Thread Number: 72514
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Dishwasher Brand/Model Recommendations? |
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Post# 958138 , Reply# 1   9/19/2017 at 12:03 (2,402 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 958145 , Reply# 2   9/19/2017 at 13:14 (2,402 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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how about buying a ge dishwasher this is the dishwasher i have rated number 1 on the top 10 dishwasher list ita also made in the usa itd a general electric profile dishwasher you even have an option to wash bottles
products.geappliances.com/applian... CLICK HERE TO GO TO pierreandreply4's LINK
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Post# 958185 , Reply# 3   9/19/2017 at 17:51 (2,402 days old) by pumpkina (California)   |   | |
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Thanks. I read that the Boschs' dish racks are too closely spaced. I took my dishes to Lowe's and confirmed this on the Bosch, but not the Whirlpool. I'm afraid of GE, given their bad rep with refrigerators, washers, and dryers. |
Post# 958187 , Reply# 4   9/19/2017 at 17:58 (2,402 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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Post# 958221 , Reply# 5   9/19/2017 at 23:47 (2,402 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)   |   | |
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According to the GE webpage that's on Pierre's post the dishwasher he has is no longer being manufactured. |
Post# 958228 , Reply# 6   9/20/2017 at 02:00 (2,402 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 958236 , Reply# 8   9/20/2017 at 04:03 (2,402 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 958279 , Reply# 10   9/20/2017 at 10:22 (2,401 days old) by pumpkina (California)   |   | |
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Thanks How can I tell the difference between nylon and vinyl? I thought that only iron rusts? Do vinyl have iron in it? Thanks |
Post# 958282 , Reply# 11   9/20/2017 at 10:23 (2,401 days old) by brucelucenta ()   |   | |
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Most any of the upper level Whirlpool made machines are good choices. |
Post# 958286 , Reply# 12   9/20/2017 at 10:31 (2,401 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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best advice i can give you would be to try and find a vintage kitchenaid dishwasheror a vintage kenmore dishwasher like the pic i posted they are great cleaners andmade to last long
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Post# 958290 , Reply# 13   9/20/2017 at 10:57 (2,401 days old) by pumpkina (California)   |   | |
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Thanks, pierreandreply4 Where can I find that? What model years of KitchenAid dishwashers do you recommend? Any particular features (eg plastic vs stainless steel) should I look for? Thanks |
Post# 958294 , Reply# 15   9/20/2017 at 11:37 (2,401 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 958299 , Reply# 16   9/20/2017 at 11:53 (2,401 days old) by pumpkina (California)   |   | |
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Thanks. How can I tell vinyl from nylon racks? Thanks |
Post# 958310 , Reply# 17   9/20/2017 at 13:19 (2,401 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)   |   | |
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I am a huge Miele dishwasher fan. I sell a ton of them. I have two of them. I have definitely been drinking the koolaid.
That being said, if you don't like how close the Bosch tines are, you probably won't like the Miele. My next step down from the Miele is generally the KitchenAid units that have the clean water wash system. It is sort of a hybrid between their new filter wash system and the wash system that is in the new Maytags. It has a larger pump than the filtration machines, but it has a self-cleaning filter that flushes the debris away when it back flows for the drain. I also like the KitchenAid ProDry which lets you use a fan-based air dry or heated and fan dry. We are not a fan of GE's dishwashers. We don't have good reliability with them. We see a lot of electronic issues. Frigidaire seems to make a pretty decent budget machine. We always have mid-range Electrolux units on sale, they feel like they are built very well. Basically, it all comes down to what you want your dishwasher to be able to handle. CLICK HERE TO GO TO jkbff's LINK |
Post# 958315 , Reply# 18   9/20/2017 at 13:54 (2,401 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I love my Miele. I got it used at the ReStore. It made me forget quick about the vintage KA and ISE machines I owned previously, and since I almost always run it after dinner, I don't care how long it takes to complete the job. What I do care about is clean, sparkling dishes and, in particular, glassware, and the Miele is superior in this regard.
I used a Bosch in a vacation rental and absolutely hated it. It was flimsy and the rack design was both aggravating and a pitiful use of space. There is absolutely no comparison or contest between Bosch and Miele, IMO.
You have a really good ReStore in San Carlos that has barely-used high end appliances from trophy homes on the peninsula that are being gutted yet again by new money (on paper) techsters. Go see what's there. |
Post# 958318 , Reply# 19   9/20/2017 at 14:11 (2,401 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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for vintage i would reccomend a KDS-57 the lucky part is if you find a portable you can convert it to built in and if you move 1 day to a place whee you need a portable dishwasher you can convert it back to portable and in a vintage dishwasher the inside is porcelain and if you went a more modern model i would recomment for a more modern version this model with a window that way you can see if the dishwasher finish its cycle and lots of members here can reccomend you a good vintage dishwasher that would give you years of use
www.kitchenaid.ca/fr_CA/magasiner... |
Post# 958331 , Reply# 21   9/20/2017 at 16:36 (2,401 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 958355 , Reply# 23   9/20/2017 at 19:25 (2,401 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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My Kenmore Elite (KitchenAid) regularly is abused. It has handled crusty meatloaf pan, broccoli/rice/cheese casserole dish that had burned edges (that was the dish that finally got myh partner to stop rinsing dishes. I turbozoned said dish on high temp and Pots & Pan and it came out spotless. I don't give a damn about the amount of time. I don't have to stand at sink and scrub pots, pans, casserole dishes (nor soak them either). |
Post# 958379 , Reply# 24   9/20/2017 at 22:17 (2,401 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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I continue to fail to understand what's the problem with long dishwasher cycles. Do a substantial number of people nowadays have just one plate, glass, fork, and knife such that they can't have another meal until the cycle is done? It's an automatic machine doing the work on the user's behalf. Enjoy the leisure time. :-) |
Post# 958387 , Reply# 25   9/20/2017 at 23:18 (2,401 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 958525 , Reply# 28   9/21/2017 at 22:51 (2,400 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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This part of Wyoming has no decent restaurants or cafes. So - there's the prep work for dinner for 12. Usually a several course dinner with appetizers and deserts. Then the clean up before, during and after dinner. I'm unrelenting, here - I just don't see why I should accept several hour long washes when I have seven loads to do! It's absurd. Sure, when it's just the two of us and the animals it's no big hu-hu to let the dishwasher run overnight. But seven loads? So not happening. I am willing to bet any queen here who is doing that level of cooking and entertaining on a regular basis wouldn't be willing to put up with it, either - there'd be a vintage KA or GE or two or three running straight on through. |
Post# 958530 , Reply# 29   9/21/2017 at 23:44 (2,400 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Post# 958570 , Reply# 30   9/22/2017 at 08:16 (2,399 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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We have nine dishwashers we rotate through regularly - beginning with a KA15, lower rack cleaning is out of this world, top half rack is, well - I can load the lower rack such that the top rack comes clean but nobody else has ever figured out how to do it. Going on to several variations on the Potscrubber I and III (no use here for the Potscrubber II trash), ending with a Triton XL (the one which gummed up when the phosphates came out of the detergents and cleaned great, if you had four hours time). A sprinkling of countertop commercial (washes at 75ºC) and two Maytag RR, one the portable without the rinse-aid.
One GSD 1200 or Twenty-Eight Hundred works just fine for such a large party when I'm in charge of the clean-up and none, absolutely NONE of the guests are permitted to 'help' out in the kitchen, especially with clean-up. I don't pre-rinse ever, if it's smaller than a VW Van, it goes into the dishwasher. First two or three loads are from the prep - pots and pans and bowls and beaters and food processor parts, cutting boards (yes, gasp wood, too) and everything but high-carbon steel cutlery. Then come the quick rinses for the special serving plates or lead-crystal or whatever we (usually me) have forgotten to get out the day before. This could easily mean just a top rack (gasp! The horrors of it all - I'm destroying the environment single-handedly!!!) While my far more social mate entertains (and the late guests arrive), I've got the first round of appetizer/snacks/ Amuse Bouche running. I should add that, were I entertaining, it would all be Correlle and stainless-steel with Libby glass. Not the case - we'll be using 1920's china, silver, lead-crystal, cheap but cheerful 1950's Mexican pottery, etc. - in short, nothing which can be thrown in to be washed with other stuff together, some of which only getting hot rinses without detergent, etc. Finally the main course table service, the coffee/desert/snackes, etc. and then, at the end, the pots and pans and serving bowls/platters which held the left-overs which went into ziplock bags (I put my foot down on my Pyrex when I realized it never came back).
So, yeah - often two dishwashers running at the same time, one a commercial. But - I refuse to wake up to a dirty kitchen, I can't stand it when other people put things away and I can't find them and, worst of all, it drives me crazy when some helpful queen scrubs a vintage 1940's cast aluminium pressure cooker with a GREEN Scotch-Brite pad or puts the silver cutlery in with the stainless steel and pours chlorine-bleach over them.
We all have different ways of doing things, I find it challenging enough to cook around the genuine soy/gluten/'real' vegetarian/real diabetes problems, much less the 'food allergy of the week' hysteria of the fading, jaded queens. I refuse to be up until three in the morning cleaning and scrubbing when there's machines which can do it better than I.
Seriously, how do you ladies entertain twice or more a month, 12 people at a time or so? Serious question. And no, if you're not the one cleaning the dining room/kitchen, your opinion doesn't count. This post was last edited 09/22/2017 at 08:56 |
Post# 958574 , Reply# 31   9/22/2017 at 09:22 (2,399 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Then just press the one hour wash button--Problems solved.
Though I rarely entertain, there are a few times a year that I have multiple loads to do such as holidays, birthdays, etc. Though my Kitchenaid isn't as slow as all that. A normal load with High temp modifiers, and sani rinse is about 90 minutes. If you add the Pro-scrub, it adds about 20 minutes. I rarely use the heated dry. When baking, or doing prep, you can choose the 1 hr option. With the one hour wash the cycle is quicker because the machine just automatically fills to the max and starts spraying. It doesn't pause and sense, like it does on the sensor cycles. One thing with the longer cycle times. With the new phosphate free detergents that are enzyme based, they do a better job with a longer wash time and lower temps. I have tried using my Cascade commercial (fryer boil) detergent in the 1 hr wash and I don't get great results because the temperatures don't reach a high enough range for the Chlorine based detergent to really kick in. I am a wash as I go cook, my pots and pans don't go in the dish machine. So I keep a sink of hot water as I am cooking, I wash the pans as they are used. This reduces the piles, and saves cleanup time later. As for the model, I have a Kitchenaid that was bought in 2013, as a left over 2012 model. It is the point voyger platform with a food disposer. Been very happy with it and the results. I have a service contract, and had an annual check up done once, they found the rinse aid dispenser was dispensing too much and replaced the dispenser free of charge. No other problems to report. |
Post# 958578 , Reply# 32   9/22/2017 at 10:01 (2,399 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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So you have nine dishwashers, but use 2 at a time.
Well that's good at least. 1 would be a huge bottle neck as you described. My parents do most of the holiday entertaining, and even though they have a new THREE HOUR WASH GE, it does hold almost 1.5x the dishware the old Triton XL held. So even though it runs longer, it's washing more dishes at a time. And with the dual silverware baskets now, everything makes it in the first load. 1 load for dishware. 1 load for cookware after, and maybe some straggling glassware. Voila! Done. Of course that's just 2x a year, about. |
Post# 958643 , Reply# 35   9/22/2017 at 19:44 (2,399 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Of course you don't see the problem. I wouldn't expect that you would. Then again, I'm hoping against hope for at least Bartsch if not Waggenknecht (he's too cautious) for the next Kanzler/-in and you are no doubt hopeful dear old Angie will continue on with the same old, same old. This is the last election I'll be able to participate in and I would so like to have seen the last of that conservative, staid group. And, actually, it isn't a problem - I enjoy entertaining, I hate dirty dishes, I use the appropriate technology to solve it. Of course, all these 'One Hour' programs won't work without pre-scrubbing, but, it's a sweet thought. Show me the modern dishwasher (non-commercial) which can take the loads I dump in the Twenty-Eight Hundred during a major 12 person dinner and I'll think about it. Not seen anything anywhere near that, so far. |
Post# 958694 , Reply# 38   9/23/2017 at 09:59 (2,398 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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I know for a fact that my 1979 Miele or my aunt's 2013 Miele could do it - but, I'm not in Germany, I'm in the US and something you keep forgetting is that the Americas are stuck in the 19th century when it comes to electrical power. Except for the counter-top commercial which does draw 240V, 20A (but has a limited capacity), everything runs on 125V. The Twenty-Eight Hundred draws just at eight amps in full service. Eight amps. That's it. Now, the current Bosch range available in the Americas, with our ancient, limited, 19th century service have three drawbacks compared to what even the least expensive Bosch has on offer in Germany: 1) Minimum cycle time for heavy loads is a whopping 135 minutes. You can't run input water warmer than 49ºC and you have 1/4 to 1/3 the heating capacity. Sure, yes, the Bosch can clean very well - friends here have one because I recommended it (North America Miele has awful customer service). Your conclusions are based on inappropriate data. 2) I don't pre-rinse or scrub. Anything except bones and olive pits goes into the dishwasher. No problem for the soft-foods disposer and outstanding self-cleaning filtration of the 1200 or Twenty-Eight Hundred. My experience with German dishwashers ended with the 2013 model year...are the new ones no longer equipped with those fine mesh filters and filter baskets which must be cleaned when several hundred cc of food soil is put in? Really? That's wonderful! When did they make the change? Oh, right, they didn't and, again, you're comparing apples to oranges.
Do you prepare, cook and clean up regularly after 12 person formal dinners? I havefriends in Austria, Italy and Hamburg who do. They all have servants and 3φ power for the café Miele dishwashers in their sculleries. Us common folks have to make do with reality.
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Post# 958725 , Reply# 39   9/23/2017 at 14:03 (2,398 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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A couple of thoughts about long cycle times...and why I don't like the idea for myself:
First, I find the entertaining argument very compelling. I haven't ever entertained on any sort of large scale during the periods I have been fortunate enough to live with a dishwasher. But from my memories of entertaining, period, and my memories of dishwashers, I conclude that it's not only the people trying to outdo Martha Stewart with a 14 course dinner for 20 people who might find a 3 hour cycle time a bit frustrating. indeed, I can remember being involved in large family dinners in the 1990s. There was no running dishwasher--although I wish there had been!--and even though those dinners were simple/casual, a long cycle would been beyond annoying, given that it would probably have been at least 3 loads to wash up all the cooking stuff used at the end of meal preparation (at least 1 load), and the dishes used on the table (at least 2 loads).
Then, on a day to day basis, I just don't like leaving appliances run totally unattended. I want to be around so in case something goes horribly wrong, I can address it. When I first had a dishwasher to use, I usually ran it late at night. Even on nights I was tired, I could stay up while it did its job--which took maybe 45 minutes (maybe less), not 3 hours. This post was last edited 09/23/2017 at 17:17 |