the point of turning on an appliance designed to make the house cooler just to run another appliance work properly.
There are large swaths of the year when one does not use the AC but weather is still not optimal for using the Lavatherm, and am not going to turn on the former to use the latter. Tonight it is around 69F, but Dew Point is 69F with humidity 89%. There just isn't great enough temperature and moisture differential between indoor air and that inside the dryer for the thing to function properly. Suppose one *could* just let it go until things are ready, but I don't have that kind of time. Also so you will know, Paulo my dryer is not a "lemon" nor "malfunctioning", this has been confirmed by AEG. The dryer is doing what is supposed to do as have been told. Depending upon certain factors such has residual moisture 115 to 120 minutes is considered *normal* to dry a 6kg load of wash in this dryer. OTOH smaller Whirlpool compact dryer can do between 3kg to 6kg (depending upon what load consists) in about 60 to 80 minutes. Heavy and thick terrycloth items like bath towels and robes take longer. Loads made up just of clothing such as undergarments and so forth less. | ||
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Post# 957443 , Reply# 45 9/13/2017 at 22:00 (2,410 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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iej--james US type gas dryers paired with Euro high efficiency washers can actually be an extremely good solution though. You get laundry dry very quickly as the US machines are designed for much wetter clothes.
That is exactly why I have an Asko and a Miele along with a GE and Frigidaire gas dryers! I just washed my 100% cotton queen quilt in the Miele, spun at 1200rpm, and dried it in the Frigidaire...it was dry in under an hour.
I've always felt that people who believe they must always have a "matched set" have more dollars than sense. | ||
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Post# 957490 , Reply# 50 9/14/2017 at 07:49 (2,409 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 957495 , Reply# 52 9/14/2017 at 08:06 (2,409 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 957508 , Reply# 54 9/14/2017 at 10:01 (2,409 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 957520 , Reply# 55 9/14/2017 at 11:36 (2,409 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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Earthquakes ? | ||
| Post# 957526 , Reply# 56 9/14/2017 at 11:48 (2,409 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 957532 , Reply# 57 9/14/2017 at 12:36 (2,409 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Yes, earthquakes. I live in a rental apartment, so I'm not concerned, but there are signs of it here too. Most are outside the city though closer to the gas fields. Here's a story.
www.theguardian.com/envir... | ||
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