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Post# 959053   9/25/2017 at 15:12 (365 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

Hey guys. New to the forum but have looked for a bit. I'm looking for a good older washer and dryer. I would like something that will last and is repairable. I am redoing a place for me and I have a Tappan delux stove that is nice. I want to make this place like it ws 50 or 60 years older......I live in Tennessee if anyone know of some that are reasonable.
Like the form by the wy, good stuff

Post# 959056 , Reply# 1   9/25/2017 at 15:46 (364 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

In my humble opinion, you should look for a Maytag set that was made in Newton, Iowa. They seem to pop up everywhere now and again and many are in excellent shape. They were some of the very best machines ever made. The ones made from the 60's-90's are good units and will serve you well. My second choice would be a Whirlpool made direct drive washer with matching dryer. Those were also good units and fairly easy to repair also, when you find one in good shape. Those were made mostly in the late 80's thru the new century for a while. There are others too, like GE, but GE had a tendency to rust and not hold up as well. Maytag would really be the ones to have, if you can find the appropriate set. Just look on craig's list, you'll be surprised at what you will find.

Post# 959057 , Reply# 2   9/25/2017 at 15:51 (364 days old) by pumpkina (California)        

Thanks. What makes the Maytags of that vintage superior to the Whirlpools? Thanks!

Post# 959058 , Reply# 3   9/25/2017 at 15:55 (364 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Well, Maytags are much easier to service, should you need to and the tops are porcelain enamel, which is not always the case with some of the Whirlpool later models. They are heavier built too. A belt drive Whirlpool or Kenmore might not be bad, but they are much harder to service and more problematic IMO. Maytag machines made by Maytag really were the most dependable machines ever made. The only really major thing that Maytag has go wrong is if it slings oil underneath. That is the transmission seal and is a real pain to replace, so forgo one if you see that. The only advantage of a Whirlpool made machine of the 90's on is that they do have a much larger tub and the dryer has a larger drum too. Those machines are fairly easy to service too.

Post# 959061 , Reply# 4   9/25/2017 at 16:19 (364 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

I agree with the above. Personally I wouldn’t go much older than the 80’s. Especially if used regularly. Maytag is definitely most reliable, I don’t care to much for the performance. A direct drive washer would be your best bet in terms of reliability/ repairable/ ease to repair.

Post# 959062 , Reply# 5   9/25/2017 at 16:24 (364 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

True, the problem with vintage washers and dryers is that something 50 years old many times can have brittle seals and rubber parts and parts for those machines would be difficult to find.

Post# 959063 , Reply# 6   9/25/2017 at 16:43 (364 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

Thanks guys......I was hopeing to get good info and I'm sure there are some around somewhere

Post# 959064 , Reply# 7   9/25/2017 at 16:49 (364 days old) by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

The most trouble-free "daily drivers" in my collection are the 1953 WO-65-2, the 1963 WCI, (Frigidaires) and the 1964 Maytag A300 Highlander. I found that Maytag as an appliance store demonstrator in its original box about twelve years ago, in Cumming, Georgia.

Post# 959065 , Reply# 8   9/25/2017 at 16:53 (364 days old) by pumpkina (California)        


What brand is 1953 WO-65-2?

Post# 959068 , Reply# 9   9/25/2017 at 17:04 (364 days old) by Maytag85 (SoCal )        

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Maytag washers and dryers are the most dependable around. Whenever I go on to Craigslist to find a vintage Maytag washer and dryer, I mostly see Maytags from the 80's 90's (sometimes I see Maytags from the 70's) that are still around. Vintage Maytags seem to be everywhere, and are easy to find.

Post# 959069 , Reply# 10   9/25/2017 at 17:20 (364 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Where at in Tennessee? This one or similar, should last a long time.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO goatfarmer's LINK on Nashville Craigslist

Post# 959073 , Reply# 11   9/25/2017 at 17:28 (364 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Post# 959074 , Reply# 12   9/25/2017 at 17:30 (364 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

I'm in the tri-cities about 4 hrs from Nashville east.

Post# 959076 , Reply# 13   9/25/2017 at 17:32 (364 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Post# 959082 , Reply# 14   9/25/2017 at 18:01 (364 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

that one in Knox would be very close.....Just talked to the guy in Knox and he said its about 10 or 12 yrs old. I have no Idea about washers and dryers....But I do have a nice gas stove.

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Post# 959086 , Reply# 15   9/25/2017 at 18:17 (364 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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grabbing the washer, and then searching for a matching dryer is not always easy.....most times easier to go with a matched set from the start and you will have that one knocked out...

reply 11 is from the early 80' preference for these, yet I like them both...

reply 13 is from the early 90's

note too, both dryers are electric...

Post# 959118 , Reply# 16   9/25/2017 at 20:10 (364 days old) by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

You are right. That is a nice stove!
I did not care for the "Orbital" Maytags when introduced in the early 90's. Especially the extra capacity models, because of the 90 sec. Deep Rinse.
With the Extra capacity machines a tub full rarely even rolled over once before the Rinse cycle ended.
If you used a lot of detergent or some bleach, that short rinse was just not enough IMO.

Post# 959123 , Reply# 17   9/25/2017 at 20:48 (364 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

I talked to the guy with the machines in #11 in Knoxville. He said he only used it a few yrs and sold his house drained the water pump and has been in the garage. I'll be going to pick them up this week. I just want something sturdy and not these plastic machines of today. I recall my grandmothers wringer washer and the long oval tub that I use to get a bath in when I was younger

Post# 959160 , Reply# 18   9/26/2017 at 01:44 (364 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
A Maytag is ok

IF its on cement, but if you have a wood floor, forget it, everyone I ever had..4 of them, walked terribly, give me a GE, Frigidaire, Kenmore or Whirlpool!Im using a early 80s Hotpoint rimflow now and LOVE it, its as steady as a rock where the tag I used a few months tore a big hole in the vinyl before I could stop it!

Post# 959162 , Reply# 19   9/26/2017 at 01:46 (364 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
You are near

My FAVORITE BBQ joint, the Ridgewood in Bluff City!

Post# 959163 , Reply# 20   9/26/2017 at 01:47 (364 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        

Super 60!

Post# 959164 , Reply# 21   9/26/2017 at 04:25 (364 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Welcome, nice to see a fellow Tennessean here.  Kenmore/Whirlpools are good machines, but I'm partial to Maytags myself.  Mother's is 23 years old but hasn't walked yet and it's on a wood floor.  Mother-in-law's is about the same age and she's only had one repair...the lid switch.  And hers is on a wood floor too. 

Post# 959225 , Reply# 22   9/26/2017 at 09:23 (364 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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Somebody posted a center dial avocado set a week or so ago.


Post# 959266 , Reply# 23   9/26/2017 at 12:33 (364 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

If you get a Maytag set you will find you have a terrific set of machines that will last you a long time. I have NEVER had a Maytag that walked either. They have an automatic cut off for unbalanced loads that shuts off the machine. Maytag washers are among the most level, even spinning machines ever made. The tubs were balanced with precision and are as close to perfection as possible.

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Post# 959270 , Reply# 24   9/26/2017 at 13:16 (364 days old) by Maytag85 (SoCal )        

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Maytags don't walk, unless the leveling feet aren't level. The only thing that happened to the 1997 Maytag Dependable Care washer that was at my old house, is the washer moved itself away from the wall, and it flooded the garage (no water damage done, and it was not a hose burst), and it turns out the leveling feet weren't level :P.

Post# 959277 , Reply# 25   9/26/2017 at 14:08 (364 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

I might add that screwing in the leveling legs ALL the way in before starting to level the machine will help greatly too. The closer a washing machine is to the ground, the more stable it is. The further the legs are screwed out, the more spindly and unstable it is.

Post# 959309 , Reply# 26   9/26/2017 at 17:15 (363 days old) by pumpkina (California)        

Would a Maytag A7300 be reliable? See photo of actual washer someone is offering me.

What were the production dates for this model?

What sort of preventive maintenance, eg replaces rubber hoses, spring clamps, and belts, should I do even if it seems to work perfectly?


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Post# 959315 , Reply# 27   9/26/2017 at 17:44 (363 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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An A7300 should be a reliable machine.  Still made by Maytag in Newton IA, I'm pretty sure, probably sometime in the '90s, but with an orbital transmission (short agitation stroke) instead of helical (long stroke).

Post# 959319 , Reply# 28   9/26/2017 at 17:53 (363 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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now you know Ralph.....'orbital' answers so many questions.....

Post# 959323 , Reply# 29   9/26/2017 at 18:06 (363 days old) by pumpkina (California)        

I don't understand the orbital transmission issue.

Post# 959326 , Reply# 30   9/26/2017 at 18:24 (363 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        
Martin, your wisdom knows no bounds.

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Please read the parentheticals in my previous post. 


Maytag switched to the orbital transmission in the late '80s.  Anything beyond that would be a technically complex explanation.

Post# 959329 , Reply# 31   9/26/2017 at 18:49 (363 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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first, I understand and prefer the 'long stroke' any day!....especially on Wednesdays!

and second, would be someone who knows what their doing!

I think we need a hands-on workshop for this, there might be something new I could learn...added enhancement to the world of Martinizing!

Post# 959331 , Reply# 32   9/26/2017 at 19:11 (363 days old) by pumpkina (California)        

What are the pros and cons of orbital vs helical transmissions?

Post# 959333 , Reply# 33   9/26/2017 at 19:26 (363 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
Whirlpool/Kenmore Direct Drive hands down

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If you want a vintage W/D for daily use. They will EASILY outwash, outlive, and have less repairs than ANY other vintage TL. There is a reason WP/KM finally beat MT in CR ratings when they unleashed this design. Although the belt drives did wash better as well.

Post# 959334 , Reply# 34   9/26/2017 at 19:28 (363 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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there are plenty of discussions on this site to search and find about that....

its more of an opinion.....

the only pro/con to consider, one has fewer moving parts than the other inside

Post# 959335 , Reply# 35   9/26/2017 at 20:07 (363 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        
Cuz you knew it was coming . . .

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That "one" being the orbital.


Oh yeah, and sign me up for that Martinizing workshop! 

Post# 959356 , Reply# 36   9/27/2017 at 00:15 (363 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Orbitals only have 3 or 4 moving parts inside them but they agitate faster than the previous transmissions Maytag used.  The agitators themselves are a little different too.

This video below shows the internals of the older transmission design at 1:40.  Seeing it sure helped me to understand what was going on inside the case of my mother's old 1966 Maytag washer.

Below is a video from Lee Maxwell's washing machine museum and at 4:40 demonstrates the two transmissions side by side.  He refers to the orbital trans as helical in the video.

And here is another website comparing the two.

Below--Maytag also used a different transmission in their Performa line of washers.  Forward to 7:06 to see the internal workings of it.  From what I've read and heard the Performa's were very much cheapened and didn't hold up as well which caused much damage to Maytag's once stellar reputation.

I hope this helps explain a little better.  If I have anything wrong please correct me as most of you have much more repair experience with these than I do.




Post# 959358 , Reply# 37   9/27/2017 at 00:23 (363 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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This just posted on CL in Tri-cities.  Says it's brand new never used!!!

CLICK HERE TO GO TO askolover's LINK on Tricities Craigslist

Post# 959362 , Reply# 38   9/27/2017 at 01:15 (363 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Holy Crap, Greg, How cool is that!

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NIB, new in box, without the box, and with the rare wringer agitator in a Maytag automatic, to boot. Look at that tub sparkle! How beautiful the earlier dark tubbed and agitatored machines were. We rarely see what they actually looked like when new. Wonderful, wonderful find. Hope someone gets it at that great price. What a smoking' deal !

Post# 959364 , Reply# 39   9/27/2017 at 01:24 (363 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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If I had the room I'd go after it......but I just can't.

Post# 959397 , Reply# 40   9/27/2017 at 08:56 (363 days old) by pumpkina (California)        

Thanks, askolover.

Which type of transmission did the Maytag Performa use? What other parts were inferior?


Post# 959405 , Reply# 41   9/27/2017 at 10:25 (363 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Clearer morning eye

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You can see the plastic pulled back and bunched up along the sides and back of the machine; someone had the wherewithal to keep it pristine.
Be great to get the backstory on this beauty, and hope to the Holy Jesus someone gets it.

Post# 959408 , Reply# 42   9/27/2017 at 10:35 (363 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Any Maytag washer made in Newton, Iowa is going to be a good machine. I have had both the long stroke agitation and short stroke agitation machines and both worked quite well. The longer stroke promoted less linting and probably did a better job at cleaning, but the short stroke one did quite well too. I was only after they started making the Magic Chef/Norge transmission and washer tubs that Maytag took such a downward plunge. The Maytags with porcelain tubs were the real deal and not just re badged Magic Chef/Norge washers. Those were very problematic and many did not last long under heavy use. Norge washers were always problematic at best. They washed, rinsed and spun out clothes very well, but reliability was an issue for them. That brand new old Maytag looks to be one of the timer only controlled washers that filled for a set time instead of a metered fill. Interesting that one of these would have made it so long without being used. It would certainly be a machine worth having!

Post# 959409 , Reply# 43   9/27/2017 at 10:36 (363 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
If at first you don't suceed... try, try again.

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That "NOS" Maytag has been listed before, and duly noted in group.

Post# 959412 , Reply# 44   9/27/2017 at 10:55 (363 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

I have to admit, that washer is even tempting to me! It will probably outlast all and any new machine today! The tub might be smaller, but those machines were workhorses! It is the same machine my grade school had in the cafeteria in the 60's that was used several times daily.

Post# 959415 , Reply# 45   9/27/2017 at 11:07 (363 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Lauderess to the rescue!

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Right on the ball as ever, Dear, and thank you so much. Oh do I have a tale to tell you. Biker friends are going to Lake Luzerne tomorrow for four days and I've been on the fence about going. Well, that was the case UNTIL I SAW THE MAP. And guess what's right there? None other than Queensbury New York home of the infamous Appliances Unlimited where I got that beautiful doeskin Whirlpool Mark 12 from.

So this was the dealbreaker /clincher and now I'm going. Hoping to bring back lots of pictures for you and all of us, I called the owner to let them know I was coming down to survey the vintage treasure. He said everything is gone except a few Maytags and that all the Frigidaires were bought by somebody from Canada. Do you have any info on that or is there a tread about it? The store's website is totally out of date with the Mark XII still for sale even though I've been using it for 6 or 7 years now. It's fun to see all those gems albeit long gone. Will stop in nonetheless to see what parts he may still have. Maybe I'll get lucky and find a Frigidaire agitator column with pretty new rings.

REG: Good luck to you, Man. Go for the Maytag Mark Posted. You'll be the envy of the club, and the machine will be around after I'm long gone ;'D

Post# 959416 , Reply# 46   9/27/2017 at 11:11 (363 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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if this is a machine on your wish list, and found NIB, what more could you ask?....

how hard would it be to do a multi day trip/adventure into acquiring this gem of a machine.....

many times over the years we have seen members travel farther, for less....just to capture their dream machine....

I know a few members who travelled and slept along side the road in the excursions.....

and some stopped to visit other members along the way.......

if you want it bad enough, anything is will find a way....

Post# 959419 , Reply# 47   9/27/2017 at 11:58 (363 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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It just never ends.

Post# 959430 , Reply# 48   9/27/2017 at 12:50 (363 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

What is SMH?

Post# 959443 , Reply# 49   9/27/2017 at 14:25 (363 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

called about the maytag in tri-cities. Going to pick it up in the morning.......a Maytag repairman.....

Post# 959451 , Reply# 50   9/27/2017 at 14:59 (363 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Good for you!!!  Keep us posted.  Glad he dropped his price down from the previous $600 listing.  Must be meant for you to have it Reg.  I saw it 11 hours after it was re-listed.

Post# 959456 , Reply# 51   9/27/2017 at 15:33 (362 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

thanks for the info. I show some pics after I get it to the shaack......I'm getting all these vintage machines and I can't even move in

Post# 959467 , Reply# 52   9/27/2017 at 16:24 (362 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Post# 959472 , Reply# 53   9/27/2017 at 16:36 (362 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

not sure what that means.......guess it's an inside joke maybe

Post# 959488 , Reply# 54   9/27/2017 at 18:30 (362 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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That's a good deal, Reg. The matching dryers can still be found, I came across one in the last year.

Post# 959495 , Reply# 55   9/27/2017 at 19:10 (362 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Shaking.My.Head....not what I was thinking....

but those words can't be posted here.....

I guess you could call it a heckle....

my thought was a command!

Post# 959496 , Reply# 56   9/27/2017 at 19:12 (362 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)        
I own amachine from the 90's

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It has the faster short stroke agitation, and works flawlessly.It washes extremely well, with a 2 minute spray rinse after wash, and a 2 minute deep rinse. Its easy on the clothes, and has a lint filter in the agitator, that works very well. I think the performance of all machines, is mainly dictated by your washing habits. You can get poor washing results out of any washer. Overloading, poor sorting, and wrong chemicals mixtures can effect results greatly. Many people, of this club, have strong opinions from time to time, about brands, models, quality or performance of certain brands. I myself know that they can be very knowledgeable, and often opinionated as well. Read the reviews, and weigh all the info, and come to your own decision. Hope this helps. Help can be reached at any time, by a quick post. Hope this helps.
Hugs, David

Post# 959501 , Reply# 57   9/27/2017 at 20:21 (362 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

well I do know that a lot or most machines of today are crap. I just want the things that are repairable and sturdy. I like the machines and appliances that are mechanical in nature without the technology of today. Even my stereo is a 70's Sansui that has had the caps and transistors replaced to the point of almost new. Life is pretty simple if you keep it simple.

Post# 959503 , Reply# 58   9/27/2017 at 20:57 (362 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

You should be able to find a matching dryer relatively easily in comparison to finding a washer like this. It could well be the last washer you have to buy.

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Post# 959579 , Reply# 59   9/28/2017 at 10:30 (362 days old) by reg (tennessee)        
got it

Just update for you guys and gals, up at 6am drove 40 miles to get this gem. Set in parking lot for a bit waiting for 8 am to call Joe. Super nice guy. Was an appliance dealer in Texas for 35 yrs. A Maytag dealer. That's how he acquired the Washer, they gave it to him to show. It has never had water in it......
Thanks for the heads up askolover I really appreciate it.....
I'll get you guys some pics in couple days too......

Post# 959583 , Reply# 60   9/28/2017 at 10:42 (362 days old) by pumpkina (California)        


I can't wait to see photos

Post# 959603 , Reply# 61   9/28/2017 at 13:26 (362 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

here's a few pictures I took. I got a bonus of a new/old box of Tide with manuals that were closed up in the back of the machine.......I'm happy as a new puppy whos owners just came hom walking around peeeeing everywhere.

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Post# 959604 , Reply# 62   9/28/2017 at 13:39 (362 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

You have an amazing machine that should last you a long long long long time. I hope you can find the matching dryer or at least one that is close to matching it. I know there are still some around. This one speed washer will work quite well for most everything you have to wash. If you are like myself, you don't have anything that requires extremely delicate treatment. You have one of the best washing machines EVER made! Congratulations!!!!!

Post# 959625 , Reply# 63   9/28/2017 at 14:46 (362 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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I can't say that I have EVER seen a speckled tub Maytag. It's a GEM!


Post# 959630 , Reply# 64   9/28/2017 at 15:00 (362 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

I would really like to get the electric and water turned on so I could throw a few things in just to watch it work. Joe really hated to part with it but his wife wanted to get the room started........He had a mint condition frig with the cooling on top too. Told him if he ever wanted to get rid of that to call I would come get that too......

Post# 959729 , Reply# 65   9/28/2017 at 19:36 (361 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

Many of the older BOL Maytag washers like this one had black tubs with white speckles. I think back then it was either white tub or this one.

Post# 959738 , Reply# 66   9/28/2017 at 20:46 (361 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

Here's my question about this old machine. It has been sitting for awhile unused. What will I need to do to insure it to work properly and not break something just plugging it up and turning it on.Things get quirky when not used for periods of time.

Post# 959740 , Reply# 67   9/28/2017 at 21:00 (361 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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for starters, I would boil a few large pans of water and pour into the machine and let set for a while.....check for any leaks....

when I got my 806, it was sitting unused for the greater part of 12 years, upon first fill, water dribbled from the center post......

JohnL offered the boiling water softened everything up and re-sealed, been working fine ever since....

check clamps for any rusting, replace if needed......

motor glides may not need replaced, but the lube may be dried out....

always curious of this machine, having time fill, yet is not a solid tub, how do you match the fill to the time without overflowing the machine?

Post# 959748 , Reply# 68   9/28/2017 at 21:51 (361 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

don't know about the fill thing, but I will try to find out. I'm thinking it has a mechanical float of sorts along lines of toilet bowl but it trips a relay to shut off water or pump........I will lookIt can all be worked on from the back. A heavy machine too......

Post# 959923 , Reply# 69   9/30/2017 at 13:11 (360 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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it's all METAL instead of plastic!!

Post# 959930 , Reply# 70   9/30/2017 at 14:47 (360 days old) by reg (tennessee)        

yep it's all metal for sure. I hopefully will find a dryer for this gem before too long. Are there tech manuals for this somewhere........

Post# 959963 , Reply# 71   9/30/2017 at 19:54 (359 days old) by brucelucenta ()        

No, this is a timed fill and doesn't have any kind of float or metered fill. On the dial it shows F for full, 3/4 and 1/2 fills. The timer does it all.

Post# 959966 , Reply# 72   9/30/2017 at 20:07 (359 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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let's hope you have normal water pressure.

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