Thread Number: 73085
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The New SQ TL Washers |
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Post# 965234   10/31/2017 at 23:05 (2,340 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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We saw and dissembled the new SQs in training this morning. First Impressions
They are very well built and I expect them to be even more durable than current SQ TL machines, they are getting closer to the SQ FL machines in longevity.
The transmission is gone, the agitator is bolted to the SS wash basket and moves with the wash basket, on a heavy wash it turns 2 1/2 turns in each direction, it can turn less for a gentile wash motion.
It finally has a proper neutral drain with a separate electric drain pump.
It now has even less plastic in it than the current washer, the main drive pulley is a heavy duty cast aluminum construction.
The drive shaft is over 1 1/2" in diameter.
All controls are electronic, but the two lower priced models have knob type controls.
Now the bad part, I don't think a one piece tub and agitator will wash well, FD tried this a TL machine a few years ago and abandoned it after less than two years.
All SQ TL production will switch over to these new machines around the first of the year. If anyone wants a new traditional TL agitator washer but it fast.
John L.
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Post# 965238 , Reply# 1   10/31/2017 at 23:51 (2,340 days old) by Mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)   |   | |
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Hi John,
Well, that's certainly a BIG change. Like you, I'm wondering just how effective will the wash action be? I was just thinking: isn't it going to be very 'splashy' with a full tub of water going backwards and forwards? You'll certainly need to show how it washes when you get your hands on one. Cheers Leon |
Post# 965244 , Reply# 2   11/1/2017 at 01:20 (2,340 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)   |   | |
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definitely will be interesting to see this new concept that SQ is coming out with for their future TL machines. We all will be anxiously waiting to see what your thoughts are once you've gone thru the training you mentioned. |
Post# 965286 , Reply# 3   11/1/2017 at 04:33 (2,339 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Hopefully the agitator/tub movement will be more effective than the impeller/tub action of Frigidaire's Immersion Care. At any rate, the 2018 models drop the curtain on the last of the truly 'vintage-style' top-loaders. End of an era. There's no question; my next washer will be a SQ front-loader.
Thanks for the inside information and photos, John! This post was last edited 11/01/2017 at 07:10 |
Post# 965296 , Reply# 5   11/1/2017 at 05:50 (2,339 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 965298 , Reply# 6   11/1/2017 at 06:08 (2,339 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)   |   | |
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Post# 965301 , Reply# 7   11/1/2017 at 06:26 (2,339 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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For me-this new SQ is a no-go-will just shop for washers at the swap shop as I have done for the past several years.You can get an agitator style machine that way. |
Post# 965309 , Reply# 8   11/1/2017 at 07:13 (2,339 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 965316 , Reply# 9   11/1/2017 at 07:43 (2,339 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 965317 , Reply# 10   11/1/2017 at 07:48 (2,339 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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"I cannot understand why companies refuse to listen to consumers, the average American turned to SQ for a traditional agitator washer. Not an impeller washer or an agi-tub washer, but an agitator that moves clothes "
Get a grip people. It's the government EPA Energy Star guidelines that drive this. Consumer preference is irrelevant. Manufacturers receive financial incentives for producing products that meet these guidelines.
Now if SQ would just offer a front load model with a heater and boost water temperatures. But based on discussions, I'd never want one of their dryers. I'll stick with Whirlpool design dryers. This post was last edited 11/01/2017 at 08:42 |
Post# 965320 , Reply# 11   11/1/2017 at 08:15 (2,339 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 965323 , Reply# 13   11/1/2017 at 08:31 (2,339 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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I think its a combination of gov't mandates AND customer preference. From what I can tell WP has had the hardest time adjusting to the new mandates, considering how many variants of machines they have had in the last 3 years or so. They keep changing! GE has stayed pretty stable and I feel like they had customer's preference in mind a lot earlier than WP. Just look at their Deep Fill feature. Instead of saying "Hey you can use auto load sensing or FILL the tub entirely", they say "Hey we have auto load sensing but if it's not enough you can add as little or as much water as you want". I like that control better. Hell they still have a few models that you can manually pick the water level. In particular their lower end model (including Hotpoint). I did notice that in their new manuals for these machines though, they added a Precise Fill option to the load size indicator...that's probably to comply with the 2018 standards.
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Post# 965332 , Reply# 14   11/1/2017 at 09:02 (2,339 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 965340 , Reply# 15   11/1/2017 at 10:06 (2,339 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)   |   | |
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Looks a bit like a mode shifter from a GE hydrowave washer. |
Post# 965360 , Reply# 19   11/1/2017 at 11:00 (2,339 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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LOL....OMG people.
It's not even for sale yet. You're crucifying your sacred brand because of a modern mechanism change. And you haven't even tried them yet, because they don't wash clothes the same way they were done 100 years ago? It's just like all the futile FL machine arguments on here. They use less water, but all us modern FL users here keep saying they're working quite well and all our clothes are clean. Yet some people dictate that our experiences must be wrong because they "feel so." (eyeroll) What if these new machines perform dang good and wash like the dickens, but just don't do it the way YOU want it too? Does that make them bad? Mechanically, I agree with John. Looks like these things are TOUGHER than the current chassis. That drive shaft is HUUUUGE. It's bigger and thicker than some cars! And there's no mode shifter on here that I see. Hence why the agi. and tub move together, all the time. Since it's the mode shifters that always seem to break, looks like SQ eliminated that trouble spot. Now it's no secret my disdain for the cult following of SQ and their meager performance [ INNNN MYYYY OPINIONNNNN ] But if they can pull this off in this MORE tank-like platform, more power to them! I'm still glad there's another US laundry maker around. |
Post# 965382 , Reply# 20   11/1/2017 at 12:44 (2,339 days old) by duttyb11 (Mountain City)   |   | |
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so i dont understand will the new machines tub move in the opposite direction as the agitator...will the agitator remain stationary....will this machine produce less sound and sound more like a front loader? will spin speed stay the same? |
Post# 965386 , Reply# 22   11/1/2017 at 13:15 (2,339 days old) by brucelucenta ()   |   | |
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The one thing I would really like to see is a pic of the inside of the new machine, agitator and tub. |
Post# 965428 , Reply# 26   11/1/2017 at 18:02 (2,339 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 965436 , Reply# 27   11/1/2017 at 19:00 (2,339 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Why did they get rid of the transmission, and why is the agitator bolted to the tub? Speed Queen should ignore the department of energy requirements, and they should also ignore the EPA regulations. I've lost faith in Speed Queen. I can go on and on, and on about why they should have kept the transmission.
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Post# 965438 , Reply# 28   11/1/2017 at 19:08 (2,339 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Tell why they should have kept the transmission and how they should ignore legislation? |
Post# 965439 , Reply# 29   11/1/2017 at 19:12 (2,339 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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I makes me angry they got rid of the transmission, and how the motor is going to reverse back and forth and going to sound obnoxious while in action! The EPA/Department of energy needs to mind their own damn business, and let us have washing machines that use water, and have a transmission that allows the washer to do its job. The only place these new Speed Queen washers deserve to go is the scrap pile...
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Post# 965440 , Reply# 30   11/1/2017 at 19:15 (2,339 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)   |   | |
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Post# 965442 , Reply# 31   11/1/2017 at 19:20 (2,339 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Probably gonna be way lower anyways. Less moving parts, less active time for the motor over all. Interesting how you can hate a product that has not even yet made it to the production line... |
Post# 965450 , Reply# 32   11/1/2017 at 19:41 (2,339 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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The job of the federal government is to protect its people. You want more government and this is what you get. |
Post# 965453 , Reply# 33   11/1/2017 at 19:48 (2,339 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 965458 , Reply# 35   11/1/2017 at 20:01 (2,339 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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50 years ago and up we had more freedom, and we could create whatever we wanted to, but sadly those days are over. Again, the EPA/ Department of energy and the government needs to mind their own damn business. Speed Queen was a good company until they made their new POS machines. I don't even care for Speed Queen anymore...
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Post# 965462 , Reply# 36   11/1/2017 at 20:23 (2,339 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)   |   | |
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And I thought I was taking the changes to the SQ TL lineup badly... 🙄 |
Post# 965474 , Reply# 37   11/1/2017 at 21:05 (2,339 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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I do not blame Speed Queen. I blame the government for continually forcing people how to eat, think, live, feel, act, behave... ect, ect, ect, ect, ect. Society would progress more in 1 year then it has in the last 100 if free will wasn't a crime. I will leave it at that as its not the forum and I could rant to the point the server crashes. Yes I feel your pain brother, but their hands are tied.
But going back: with low water there is only so much you can do. Building a transmission with multiple revolutions and complex acceleration/deceleration (assuming that is being done here) is far to complex and there is more that can go wrong. Control boards are already used and perfected in FL washers, so I would imagine adapting them to this is a no brainier. Eliminating extra parts lowers costs and increases longevity. I am on John's side regarding the agi tub, but in defense of Speed Queen this allows them to ditch the mode shifter which is nothing more than a part begging to fail. Can you imagine a mod sifter in a laundry mat with over loaded washers lasting as long? Not to mention a mode shifter can fail such that the agitator spins and not the tub. But none the less I mourn the loss of a once great era. I feel your pain guys. But looking at the positive aspect we have a company that is still making long life washers. And with this design longevity potentially goes up. Yes the control board or motor might fail in X years, but can you compare that to the current transmission failing in X years? A failed control board might cost $$$$, but anyone can replace one. A transmission on the other hand requires the whole machine to be scrapped. |
Post# 965476 , Reply# 39   11/1/2017 at 21:08 (2,339 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 965478 , Reply# 40   11/1/2017 at 21:20 (2,339 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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If the EPA/Department of energy were to be shut down, I could care less. We would be better off without the EPA/Department of energy regulations anyway. I said this already, but Speed Queen should have ignored the mandates by the EPA/Department of energy, and they should have continued to built traditional top load washing machines.
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Post# 965514 , Reply# 47   11/1/2017 at 23:12 (2,339 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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WOW.
WOW. Get a grip people. Oh. And do none of you remember life before the EPA in the 70s, started by Nixon. Rivers burned. The air was arrestingly putrid on certain days in the mid 80s on the south side of Chicago. I was SIX, and I remember the air hurting. We had a few water boil orders when I was a kid. Near CHICAGO. If all of you want the EPA abolished, ok, you got your pal Pruitt. And if you think we aren't as competitive as China? Well you're right. We get paid more. We can breathe our own air. Drink our own water (most of us at least). Actually see our skylines again. We're not ravaged with weird cancers and birth defects. I'll take the US over China, our environment and our efficient machines. I'm a bit blindsided by all the meltdowns on here. The abrupt lack of faith in the engineering prowess of your favorite company in the face of a little engineering challenge. |
Post# 965515 , Reply# 48   11/1/2017 at 23:14 (2,339 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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In the 60s and 70s..WE MADE EVERYTHING, and MADE IT WELL, good quality textiles, etc..ITS ALL GONE! |
Post# 965524 , Reply# 51   11/2/2017 at 00:15 (2,339 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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How are the flimsy appliances of today better than the appliances of the 70's and 80's?
Really? Appliances back then were built better, and were built to stand the test of time! That is one of the dumbest things I ever heard! Everything from houses, to cars, and appliances were built to last! The appliances that are around currently will not be around in 20 years, and will most likely be in the scrap yard. A lot of the cars that are made currently will be in the junkyard in 20 years. I can go on and on, but anything that is vintage is WAY better than most of the junk that is made today! |
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Post# 965542 , Reply# 54   11/2/2017 at 04:58 (2,338 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Solid tub Speed Queens with solenoids and 20 pound Norges...Need I say more! |
Post# 965549 , Reply# 55   11/2/2017 at 07:09 (2,338 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Sean--The only reason a few appliances and cars from the '70s and early '80s are still around is because of enthusiasts and collectors. Their natural lifespans were over many years ago. The vast majority of durable goods from those days have been in landfills a long, long time. The notion that all appliances lasted 20+ years back in the day is false.
On the EPA: Before you get too hysterical about energy mandates for washing machines and the trampling of your American freedom, watch some videos about the air and water quality problems in places like China and India. Am I happy about the lukewarm, dumbed-down water temps in many new washers? No. But there's no reason for a wholesale condemnation of the EPA. The quality of life and health we enjoy in far more important areas trumps the irritation about cool water and long cycle times in washers and dishwashers. |
Post# 965551 , Reply# 56   11/2/2017 at 07:31 (2,338 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Although I don't have a dog in this race I will be curious to see how this pans out. I will only have a front-loader, will probably always have a European model, and it will more than likely be another Miele since Asko's are quite questionable in quality now. I don't know if a SQ would fit in my closet like smaller European machines do. |
Post# 965554 , Reply# 57   11/2/2017 at 07:47 (2,338 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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A few more points about these interesting new washers.
There was a picture of the tub and agitator posed a few weeks ago in another thread, I don't have a picture.
Back to the wash action, the SS wash basket is not ribbed.
The top spin speed is now 820 RPM
Only the Normal cycle has dubbed down wash water temperatures, other cycles still fill with all hot or warm water as selected, the normal cycle does an extended spray rinse instead of a deep rinse, the other cycles do a deep rinse.
You can chose from 3 water levels or use an auto setting where the machine determines needed water level bu motor loading.
The new cycle time has been extended to about 45 minutes in an attempt to get things clean with less agitation. My concern is if it had been this easy to build a TL washer without a transmission it would have been done 60 years ago. We will have to see how well it works, we have already ordered one but may not see it till around February. I will report on it soon after we get it.
This forum is not the place for politics, but that said I AM AN ENVIRONMENTAL VOTER AS ARE THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, THE GOVERNMENT HAS THE RIGHT TO REGULATE ENERGY USAGE AND I HAVE VOTED TO GIVE THEM THIS POWER.
SO GET USED TO IT, EVEN trump can't change this.
John L.
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Post# 965577 , Reply# 61   11/2/2017 at 11:35 (2,338 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 965582 , Reply# 62   11/2/2017 at 12:06 (2,338 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 965591 , Reply# 63   11/2/2017 at 12:31 (2,338 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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I saved a screen shot of the photo Malcolm (mrb627) posted of the new SQ agitator/tub. I'll put it here for easy reference since several have asked about it.
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Post# 965609 , Reply# 67   11/2/2017 at 13:20 (2,338 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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Thanks Frigilux, that agitator reminds me of the early Blackstone a little bit. That machine had good wash action from the videos I saw of it. |
Post# 965623 , Reply# 71   11/2/2017 at 14:25 (2,338 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 965630 , Reply# 73   11/2/2017 at 15:19 (2,338 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Although I run them occasionally, it makes me cringe at how much water my agitator toploaders (currently the F&P and a WP DD) pull for a fill, particularly a warm or hot fill which involves electric power to heat the water (and pump it from the ground), compared to my lovely HE Calypso or quirky Neptune TL. I have only once in 8+ years run a full-fill HOT load in one of them (the WP DD) and am unlikely to do that again any time soon. |
Post# 965638 , Reply# 76   11/2/2017 at 16:27 (2,338 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 965643 , Reply# 77   11/2/2017 at 16:51 (2,338 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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Things are a bit different today then 60 years ago from a drivetrain perspective. Today we can replace the transmission with electronics and a poly-phase motor. Years ago we just didn't have the ability to control a motor like we do today. Full speed and direction control with decent torque maintenance is easy today.
Our latest machining center has a direct drive spindle, no belt, no back gear, just a 30hp motor directly turning the tool with a big hefty inverter running the show. From a couple hundred RPM to 8,000 in either direction and even with rigid tapping forward and reverse. Things are SO much better once electronics get involved. Our big CNC lathe is belt driven, but again there are no gears or transmission, just a VFD inverter and a 40Hp motor, and boy does it work better then any other machine we have had. Technology has improved most everything in our lives in many ways so I will be curious to see how this machine works. It may well provide a decent design for those that steadfastly cling to a vertical axis machine. All the discussion of which machine or agitator gives the best action, but nothing turns over a full load better then a front loader, it does so once with every rotation ;) |
Post# 965647 , Reply# 78   11/2/2017 at 17:28 (2,338 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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Old Norge washers didn't turn loads over or turned them slowly, but they got the best cleaning scores in the 50s by CR. There is hope here folks! |
Post# 965684 , Reply# 81   11/2/2017 at 22:14 (2,338 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)   |   | |
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So in other words your machine is Korean? |
Post# 965696 , Reply# 82   11/2/2017 at 23:12 (2,338 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Correct there is no water shortage,
BUT there is a shortage of clean water where we need it on earth,
It takes a huge amount of energy to clean water purify it and then clean it again.
I voted along with the majority of Americans to allow the EPA to regulate energy matters, sorry you are a sore loser, but according to goverment 101 they do have the right to do what they are doing, I and millions of other Americans gave them the right to do so.
To reply #80, there have only been 3 TL washers ever built that I can think of that had a one piece agitator and wash tub, this new SQ will be the fourth, the first three did not wash large heavily soiled loads uniformly, this new SQ TL machine will be the forth AW to try this.
We will get one and do a comparison cleaning test early in 2018, I hope I am wrong but I will bet that this new machine will not wash a large dirty load as uniformly as the current TL washer.
PS, [ Hi Bruce ] #80, this new washer is not ANYTHING like a GE hydro-wave, on the GE HW the agitator and tub move independently.
As I said before I am sure that GE, WP, LG, Samsung all tried a one piece agitator tub machine and it clearly did not work or they would have used this system and saved a lot of money and built what SQ is now trying to build [ all these washers use inverter type motors and can vary the wash motion ] So if this really could work every one else would abandon the troublesome machines they are building now and go with this simple design that SQ is starting to build.
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Post# 965697 , Reply# 83   11/2/2017 at 23:13 (2,338 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 965709 , Reply# 86   11/3/2017 at 01:25 (2,338 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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John I also hope you voted in and are forging an effort in making US education number one. If we had the best education system in the world that actually focused on STEM and our top minds maybe we could actually come up with a system where mass water purification is economical.
www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201... www.davidsongifted.org/About-Us/G... If we applied the same thinking to the food industry only worrying about minimizing consumption and not advancing production to fix a lack there of, most of us would have starved to death by now. EPA regulations are only masking the symptoms, not treating the actual problem. Second filling up land fills actually takes more energy in the long run, which leads me to think energy and sustainability is not the real concern either. So I fail to see how people seeing (and having concerns about) the bigger picture makes them a sore loser. With that said I am glad that at least Speed Queen is concerned about longevity. |
Post# 965717 , Reply# 87   11/3/2017 at 03:18 (2,338 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Front load washing machines are great, but I don't know how true this is, but bearings tend to wear out faster in front loading washing machines. It takes years, if not decades for bearings to wear out in a traditional top loading washer.
Well, my Asko is 20 years old (I bought it new in 1997) and is still using the original bearings. It has not had gentle use either! It has sounded like a jet engine since the day it was built...but not from the bearings...the motor actually sounds like that. This is the 3rd motor the machine has had and they all have sounded like that. |
Post# 965723 , Reply# 88   11/3/2017 at 05:43 (2,337 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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On a top loader, the weight of the tub and clothes come down on a bearing in a vertical manner and the bearing just prevents side to side motion. It would make sense that on a front loader, the loads on a bearing would be much greater as they are sideways loads. Gravity is not on the front loaders side here, but the Asko probably has larger bearings than most. Actually, I like the jet sound the Neptune made but your laundry room should not sound like an airport.
I have heard it written here that it is not good if the tub indexes, why is that? Does it "cancel" the agitation? In the SQ, wouldn't it be harder on the motor to move both the tub and agitator than just the agitator? When consumers pay for water, you are actually paying for energy. Alcosan treats all the sewage in our area. During a recent tour of the place, the speaker stated that the biggest expense is not payroll but electricity to run the pumps and compressors. Purifying water also requires a lot of equipment that in many areas will need to be replace. Pittsburgh Water and Sewer Authority will be raising bills because parts of the system are over 100 years old and they use a lot of energy too. So using less water will benefit consumers. Still, a full washing machine using a lot of water is not damaging the environment much. For example, I learned from horticulture at the zoo that a properly established lawn should not require fertilizer but most people in the neighborhood spend hundreds of dollars on chem lawn which just runs off into the river, polluting it. Most couples will buy laundry appliances when they have a baby. As you know, having kids damages the environment more than a corvette racing playboy, but when our parents washed diapers in water guzzling machines, at least they didn't leave those nasty Pampers in parking lots. Pampers are the worst thing that ever happened with solid waste. |
Post# 965736 , Reply# 89   11/3/2017 at 07:54 (2,337 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The only thing that really affects bearing life is the water seal design, type, quality etc used on a particular machine.
FL washers are at no disadvantage by having a horizontal tub, there are countless TL washers that have had frequent bearing failures both in newer machines and in washers going back into the 50s, 60s 70s etc, just look at history, and the cause of failure is ALWAYS water getting past the water seal.
If you really look at any washer [ from wringers to automatics ] ever built the biggest problems are when water gets into ares where it should not be.
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Post# 965806 , Reply# 91   11/3/2017 at 13:46 (2,337 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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Combo52 this maybe a silly question but will the control panel still have the "commercial Heavy Duty" nomenclature ? |
Post# 965820 , Reply# 93   11/3/2017 at 15:28 (2,337 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 965980 , Reply# 94   11/4/2017 at 13:04 (2,336 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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You answered your question above, the answer is: Pampers! and Huggies!
I have known day care center workers who use disposable diapers, most day cares require them. Every day care worker has said "you can't train the kids, they want paper!". Some of the little kids who just learned to talk will actually tell the adults to put them in Pampers. Some will have a tantrum if they have to wear "big boy or girl pants." Back in 1957, when it was all cloth diapers, most kids were trained by 18 months, now some kids are 3 years old and still wearing Pampers (and P&G came out with a toddler size, I guess cannot blame them for wanting to make more money). When kids went in cloth diapers, they were uncomfortable and needed changed and so kids were eager to use the potty. With these disposable diapers, there is so much absorption there is no wet feeling, so kids go on playing never knowing they wet or even pooped. One reason I am glad I am not a parent of small children is they are always having arguments, when out in public, about "go potty!". Some websites for parents for cloth diaper recommend getting a vintage washer to clean the diapers. Even the large amounts of water cannot be much damage compared to the fact that used Pampers just seem to be everywhere - If you go to a place where there are children, be careful you don't stop in a Pampers when you get out of your car. When I worked at the zoo, almost every day I had to pick up a Pampers and some of them were in not easy to get to places, they have been known to get into exhibits too. Most animals ignore them, but monkeys are known to throw a Pampers to each other. Oh, and John, thank you for not having children. From an environmental standpoint, now we can both be jet setting steak eating, corvette racing playboys and not do the damage we would do if we were fathers. |
Post# 966002 , Reply# 98   11/4/2017 at 15:14 (2,336 days old) by Losangeles (Muscle Shoals, AL 35661)   |   | |
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Post# 966004 , Reply# 99   11/4/2017 at 15:39 (2,336 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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I think I figured out why SQ decided to use an agi-tub on what is still really a traditional top load automatic. The reason why is that on the "Normal Eco" cycle they couldn't cut water usage any more with the previous design. They already eliminated the rinse cycle, but if they had to cut the wash water level any more on "Normal-Eco" than the 3-4 inches that they previously did, a large load at a small water level would be simply too much resistance between the tub and the agitator and the transmission no matter how well built would fail in short order. With the new "agi-tub," since the tub will move with the agitator there is no such risk that a large load and a low water level could do any damage to the drive mechanism. The whole tub, clothes, agitator and all mould just move back and forth with no more resistance than that of a large load with a high water level.
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Post# 966007 , Reply# 100   11/4/2017 at 15:54 (2,336 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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1. You are basing this statement on existing technology, infrastructure, and the ASSUMPTION the laws of physics have been exhausted. Put enough brain power and man power to work and you can device a system that gives a lot more fresh water with less energy. Especially if that energy is coming from a sustainable source. I am sure people are rolling their eyes at my education post, but that is simply folks basing things off their own experience in education 20 to 50 years ago. A lot has changed since then that most know little about.
2. "Given that *none* of the whiners here have signed up for a new power plant and/or water/sewage treatment plant in their backyard/neighborhood" Again, pure assumption. Who says you need more real-estate for any of these? Who says there isn't technology, both prototype and commercially available to maximize existing real-estate? Want a good example? Google "gas insulated substations" or "SF6 insulated substation" "neighborhood friendly substation". Power companies now can move many, many times more power from the same if not smaller footprint of existing air insulted substations, often with the option of being able to enclose the gas insulated gear in a building that blends in within its surroundings. Said technology is being implemented everyday across this country at hundreds of sites with few noticing it. In fact you might hear 'yahhh, there used to be transformers there but they demolished all that and built some type of office building' New powerplants... what about all the existing ones that have been closed or are scheduled to close? instituteforenergyresearch.org/t... I know people will make the argument 'but those were mostly coal, not to mention dated' Of course, but the space is there to build nuclear or NG; or you could just use the latest in clean coal technology... The resources are there and the technology is there, it just has to be implemented. HE is great way to delay taking care of the real issues in society... |
Post# 966035 , Reply# 102   11/4/2017 at 19:34 (2,336 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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I will reply more latter, but don't forget the regulations that squash it. Yes- near multi trillion- but from acquiring the best talent on earth and a tenacity to never give up on something now matter how impractical it might seem. IMO the egg does come first in this case. Which thankfully for the first time in 50 years we have an administration that is trying to put an end to the dark age regulations.
If electricity was produced from renewables and water purification easy, then efficiency would not matter. Yes it is cheaper to subsidize efficient light bulbs and push Energy star then upgrading 60 year old infrastructure. But in the end thats not addressing the root of the problem. I have used this argument before and I will use it again: Why did the US, the richest and most resourceful country on earth, choose TL over FL when they could have easily made FLs as they did TLs? Why TLs? |
Post# 966036 , Reply# 103   11/4/2017 at 19:44 (2,336 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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It would. Basicly every task you get as an engineer is based on the goal of total process optimisation. Efficent is always better as long as the result is sufficent. There is no but about that. |
Post# 966038 , Reply# 104   11/4/2017 at 19:56 (2,336 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Not always- and I can think of many of examples. Sometimes cost and simplicity take over efficiency. Most things can be a lot more efficient but often are not for those reasons. A box fan someone purchases would use 1/4 the power with a PSC motor, 1/5 with an inverter, but a shaded pole often gets thrown in because its cheaper and more reliable.
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Post# 966043 , Reply# 105   11/4/2017 at 20:12 (2,336 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Better example: there are dishwashers that will fill an outer tank before emptying the water into the wash tank. The idea is that heat will be drawn out of the wash tank and pre-heat the incoming rinse water saving energy. And it does save energy and is thus more efficient. But in most cases the engineers tasked for making consumer DW choose not to employee this type optimization. Same with GE not evacuating the sump, the process would be far more optimized if all the water was flushed out between drain and fill.
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Post# 966059 , Reply# 107   11/4/2017 at 21:41 (2,336 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)   |   | |
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That example with the dishwasher works very well in countries where the dishwasher is expected to heat its own water. It will fail miserably in countries where the machine has only a hot fill. Like USA. |
Post# 966061 , Reply# 109   11/4/2017 at 21:48 (2,336 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 966085 , Reply# 112   11/4/2017 at 22:53 (2,336 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 966092 , Reply# 113   11/4/2017 at 23:40 (2,336 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)   |   | |
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...at least in my experience,using different front load and agitator top load machines:bedsheets and heavily soiled work clothes seem to come out better using the top load machines. |
Post# 966095 , Reply# 114   11/4/2017 at 23:55 (2,336 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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I disagree- think about long lines where the water has chilled. Transferring that heat over does save something.
"Face it, my dad was a professor of Mech Eng for over 40 years until he retired -- in 1992, we used to have an Amana set, which is basically a spruced up copy of the SpeedQueen (at the time Raytheon owned them or something). My father heard the machine run for a few minutes and told me everything that was wrong with it (including transmission). The machine was still under warranty, so we sold it at a good price while it was still working, and got something else." Honestly, I see a lot of unfounded Speed Queen bashing and I think that comes from not understanding the product at hand. The new Speed Queens are so far from the Amanas. Yes the design is similar, but the seals were horrible (good chance your machine had a leak), the outter tub was plastic, they had a "gimmick" transmission and there were several other issues as well best left unsaid. "A year or so later, a *ton* of people started complaining about the SpeedQueens and the Amanas, some of them are users in this very website." Yes- and I have seen those reviews. No offense to anyone, but they often come from a lack of knowledge or experience in laundry. Ie, the lady who had an unbalanced load and the tub was hitting the sides. But that isn't a Speed Queen defect, any top load will do that (or begin to walk) with an unbalanced load. Another case was an agitator leaving holes in clothing which SQ was willing to send a hand inspected agitator, another scratches on the front that was traced back to the dealer... I could go on and on with examples, and outside of quirky noises that do not effect operation, not one of them was truly the result of poor engineering on Speed Queen's part. We could even pick up on the rough seems of the tub, but if one were rub their finger against them chances are nothing would happen. "Their revisions did not seem to make the machines much better. I had some hopes that the machines improved a lot when in the last few years folks here who fix them told us the design had improved remarkably." LOL, how? They aren't dropping like flies anymore after a few years of normal use. Do you really think laundry mats and military installations would put up with that? "But at the time when TLs were more common, SpeedQueens and Amanas were nothing more than average. Their only claim to fame is to be one of the last ones to be left on the market. Any washer in my basement currently finishes the job faster and better with less pre-treating, less manual interference etc than the Amana I used to have." Ok- I am skeptical about your claim regarding time. What top loader finishes a cycle faster than a Speed Queen on a normal cycle? Not just the name, but the actual time difference. And regarding manual interface... Huhh? I just add clothes, detergent, softener, and then pull the knob. 30 minutes latter clothes clean. There are TL SQ models that come with second rinse and prewash for those who need them. "I am not willing to inadvertently or willingly hurt folks who are on the Aspergers spectrum, of which there are a bunch in here. It's unfair that they believe the crappy propaganda from the manufacturers and corporations, and I can only offer data and hopefully be patient enough for them to process the new info without hurting them." I am not intending to diagnose anyone or make anyone feel different, but I think that could apply to everyone here, myself certainly included. We are an odd yet really cool group, and technically anyone from the outside could make the Apserger's claim. But then again you could apply that to so many others outside this group. But going on- yes I am 100% aware that FL use less water. Yes European FL with their advanced detergents and built in heaters out clean and outperform both US TLs and FLs. I fully understand that fact and it does not hurt me. However what does hurt me on the other hand is when an all knowing entity with a checkered history tells me what to buy and use. The government has no business regulating free will, and most sects that have done so through out history are not viewed in a good light. There are so many more things out there that need more attention like our healthcare, education, 3rd world infrastructure and out of control opioed crisis- all which do far more harm by leaps and bounds then people using a TL washers. Said entity will even arrest you for collecting rain water despite going against what they are supposedly trying to accomplish. Yes this thread has become somewhat political- but I think thats inevitable considering that politics is forcing fundamental changes in laundry- politics that are altering the process and anatomical make up of the very machines we use. Heres the thing. You want people to switch? Put FLs, and good Euro style FLs on the market and over time people will make the switch when they are saying "yahhh, you know that FL I bought, apparently it saving me money. Give it a try, you might too" |
Post# 966105 , Reply# 116   11/5/2017 at 01:15 (2,336 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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Come now Paulo and enlighten the rest of us. Who are these poor you accuse of Asbergers ? Surely you know. Name names please and have the balls to call them out. |
Post# 966111 , Reply# 118   11/5/2017 at 02:38 (2,335 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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And that is my point, there are so many cases where something can be made more efficient, but practicality limits that.
In your case with pre-treating yes it takes longer- but in my case 30 minutes vs 65-90 is a major time reduction. 45 minutes on regular? Sounds like those guys have low water pressure. Yes- collecting rain water: www.cnsnews.com/news/arti... "There is no pleasing people who in the same breath and sentence complain about the lack of healthcare, education, bad infrastructure and "out of control opioid crisis", *all* of which have been shown to benefit from government "interference" stopping the bad corporations from abusing unsuspecting public." No, its the opposite. Who runs the public education system and has done so more and more over the years? No child left behind/common core? The government has. Who has crippling regulations that squash infrastructure projects like new highways? The government. Who legalized powerful opiods (ok they were liberal for once) and then criminalizes the fall out? The government. Maybe the better term would be the are doing it all wrong. But still, the majority of cases involve oppressive laws and over-site. Somalia and Ethiopia are extremes that do not further the argument as there is a LOT in between them. |
Post# 966112 , Reply# 119   11/5/2017 at 02:47 (2,335 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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"that's *exactly* what hurts you people: everywhere people have been given a choice, they've been picking up the frontloaders"
Only from marketing and compelling force. Ie, Whirlpools new toploaders agitate when filling being very rough on clothing. No water level control on many models, long cycle times, locking lids... in short people are being forced to switch to front loaders. However thats not to say that there are people who save energy while getting great results from their Fls. Many people do. However IMO the issue boils down to consumer choice that is presently limited. |
Post# 966123 , Reply# 120   11/5/2017 at 05:51 (2,335 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 966156 , Reply# 121   11/5/2017 at 09:05 (2,335 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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I AM one of those autistic people you mention, Paulo, and I am proud to be as such. I resent your notion that myself and people like me cannot be trusted to analyze this thread and make proper sense of it. I have trouble w/ social interaction not rational thinking.
I am most certainly not having trouble following this discussion and it is insulting for you to say that autistic folks like myself cannot! I usually find your commentary intriguing, but this is simply insulting. |
Post# 966161 , Reply# 122   11/5/2017 at 09:23 (2,335 days old) by simpsomatic (Melb, Aust-now Palm Springs,US)   |   | |
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Here we go again, same old pot stirrers............ |
Post# 966213 , Reply# 128   11/5/2017 at 13:59 (2,335 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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Post# 966214 , Reply# 129   11/5/2017 at 14:01 (2,335 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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AgiFlow2: It certainly then must be the detergents and built in heaters because I don't see how lightly tossing clothes will get them clean as compared to the good spanking an agitator gives.Then perhaps you don't have much or any experience using a FL. :-) The full-fill (very large) load of whites in the WP DD that I referenced in Reply #73 above certainly came clean ... with four water changes -- soak/prewash, wash (chlorine bleach added last few mins), rinse, 2nd rinse -- more than 100 gallons of water. It also generated an alarming amount of lint in the dryer, compared to what would result from the same load in the Calypso with considerably less water consumption. |
Post# 966251 , Reply# 133   11/5/2017 at 18:31 (2,335 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Yes, as Paulo says, the coin-op environment can't be directly compared to a home machine. The business model is to get the customers in and out quickly. A machine running a long cycle can only run X times per day whereas a shorter cycle can run XX times ... more revenue. Improved detergents target soils on the chemical level so less physical beating is needed ... longer "soaking" time to loosen soils and stains, less aggressive "spanking" to flush them out. |
Post# 966273 , Reply# 134   11/5/2017 at 20:09 (2,335 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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I can say one thing for you Paulo,..you explain yourself pretty well and I don't want any bad feeling here. I shouldn't have put you on the spot like that. My apologies. I'm not here to argue with you or anyone. Take care, Pat |
Post# 966292 , Reply# 136   11/5/2017 at 21:03 (2,335 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit)   |   | |
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I understand better now. I want to apologize for getting my feathers ruffled.
I think now that both you and Patrick meant the best but it was a little confusing. I appreciate your flattering comments about us autistic folk, but I'm certainly no Einstein or Thomas Jefferson! "Minor slip." I have got to laugh because I usually end up messing something up within the first week of joining a forum. To sum up, you meant the best and thus you didn't need to apologize. I want to thank you for your care about us. All I can say is you're lucky that there isn't an extremist "autistic self-advocate" around here, as they would take insult to the simple fact that you showed support at all and didn't let them do all the talking. I have both my support and qualms with those types, they make every neurotypical(NT) action even if it is to help autistic people out to be bad because they "cannot possibly represent us." They do have a point that autistic representation regarding autistic issues is severely lacking, though. |
Post# 966336 , Reply# 138   11/6/2017 at 03:57 (2,334 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 966408 , Reply# 142   11/6/2017 at 13:39 (2,334 days old) by brucelucenta ()   |   | |
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I will really find it interesting to see how well this works. |
Post# 966523 , Reply# 148   11/7/2017 at 02:12 (2,334 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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I think Speed Queen did the right thing. As Infusor said I don't think they will risk it. I mean ultimately I'd like the classic concept of filling all the way to the top to remain forever, but with the current regulations SQ was forced to make changes.
With those changes if I had to choose between a mod shifter that could fail in 10 years (which would make the machine practically junk-able) and a fail proof part then I would go with the fail proof design. Remember, Speed Queen is trying to get 20 years (at least) out of these machine. A mod shiftier is a gamble in addition to necessitating a suspension system change. I don't know, maybe they could make a sifter serviceable that does not require removing the inner and outter tub when it fails, but still. |
Post# 966535 , Reply# 150   11/7/2017 at 06:16 (2,333 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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"For most cycles, you still get a full tub of water for wash and rinse and the temperature you select for washing is still hot or warm or cold and not blended"
Wait, is my leg being pulled here? Because that is to good to be true. If that is true my respect for SQ just went up in that they could have ditched that all together. Glad to see an effort to give customers what they want. |
Post# 966540 , Reply# 151   11/7/2017 at 06:38 (2,333 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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I got mine this past Saturday and I have to say it's a very good machine, aside from the fabric softener dispenser, which will dump the FS in the spray rinse, regardless if you select the FS option (which adds a deep rinse in addition to a spray rinse). That is extremely frustrating and all I can gather is that in the manual they discourage the use of liquid "conditioner", so my guess is it's intentional to reduce scrud build up...still, I'm not happy BUT...
Rollover is excellent...yes it's a straight vane but it has very vigorous agitation and it does rollover well, as long as water level is proper. It does have an auto level, which I discovered works good for smaller loads. Larger ones it actually estimates very well, but it's just not enough to get good rollover. But nice thing is you can over ride it easily after. It's extremely quiet as well. So for the most part I'm very happy with it...just that dang FS option! haha I may try a Downy Ball to see if that works better. |
Post# 966573 , Reply# 152   11/7/2017 at 10:32 (2,333 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 966672 , Reply# 154   11/7/2017 at 18:40 (2,333 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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You said it now has a "proper" neutral drain as if it's a good thing they no longer do spin drains? I thought all the washer fanatics loved spin drains? I remember my Grandma's Frigidaire would spin a tub full of water out in no time, and I always hated the fact that our Lady Kenmore didn't do that. I think spin drains are better unless there's something I'm missing.
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Post# 966699 , Reply# 155   11/7/2017 at 20:44 (2,333 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 966701 , Reply# 156   11/7/2017 at 20:54 (2,333 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Yes i did buy the FP. It's probably comparable to the SQ. Very user friendly and you are able to adjust things to your desire. I liked it for the larger capacity, and considering I just barely fit all my towels in it's 3.9 cu ft tub, I'm glad I bought it over the SQ.
It's kind of like when I switched from Windows to Mac...a little weird but I learned to love it immensely. I'm sure it will be the same for the FP. :-) Yesss it's uses a shit ton water. LOL. But it's temp efficient with the Eco Active re-circulation spray. I'm not in a drought area so I'm happy. |
Post# 966763 , Reply# 158   11/8/2017 at 06:21 (2,332 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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Yes, that's what I like about the FP is that the agitator model (at least in the US), is not an HE machine. The auto level works decent actually, though I discovered that while washing bedding it's best to select the water level manually.
Best thing I like is that the water temp isn't dumbed down, unless you want it to be. I selected warm and it felt almost hot to me...haha. Nice! I turned controlled cold on instead of tap cold because out tap water gets pretty chilly in NH this time of year. It's a very cool machine. |
Post# 966779 , Reply# 159   11/8/2017 at 07:50 (2,332 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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Joeypete, how does the F&P compare to your Maytag Bravos ? |
Post# 966783 , Reply# 160   11/8/2017 at 08:02 (2,332 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH)   |   | |
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It's a completely different machine honestly. The Maytag, while able to be filled completely, was still an HE machine at heart. The FP is not an HE machine, it fills traditionally and has more control over options, which I liked better.
The Maytag is probably a better cleaner, though it did take longer, but would clean anything. The FP has done a good job so far but it's cycles are timed more like a regular washer. I'll probably notice the biggest difference on my whites. The Maytag cleaned them spotless, with little to no pretreatment. My other stuff doesn't get that dirty so I won't be able to see a difference. But like I said, I like the more traditional setup of the FP. |
Post# 966787 , Reply# 161   11/8/2017 at 08:30 (2,332 days old) by agiflow2 ()   |   | |
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Cool. Hope you get years of good service. |
Post# 966797 , Reply# 162   11/8/2017 at 10:14 (2,332 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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To clarify on Rapunzel/Olav's F&P detail for agitator models ... only the initial Eco Active pretreatment is at the low-water saturation level, at the selected temperature. The Eco Active solution is not drained, a traditional agitated wash follows at either an auto-sensed or a manually-selected water level, with the fill being at controlled-cold (Regular, Heavy, Delicate, Quick cycles). Only the Regular & Heavy cycles default to an eco/shower rinse (like SQ's Normal Eco cycle but designed differently and IMO more effective). Softener option changes it to an agitated rinse. WashSmart's Allergy cycle fills to the selected level fully at the selected temperature, no controlled-cold is involved (and it does two deep agitated rinses). JoeyPete has confirmed that Allergy defaults to Hot but any temp can be selected. Can also fill it on Allergy, then change the cycle (manually select the same water level) and it'll happily run along with Hot water (or whatever temp) on whichever cycle. Software revisions vary the temperatures across the range of models, production years, market areas, etc. Target temps on my 2004 IWL12 Intuitive Eco (per Diagnostic Mode). A submenu provides adjustment (in °C) of -6, -4, -2, 0, +2, +4, +6. - Hot = 69°C (156.2°F, equivalent to tap hot) - Warm/Hot = 51°C (123.8°F, also equivalent to tap hot for most households per typical water heater settings) - Warm = 46°C (114.8°F) - Warm/Cold = 34°C (93.2°F) - Cold+ (Controlled Cold) = 16°C (60.8°F) - Cold = tap Perm Press or Easy Iron or Creasables, as the cycle is variously called, is usually designed as a traditional wash without Eco Active. The Creasables option on my IWL12 does run Eco Active, raises the auto-sensed water level one level higher (not higher than High, of course) after sensing is done, and has two agitated rinses. |
Post# 1083662 , Reply# 163   8/2/2020 at 22:47 (1,334 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I believe speed queen tweeked their wash action to be more aggressive with slightly less strokes. I also believe they call their wash system the perfectwash. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK |
Post# 1083663 , Reply# 164   8/2/2020 at 22:51 (1,334 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Here's a video of the new speed queen washing shirts. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK |
Post# 1083696 , Reply# 165   8/3/2020 at 05:53 (1,333 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Just Pathetic , An hour to wash 15 shirts that are not even dirty, and over an hour to wash a small load of small shop towels, they should have compared the results to also doing the same loads in a SQ TC 5000 and a SQ FL washer.
There should have been a comparison of total water, total hot water and time, and a comparison of actual before and after results to a TC5000.
Speed Queen knows these washers do not excel in performance, this is the reason the old machine is still in production for commercial use and the TC5000 is now the best selling TL washer for home use. |
Post# 1083767 , Reply# 166   8/3/2020 at 13:54 (1,333 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 1083792 , Reply# 167   8/3/2020 at 19:28 (1,333 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I highly doubt it. |
Post# 1083885 , Reply# 168   8/4/2020 at 17:14 (1,332 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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At least speed queen is offering more choices. At least we can get their front loader, their classic series and the perfect wash series. |
Post# 1084023 , Reply# 169   8/5/2020 at 17:52 (1,331 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Here's the latest perfect wash video of the latest iteration. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK |
Post# 1084024 , Reply# 170   8/5/2020 at 17:56 (1,331 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Here's the dirt test. CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK |
Post# 1084026 , Reply# 171   8/5/2020 at 18:00 (1,331 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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Here's the second iteration CLICK HERE TO GO TO GELaundry4ever's LINK |
Post# 1084030 , Reply# 172   8/5/2020 at 18:23 (1,331 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Such BS, they are more wet than dirty, he should go get 10 pairs of dirty jeans from the local auto body shop and wash them in this washer and as a control run an identical load through a SQ TC5000.
The amount of time, hot and cold water and electricity used and weight of the clothing at the end of the cycle then compare the results.
The new TR machine will win on electrical consumption and on water extraction, you will save about 1 cent in power consumption to run the washer and 5 cents to 14 cents when drying the clothing depending on whether a gas or electric dryer, but you will have ten pairs of jeans that are very noticeable dirtier with the TR, we have done multiple very dirty load tests at our shop.
A super capacity DD WP-KM will beat the tc a little in overall cleaning but be a little worse in water extraction than the TC.
John L. |
Post# 1134968 , Reply# 173   12/1/2021 at 15:42 (848 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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I am still not too thrilled about Speed Queen’s 2018 design since the wash action is lethargic, and uses a absurd amount of water compared to the models that preceded them. Admittedly, they have worked out a few bugs but still don’t wash or rinse as well compared to 2017 and older models.
Pretty much my folks wanted a Speed Queen set when we were supposed to move to Idaho (plans changed and haven’t moved yet) but since the design changed in 2018, I told them not to get it since it had poor washing and rinsing performance and was more expensive than the models that preceded them as well. Speed Queen may have went back to the drawing board and brought back the old design but still doesn’t seem quite the same and am not too fond of the first slow spin since it doesn’t spin out enough of the soapy water and detergent resulting in suds in the rinse water. |