Thread Number: 73139
/ Tag: Modern Dryers
Please explain the 29" dryer thing |
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Post# 966067 , Reply# 1   11/4/2017 at 22:05 (2,358 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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It comes down to capacity:
www.warnersstellian.com/dryer-buy... The wider/larger dryers have greater drum capacity which balances out that of a matching washing machine. Ages ago when automatic top loaders began displacing wringer and semi-automatics you had what was considered "standard" capacity. Cannot recall exactly when (and am sure others will correct and or add onto), but about the 1960's or so American washing machine manufactures came out with "extra large" capacity top loaders. These larger washers were meant for Madame to get through her wash day faster by doing larger loads. Well bigger washers need larger dryers, so there you are then. Fast forward to today where top loaders are ditching central beaters and going with impeller plates, they also gain capacity. So you have American *HE* toploaders claiming 4.3 (IIRC) cubic foot capacity. That is quite a lot of wash and will need a larger dryer. As to the build quality between the two, will leave that to others. Regarding "why" 27" dryers at all; well besides capacity not all households have room for a 29" dryer. Yes, even those two inches can make a difference, especially when the laundry appliances are being installed in a kitchen or other living area instead of shoved down in basements. Even more to consider is that dryer makers have found ways to increase capacity while still keeping a 27" width. Suspect as with some front loading washers they simply made the drums a bit deeper. That and or have them take up more space inside cabinet. The other thing you are probably seeing is that dryers in USA no longer automatically mean those with controls on top/non stackable. To match their front loading washers many dryers sold here today can be stacked. They also have pretty good capacity in order to take the load from the often larger sized washer (think WP Duet and similar machines). Because units are designed to stack (if customer wishes) the dryer must be same width as washer. |
Post# 966070 , Reply# 2   11/4/2017 at 22:13 (2,358 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Larger capacity dryers can hold more, but they take longer to dry, and use more energy since there is a bigger drum to heat up. Maytag SOH dryers have a larger capacity compared to the HOH models, but they can ball up comforters. A Maytag HOH has a smaller capacity, but they can dry a large comforter faster than the SOH dryers.
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Post# 966076 , Reply# 3   11/4/2017 at 22:23 (2,358 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Old-style belt-drive washers were 29" so the 29" dryer matched them. Direct-drive washers were initially 24". The 27" change on them came about a few years in when capacity was increased, maybe in preparation for discontinuing the belt-drive design? The 27" platform was introduced in 1996/1997 per the service manual reference, which was before the Calypso match. Maybe the purpose was to match the 27" washers. There doesn't seem to be an obvious pattern for 27" or 29" matching of dryers to the 27" washers. I found it interesting that the dryer match to the Catalyst 27" DD washer is a 29" top-filter dryer. |
Post# 966119 , Reply# 4   11/5/2017 at 05:17 (2,357 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Here's the link to a thread about a set with 29 inch washer and a 29 inch dryer.
www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T... |
Post# 966127 , Reply# 5   11/5/2017 at 06:37 (2,357 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 966141 , Reply# 6   11/5/2017 at 08:24 (2,357 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Crazy that there's a blatant error at 0:55 -- "no sensing of exhaust temperature" on a timed-dry cycle. Absolutely there is a thermostat in the exhaust that regulates the heat source. Another error at 2:03 -- a "thermistor" and "thermostat" perform the same function in regulating the air temperature. |
Post# 966143 , Reply# 7   11/5/2017 at 08:34 (2,357 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)   |   | |
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The 27 wide dryer is front servicable,whereas the 29 wide dryer needs access to the back for some repairs. Airflow pattern is superior in the 29 wide dryer. Also the wider drum makes it a speedy dryer for wrinkle free results at any temp. |
Post# 966151 , Reply# 9   11/5/2017 at 08:50 (2,357 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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either machine has 'soft heat' function of some sort.....definitely one of the better drying systems compared to other manufacturers....I favor this machine over my others....
lets talk drying drums, or baffles to be exact..... the 29", has two baffles, and one speed bump built into the drum.... while as the 27" has three baffles, one being extended more than the other two.... IMHO...I find drop down doors to be easier for loading/unloading versus a side swing door....some like one more than the other...to each his own |
Post# 966154 , Reply# 10   11/5/2017 at 08:58 (2,357 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Yes, I understand the difference between a thermistor and a bi-metal thermostat but the point is they do both control the air temperature. Some models back in the day had a "hydraulic" (or whatever is the proper terminology) continuously variable thermostat like an oven. TOL models with five pushbuttons temperature selections like the Imperial Mark XII and Mark 18 units did have separate bi-metals for each heat level. |
Post# 966171 , Reply# 11   11/5/2017 at 10:25 (2,357 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Then your problem is just the phrasing? Nothing new that WP screws up proper phrasing in their tech videos. But GE isn't much better either... |
Post# 967253 , Reply# 16   11/11/2017 at 01:29 (2,352 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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With all the hoopla about washer water-energy use-NO ONE has addressed energy use of dryers-far MORE power used by them than even the least efficient washer!Yet EVERYONE uses a dryer these days.They are convenient-so folks will use them. |
Post# 967272 , Reply# 18   11/11/2017 at 05:28 (2,351 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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And dryers? As if the thing is on 24/7 365 days of the year?
That might be true in some parts of the USA but not certainly in our neck of the woods. In fact try to minimize AC where possible in all but the most hot and or humid weather because don't like "stale" air. Cold nor warm.... In many parts of the USA dryers/laundry areas are located in garages, back porches, car ports, basements and or other areas that aren't air conditioned. At my parent's home the laundry is in cellar, which is not heated. Well the boilers are down there so guess to an extent it is, but not directly on purpose. |
Post# 967302 , Reply# 19   11/11/2017 at 10:32 (2,351 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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well when it comes to 'conditioned' air in the room/house....and using A/C-Heat, then having this dryers blower tossing it out the window, seems counter productive at times....
I know it would be a bit of a challenge for some installs....but wondering why they haven't come out with a sealed combustion type of dryer like the water and air heaters? pulling outside air in to heat, toss with the clothing, and returning hot moist air to the environment...... doesn't really have to be completely sealed, but some sort of intake and exhaust setup.... in past homes I was in, if the laundry was in a separate room or bathroom, you could close the door and open a window just to exchange air for that given space, without taking conditioned air from the general part of the home... some manufactured home have a in-take vent near the dryer to exchange the air, especially if the home is well sealed... you would be surprised the amount of air that is pumped out during one dryers cycle... some vintage dryers use to have upwards of 30,000btu burners...hence High Speed drying.....most of todays are around 18,000 to 22,000btu's....probably better for fabric care, and to match the washers cycle times.... but for the most part, the best your going to get with a dryers efficiency is a high speed blower, and an AUTO cycle, not allowing the machine to run any more than it has to...most have gotten more efficient than past years, but its not a big improvement in a standard dryer... |
Post# 967402 , Reply# 21   11/11/2017 at 19:52 (2,351 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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With front loading washing machines and or top loaders with higher final extraction speeds (a or >1000 rpms) the need for baking all that moisture out via dryers is becoming less.
Truth to tell ever since more modern top loaders replaced wringer washers final extraction has been improving. Not every machine reached the "Rapid Dry" of Frigidaire fame, but still even 700 rpms beats the 200 or so of a wringer. Again commercial laundries have known this for ages; the best place and most efficient place to remove moisture is via extractors/spin drying. It saves energy in both tumble or other drying and or ironers. In ideal situations laundry should come from the machines with just enough moisture to go through ironers and emerge dry. Tumble drying should not take long periods as again much of the water as possible should have been spun away. Also we have to take into account clothing and other textiles are often much lighter weight than say even the 1950's. Percale has replaced heavy muslin sheeting. Aside from perhaps denim jeans much of today's wardrobes are made up of lighter weight cottons and other fabrics that need less drying. The growth of polyester/cotton and other blends if not outright totally manmade fibers has also not only lightened textiles but make for easier laundering. Polyester does not hold and trap water like natural fibers such as cotton, linen, wool, etc... The more if it there is in a textile, less retained moisture there will be after laundering. |
Post# 967481 , Reply# 22   11/12/2017 at 12:19 (2,350 days old) by marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin)   |   | |
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Jerrod6: you could choose to measure power in Watts or BTU/h. Similarly you can measure energy consumption in kWh or BTU regardless of whether we're talking about gas dryers, electric dryers, light bulbs, water heaters, cooktops etc.
In order to compare dryers, it's best to choose one system and stick with it -- in this case, power in kW and consumption in kWh.
Gas dryers are not more efficient than electric dryers. In fact, they actually use slightly more energy due to the combustion process and its moisture being drawn through the drying chamber. But of course gas is cheaper and typically emits fewer greenhouse gasses even when compared to heat pump dryers depending on the energy mix in your region.
So Energy Star figures might show something like this: Electricy cost: 14 cents per kWh Gas cost: 4 cents per kWh Electric vented dryer: annual consumption 500 kWh costing $70 carbon footprint of 100 kg Electric heat-pump dryer: annual consumption 250 kWh costing $35 carbon footprint of 50 kg Gas dryer: annual consumption 600 kWh costing $24 carbon footprint of 40 kg This post was last edited 11/12/2017 at 15:25 |
Post# 967631 , Reply# 24   11/13/2017 at 01:16 (2,350 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 967633 , Reply# 25   11/13/2017 at 01:28 (2,350 days old) by marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin)   |   | |
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It's telling you that they used 658 or 685 kWh of gas. Would you prefer this be in cubic feet, therms or BTU? Electricity could be measured like that too if you prefer. But to compare between dryers you need to pick a single system and use it for both. So the dryers you're referring to use 658 kWh and 685 kWh of gas.
When I lived in Phoenix, AZ from memory the cost of my utilities was as follows:
Natural gas: 4 cents per kWh Electricity: 6 cents per kWh off-peak (weekends, holidays and weekdays 7pm through midday) Electricity 22 cents per kWh winter peak-rate (weekdays midday through 7pm) Electricity 25 cents per kWh winter peak-rate
So if a dryer used 658 kWh of gas, that would cost me 658 x 4 = $26 If an electric dryer used 658 then it would obviously depend on when I was using it. But could be well over $100 if I often used it during the peak rates.
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Post# 967639 , Reply# 27   11/13/2017 at 02:24 (2,350 days old) by Marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin)   |   | |
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Post# 967667 , Reply# 29   11/13/2017 at 07:06 (2,349 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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it's interesting I've never lived anywhere that had gas - everywhere I've lived has been all electric. I seriously wouldn't even know what to do with a gas range.
Anyway - Sometimes I feel guilty about using my dryer the way I use it. The past few years, the washer holds so much more than the dryer, so I will often dry half loads. They dry more quickly and much less wrinkling. I've never paid attention or done the math as to how long the dryer actually ran drying the 1/2 loads vs if I had put the load in and dried the whole thing at once. I'm sure the dryer runs more doing 1/2 loads though - I don't always do this. I've gotten to where when I do laundry, I break the loads up more so they aren't so large. Essentially, my dryer dictates how I'm doing laundry. It's not mismatched set either |
Post# 967778 , Reply# 30   11/13/2017 at 18:30 (2,349 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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As noted gas or electric, it really comes down to a few factors including what is available and cost.
Here in NYC area gas dryers dominate due to our high electricity rates. However in some instances (portable, some apartment buildings, etc...) electric is the only way to go since gas lines for a dryer aren't present. Gas dryers also require venting, which also factors into some peoples equations. |