Thread Number: 73020
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Miele W754 /W755 /W756 /W760 |
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Post# 964537 , Reply# 1   10/27/2017 at 13:38 (2,344 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)   |   | |
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I'm not sure exactly which model it is, but I'm getting a 10-year-old Miele home on Monday, I'll report back on water levels. It's probably possible with any of these to adjust the pressure switch with a screwdriver to increase water levels. |
Post# 964538 , Reply# 2   10/27/2017 at 13:57 (2,344 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 964569 , Reply# 3   10/27/2017 at 17:33 (2,344 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Information is out there regarding older Miele washing machines:
www.manualslib.com/manual... Or, www.manualslib.com/manual/353746... |
Post# 964623 , Reply# 6   10/28/2017 at 04:16 (2,344 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Just curious, why are you so particular about the water level in the main wash? IIRC you can fill these on the wool cycle so you get a higher water level and then do a main wash on cottons. It costs a lot of energy to heat that amount of water though. Besides that, too much water in the main wash, has a negative effect on cleaning. The laundry rolls over more than that it tumbles.
That said, these washers use a lot more water than newer frontloaders, even on the lower water level in the cotton cycle. BTW, there is a German washer forum: mielelover1.iphpbb3.com/forum/in... It's a site in German. I see you live in Augsburg, but are you German? |
Post# 964631 , Reply# 8   10/28/2017 at 06:51 (2,344 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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These machines only have three fill levels; low (Normal Cottons/Permanent Press) medium (Delicates) and High (Woolens).
Wash cycles are at the given levels for particular cycle. Lowest for Cottons/Normal and highest for Woolens. Rinses all are high fill level unless "1/2" button is selected. Manual tells that for starching the "1/2" button gives about five US gallons. But the Extra-Prewash (really a soak cycle with high water level) uses (according to tables) seven gallons. Furthermore difference between using "Short" wash cycle versus "Normal" for cottons or Permanent Press (omitting Prewash) is about three gallons of water. If we use the assumption all rinses use same high water level as Extra-Prewash (7 US gallons), and there are four deep rinses that fill after tub is drained (the first rinse in Normal/Cottons is a cool down that adds cold water to tub after main wash, and fills to "medium/Delicates level") 4x7 ='s 28. That leaves the difference of four US gallons to make the 32 used in Normal/Cottons. Thus between four to five gallons seems about right for the wash cycle in that cycle. Again depressing the "1/2 button" for rinses takes water level for those cycles down to five US gallons. Manual notes water consumption numbers can vary and there is good reason for this. First and foremost these machines do not extract after main wash, first or second rinse. There is a short 30 second spin between Second and Third rinse, and finally a full spin between Third and Fourth. This lack of extraction between rinses means laundry carries over amounts of water from previous cycle. Since textiles are already saturated they aren't going to absorb much more water. This is the same method used in many laundromat washing machines which cuts down on their water use as well. Because of this carry over what a rinse cycle *could* fill to versus what it will is going to vary by many factors. When these Miele washers finally do spin (short and then long as noted above), if there is too much water and or froth extracted at once machine will slow or stop spinning; but timer is not held. If that portion of spin cycle times out and there is still amounts of water/froth left in tub or wash, tant pis; the machine will begin to fill for next rinse with that "extra" water still in tub. So obviously that is going to influence how much water is taken on. Depending upon where the timer is, the machine will fill to satisfy certain set water pressure levels. If said levels drop (as in textiles absorbing water) machine will stop and fill with more water until preset level is reached again. So if clothing is still "wet" it won't absorb as much water contrasted with either start dry or extracted. Modern Miele washing machines use about 13.5 gallons for an entire cycle IIRC. This can be done because they extract after main wash and after each rinse. So they need fewer rinse cycles. If you don't wish to run the sums the other painfully obvious answer to your query involves a bucket and measuring device. Simply allow washer to fill at whatever cycle you want measured, then set the machine to drain while the hose is in a bucket. Pour collected water into measuring device (or use scale) and that will supply answer. |
Post# 964642 , Reply# 9   10/28/2017 at 07:58 (2,344 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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The W700 series have washtime guarantee, I think it was "Waschzeitgarantie". A cottons cycle IIRC was in total always something like two hours. Don't know how long the main wash was. It will definitely use more water than a modern Miele, even in the main wash. But with those old fashioned motors there is no soft start for the tumble sequence.
If your laundry comes damaged out of a new Miele, there could be something wrong with the drum. Have you tried sweeping around inside the drum with a nylon stocking to see if there are any sharp edges? If your wife designs clothes and uses delicate fabrics, I would wash those clothes defintetely not in the cottons cycle. That cycle is only meant for more sturdy stuff like towels etc. A permanent press cycle or depending on the fabric a delicate cycle or wool cycle would be more appropriate for such clothes. Also you can tweek the settings with extra water (a programmable function) and a short option. The newer Mieles are very versatile machines, especially the more expensive models. BTW, what model do you have? Sorry to hear that you haven't found anywhere else any help. The German forum used to be very active until the older messages were deleted. I hope we can help you here a bit further, both with older and newer machines. |
Post# 964645 , Reply# 10   10/28/2017 at 08:24 (2,344 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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BTW, if you're interested in a second machine, this might be interesting.
www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de... You have a timer, so you can change the cycle according to your wishes. Water levels are very decent, cycles rather short, several options in length of the main cycle (ignore the suggestions on the chart on the machine, when I use mine 2 is long wash, 3 is short wash). Most of them don't spin between rinses, but if you select the permanent press cycle, you can easily do a spin after three rinses and then do some extra rinses. They are a bit quirky though, they don't have a suspension, but have springs. They perform a little dance when spinning. |
Post# 964673 , Reply# 12   10/28/2017 at 12:06 (2,343 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Yes, the text under the link related to that specific AEG toploader. If you choose to tradee your new Miele for an older one, I wouldn't advise this for the only machine you use. It has it quirks and the capacity is on the small side. Nevertheless it's great as a second machine.
BTW, what kind of fabric gets damaged the most by your machine? Have you contacted Miele about your problem? It is indeed a gamble if an older machine will improve the washing results. Perhaps you can find old testing magazines? More or less by coincidence I came across the test of your machine. www.test.de/Waschmaschine... Another question, have you tried using different detergents? What detergent are you using? Dutch consumers seem to be very content with their new Mieles. However I came across one review that said it was sometimes a bit abrasive in regard to tricot. Could your problems be related to the honey comb drum? And one more question, have you considered finding another PW5065? You are used to that machine after all. |
Post# 964707 , Reply# 13   10/28/2017 at 15:15 (2,343 days old) by Losangeles (Muscle Shoals, AL 35661)   |   | |
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Post# 964711 , Reply# 14   10/28/2017 at 15:19 (2,343 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 966333 , Reply# 17   11/6/2017 at 02:54 (2,335 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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So you might just wish to swap out the old nasty door boot for new. Did it when my used Miele arrived and am that glad. One on machine not only was coated "inside" with muck and mould, but had a hole as well.
Changing the boot isn't that difficult so can be a DIY job. That or you'll have to call out Miele tech. If the drain hose is old it may be also caked inside with muck. Again an easy enough job to swap out for new, and drain hoses don't cost dear. Finally using the instructions in manual it is a good idea to drain the washer, remove the drain filter, and then give everything a good cleaning. Put everything back together and test to see if done properly (machine does not leak from pump area when filling with water), before closing everything up. Those are the three things you can do that will clear away much residue, scale deposits and general muck. Cannot see how the "springs" would be harmed by cleaning the tubs of machine as they are no where near. The springs are on the outside of washer supporting the tub. Who told you this? Take a flashlight and shine it into the tub towards bottom. You may have to stick your head in a bit but at proper angle you can see "between" the tubs, this includes the heating elements what are at bottom slightly to right. Ideally this all should be fairly clean (mine is); but if you see scale deposits especially covering the heating elements things *might* need attending to sooner or later. Main issue is the heating elements if badly coated with scale cannot function properly and will die sooner than they ought. This is not fatal as they can be replaced. Before doing any more clean out washes; just do a few Cottons/Normal wash cycles using a good powder detergent with bleach (Persil) at 90C or 100C. Don't skimp on detergent use and leave door open afterwards. If you are going to use high temperatures might as well get some clean laundry for your money. A good detergent powder like Persil contains enough of the good things to break down some scale and muck. The oxygen bleach will help with sanitizing and any mould. More tips: When you take out the pump filter examine it well. If the thing is coated in muck/mold clean that stuff off, the soak for a bit in white vinegar. This will remove any scale and kill mold. Rinse well then replace. |
Post# 966755 , Reply# 20   11/8/2017 at 04:23 (2,333 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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A Miele dealer here advises to do a boil wash with two dishwasher tablets now and then. It might be a bit stronger than just citric acid.
Somehow it should stop releasing those solids. I think the previous owner didn't use enough detergent. BTW, have you checked the hose from the detergent dispenser and the dispenser housing to the drum to see if there is any mold in there? Take the dispenser out and look inside. For the hose, use a bottle brush or so and some water. If there is mold in there, you could try cleaning it with toilet cleaner. |