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No Consumer Speed Queen Front Loaders in 2018??
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Post# 971976   12/6/2017 at 15:42 (349 days old) by jcturbot (Central MA)        

Was out and about today and stopped by a Speed Queen dealer to have a look at what was available.

He was on the phone with someone higher up and they were saying Speed Queen is discontinuing their front loaders to the consumer market and only making them for the commercial market. Top loaders will continue as usual.

So...any truth to this? Probably BS but I figured I'd ask.


Post# 971980 , Reply# 1   12/6/2017 at 15:56 (349 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0700 CDT.))        
News to me:

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I can't see why they would do that. Especially when they have the best FL machine on the market.

Post# 971982 , Reply# 2   12/6/2017 at 15:56 (349 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Whoever gave that information was not well informed.

SQ *is* bringing out a 2018 model year line of domestic front loaders. Production has been delayed until January of new year due to issues in complying with (yet more) federal rules regarding water efficiency.

According to my sources this will mean the redesigned washers will have totally new model numbers. That could be why *your* source is getting things confused. Looking at the current model numbers may not show anything after end of this year...

Post# 971986 , Reply# 3   12/6/2017 at 16:17 (349 days old) by jcturbot (Central MA)        

I'm sure you are right, there was probably a misunderstanding between the dealer and his informant.

Any ideas what changes the new SQ FL's will have? Heater? Larger capacity? More programs?


Post# 972017 , Reply# 4   12/6/2017 at 19:08 (349 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
All one found out was as stated

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Thanks to yet more interference by federal government SQ needed in 2018 to produce front loaders that met with tighter energy/water usage. Thus new models will be coming in new year. Besides that cannot say.

Post# 972018 , Reply# 5   12/6/2017 at 19:12 (349 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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When was the last time anyone recalls when the goobermint got involved with something and it actually worked out?

Post# 972020 , Reply# 6   12/6/2017 at 19:15 (349 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)        
Every Day

you drive on the highways. Every day that your police department works. And so on.

Unpatriotic people living in this country disgust me.

Post# 972043 , Reply# 7   12/6/2017 at 21:17 (349 days old) by Repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

So now it's unpatriotic to desire less government intrusion in a country founded because it fought (and won) independence from a overbearing government ? I don't think anyone is arguing for NO government. Just LESS control over our everyday lives.

And I am certain that Speed Queen will not discontinue the residential front load line. That just wouldn't make sense at any level. Mine (at 2.5 years old) are not holding up very well in a commercial environment but in a household they should last at least twice as long as any other brand. And they do wash very well. All front loads do.

Post# 972047 , Reply# 8   12/6/2017 at 21:43 (349 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)        
No, Repair-man

You must not have read the thread that prompted my response:

"When was the last time anyone recalls when the "goobermint" (sic) got involved with something and it actually worked out?"

Our government is us; it was Bonzo Reagan who started the idiot's concept that our method of democracy is somehow 'us and them'. It was crap then designed to attract and satisfy pinheads and rednecks, and the orange turd in the WH is using it the same way. And, like Bonzo, he's wasting our money like a drunken sailor while saying so.

Our governmental bodies are full of good, honest, hardworking people, and I won't see others slamming them without saying something. If people don't like what we're doing, then they can get their asses off their couches and vote.

Post# 972061 , Reply# 9   12/6/2017 at 22:53 (349 days old) by Repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

Not looking for a big debate on government/politics. This isn't the place anyway. I just don't want somebody that knows next to nothing about laundry making decisions on what I can and cannot do with my washing machines. (Or other things in my personal life) The water temperature and amount of water I use poses no imminent danger to the general public. In time the public will increasingly favor the products that cost less to operate and produce better results. I love watching a good old top load washer as much as anyone. But after I experienced the water savings and better results from a front load I just couldn't look back. And I believe that at times government interference causes the inverse results of the stated purpose. And sometimes it DOES bring about needed change. Is it possible that if higher efficiency machines were more softly introduced to the public many more people would be receptive to them ? Instead almost immediately people ended up with washers that used so little water and not very hot water that they got smelly, not clean and often prematurely worn out clothes. All with much longer cycle times. Now most manufactures (not Speed Queen) are playing catch up trying to convince customers to "look at us" we use lots of water , etc.

Post# 972064 , Reply# 10   12/6/2017 at 23:12 (349 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)        
I Agree,

I'm not interesting in any political debate at all. However, particularly as we live in a time in our national history where ugliness and intolerance are the rule more than the exception, I won't sit still on this or any other forum while asinine slurs are directed toward our public institutions.

I'm old enough to remember the pissing and moaning in the mid 70's when airbags first came out in cars. As a car-buying public we were still fighting having to wear seatbelts! Just like the stupid argument about whether motorcycle helmets should be compulsory, people delighted in concentrating only on their own situations and their own desires. I spent decades dealing with veggies who refused to wear helmets while riding, and then when their brains were turned to so much ground meat in an accident, then we, the public, were obligated to pay for the rest of their useless lives.

How many of you out there would like to dump your airbags now, given the choice? Or your seat belts?

We're in an orgy of selfishness in this country, where everyone is so busy concentrating on what they want as individuals that what is good for all is derided a la "goobermint". Well, celebrate then, folks, 'cause the orange turd just took 2 million of our common park lands away to give to corporate oil and mining companies.

I wish I'd live to see the spirit of being in a common drive in the US for a better world again, but I'm not optimistic. And so much for this soapbox... I know it's a waste of breath on this website.

Post# 972065 , Reply# 11   12/6/2017 at 23:42 (349 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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John, unfortunately it's a waste of breath everywhere you encounter those who don't give a rat's ass about the greater good.  That's why I don't bother with visiting the DL forum anymore.


I do agree though, that FL machines are superior to TL types in cleaning ability, but I also agree that a "hot" water selection should deliver exactly that, and not some sort of programmed "I know better" dumbed down version that's barely more than warm. 


I am caregiver for my spouse, who is incontinent.  My 2008 Frigidaire Affinity FL won't provide water as hot as I feel is required for processing certain items that must be washed on a daily basis, so I end up adding hot water from the tap.  Not ideal, but there's no alternative other than the heated "sanitize" cycle, which is overkill and ties up the machine for more than two hours.

Post# 972092 , Reply# 12   12/7/2017 at 06:16 (349 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Correct me if I'm wrong

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It's my understanding that SQ can make the normal cycle to comply with government water standards.....while freely letting the other cycles do what they want, as long as the normal "most used cycle" complies with government regulation?

Post# 972101 , Reply# 13   12/7/2017 at 07:37 (348 days old) by jcturbot (Central MA)        

What I thought was strange was that that the dealer stated Top loaders will continue as usual even though I'm sure those model #s have changed as well.

We all know from the Lorainfurniture post that there is a new model SQ Top loader coming.


Post# 972124 , Reply# 14   12/7/2017 at 09:49 (348 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Wow. I must have fallen asleep and woke up in North Korea.  I didn't realize it was unpatriotic to question our all knowing goobermint.


What I find disgusting are those who tend to lean to the left who knee jerk criticize anyone who happens to have a different point of view.

Post# 972143 , Reply# 15   12/7/2017 at 13:08 (348 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Just do like I do

REFUSE to buy or use anything new!

Post# 972147 , Reply# 16   12/7/2017 at 13:31 (348 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
for Norgeway

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Is Keatons still going?  Have you been there recently?

Post# 972150 , Reply# 17   12/7/2017 at 13:48 (348 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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“What I find disgusting are those who tend to lean to the left who knee jerk criticize anyone who happens to have a different point of view.”

With all due respect it’s a two way street with these kind of comments.

I seem to recall that you have more than once criticized members who have viewpoints that differ from your anti government ideas. I myself have been the recipient of some of your remarks. So, next time you think about making a derogatory remark about someone elses more liberal point of view, stop and think about how it felt for your viewpoint to be criticized.

There can always be a way to get your point a cross with out making a personal attack.

And for the record I happen to agree with you about some things. I just don’t see the EPA as the enemy. We should all be allowed to use hot water if we want to, without it being dumbed down and have our machines fill without flow restrictors. And I do believe that some of the new requirements for less water have maybe gone a little overboard. But that being said, many of our states do have a critical shortage of potable water. So even if Pennsylvania has an abundance of water, thats not the case for everyone. If the government is making changes to allow for future shortages, its in the best interest of us all.

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Post# 972155 , Reply# 18   12/7/2017 at 14:07 (348 days old) by Infusor (Usa)        

If it wasn't for the government we'd still have pipes wrapped in asbestos.

Post# 972162 , Reply# 19   12/7/2017 at 14:44 (348 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        
I concur regulations are a point

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I'm not total lazy fare (sic) yet on the other hand, I'm not one that believes when in doubt, add another rule, ban, regulation et cetera.


You are 100% correct, I HAVE been quite vociferous in certain replies.  Point taken, however it does go both ways and there have been others on here with pro govt points of view that have been most critical of me.  I recall I was once labeled as out of touch and my favorite, head in the sand.  I still get a chuckle on that one.


Back to the topic, I'm against over regulation by an un-elected entity like the DOE and EPA.  Notice I said over regulation. Not regulation per se.  While I have a certain level of respect for political leaders, I do not nor have I fallen into line that 'the gov't says so therefore it's gospel because they KNOW what is best for all of us".  If we are a representative democracy, then we need to take back control over our lives rather than let unelected bureaucrats do it for us. Just sayin.


I still question why, thanks to these regulations, that we now need to invest in "cleaners" to clean the the machines (dishwasher and washer). Did anyone consider the environmental cost to create, produce, and distribute this stuff? I doubt it. And while we're on topic, since there appears to be a water shortage, why is it necessary to create cycles that do not wash clothes but are there to clean the very machine that is designed to clean your laundry?  Yet somehow this is not a waste of resources?


I generally try to be congenial but when I am attacked, either directly or indirectly, I will fight back.

Post# 972164 , Reply# 20   12/7/2017 at 14:54 (348 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        
Your head is where?

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Well Ben, at least the sand is better than the other popular option . . .


As for why we need cleaners to run though our cleaners, that's easy.   A corporatocracy now exists in this country, and any method they can come up with to create more revenue to keep for themselves rather than give back to the system that enriches them, they will lobby for and receive on a silver platter from the congressional representatives they bought and paid for as a result of a tilted SCOTUS upholding Citizens United.





Post# 972178 , Reply# 21   12/7/2017 at 16:19 (348 days old) by ea56 (Sonoma Co.,CA)        

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Post# 972185 , Reply# 22   12/7/2017 at 16:56 (348 days old) by Maytag85 (SoCal )        
I am with Norgeway

I REDUSE to use or buy anything new!

We had more freedom 50 years ago, and we had appliances that did what they were designed to do.

The DOE/EPA needs to mind their own business!!

Post# 972190 , Reply# 23   12/7/2017 at 17:09 (348 days old) by Infusor (Usa)        

You refuse to buy anything new...... good for you.....maybe you should refrain from posting in here with your constant negative attitude being this is a MODERN forum, kindly go hangout in the vintage forum.

Post# 972197 , Reply# 24   12/7/2017 at 17:49 (348 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Ok, now I'm chiming in.

This scourge against machine cleaners is ridiculous.
I'm 34, ... yeah just a "kid" but I'm old enough to remember the "good ole days."
Do you know what else I remember?
I remember my parents running Glisten through our 1970s GE dishwasher because after a while it would scale up or have some stains in the Plastisol.
Now that machine used probably 10gal of water on Short Wash.
Yet it still needed internal cleaning from time to time.

You know what else I remember?
I remember my mom (or her having ME) clean out the center agitator of soap and softener scum in our old Maytag washer. That and the little holes in the lint filter. That machine used lots of water, hot if you wanted it. Yet still needed to be periodically cleaned.

You know what else I remember? Running cups of Cascade through different washing machines I had in apartments because they were DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!
We're talking DD Whirlpools. Post FF GEs. They had all sorts of gross buildup that needed some caustic cleaners run through them. Especially if neglected.
Speaking of which. That "oh so nostalgic" GE Filter-Flo scent that some swoon about on here? That's from scum buildup on the outer tub and transmission boot in those famous Filter-Flos.
I sure as heck bet those could've used some good doses of Affresh.

Machines ALWAYS required some cleaning and maintenance as long as I can remember.
Modern machines use a lower level of water, so yes, they don't always flush themselves out as well, all the time.
But let's not get all "harumph-y" that we now all of a sudden have to clean our cleaners because of the stoopid gubmint putting its nose where it don't belong.
These machine cleaners have always been around to fulfill a need. And they still do today.
I run my Maxima through a Clean cycle every time it tells me to.
Is it necessary? No, actually, it isn't. My boot is mold free, and the drum smells fresh all the time. Even if I skip a month. But I do it anyway because I like KEEPING my machines clean and in proper order.

End rant :)

Post# 972202 , Reply# 25   12/7/2017 at 18:22 (348 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Anyone interested to see a Maytag wanting a good scrubbing, come visit the A512 in my garage.  :-)

Post# 972217 , Reply# 26   12/7/2017 at 20:10 (348 days old) by Supersurgilator (Indiana)        

I also stopped by a dealer today who was commpletely OUT of the old models and said he won't be getting anymore in :( He was taking a wait list for the new machines coming in January.

Post# 972225 , Reply# 27   12/7/2017 at 20:36 (348 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Energy and Safety Regulations On New Appliances

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Are mainly created by the appliance manufactures in conjunction with Experts that are funded by our elected representatives, and I and the majority of Americans generally support these efforts that have made life much safer, made our clothes and dishes cleaner all while saving the environment and saving consumers untold amounts of money.


Every other advanced country in the world is doing the same thing, so there is nothing wrong with the general approach we are taking in the US.


Hi Ben, your comments are unpatriotic, but as an American you are free to express them as often as you like , however it puts you in the same group that burns American Flags, and I support you as well as other protesters with an automatic monthly donation  to the ACLU.


John L.

Post# 972234 , Reply# 28   12/7/2017 at 21:17 (348 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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Uh oh, now I'm a flag burner.


I guess I've been called worse.


Well I guess for my civics lesson for day is............don't question the goobermint because they have all the right answers to what ails us.

We have a twtter-in-chief along with 435 nimrods that cannot come up with an industrial policy that creates jobs, a health care plan that does not allow the likes of Martin Shiekel to bone us, cannot seem to address the doughboy and his ever growing nuclear arsenal, cannot come up with a workable budget w/o borrowing funds to keep our goobermint going,  can't figure out the opiod epidemic, can't seem to restore basic electrical power in PR, can't figure out illegal immigration, doesn't know how to engage or react to Putin and still spends far too much money and seeks to grow in power and wealth confiscation..................and yet you have the blind faith that these dolts have enough brain power to tell you how much water  you are allowed to use to do your laundry?

Are these the same so called experts that had our panties in a bunch back in the 70's when we were told that the next ice age is just around the corner?  I find it mildly amusing how we've moved from "global warming" to "climate change".   Wonder what catchphrase they'll come up with next?


For shits and giggles, I think da donald should put algore in charge of the EPA.  That would be a real laugher. Al and Donald fighting it out; hell it would beat any reality show.  If nothing else, it might overtake "keeping up with the Kardumians" . With all the stupidity in DC today, I doubt having algore in charge of the EPA will make much of a difference.  Maybe he'd give us 15 minute informercials instead of powerpoints to make us all feel guilty for turning on a light bulb. And by golly, if it is a 100 year old edison bulb, then off the the algore school of ecology for you!

Post# 972239 , Reply# 29   12/7/2017 at 21:47 (348 days old) by Repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

Questioning government regulations = Unpatriotic = Flag Burning ???

And it's all stated as though it's fact !

And to think I originally clicked on this thread to learn about new Speed Queen models.

Post# 972246 , Reply# 30   12/7/2017 at 22:08 (348 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Yeah,,, the wheels flew off this Apple cart going 90mph.

Post# 972248 , Reply# 31   12/7/2017 at 22:17 (348 days old) by Infusor (Usa)        

I'm on here because i love appliances especially washers, and come here to chat with others about my passion, not come here to listen to grown up adaults call eachother names. If it upsets you that much then maybe you should take a break from instead of ruining it for the rest of us and turning this into a hostile environment.

Post# 972260 , Reply# 32   12/7/2017 at 23:15 (348 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
new speed queen models' sounds

I wonder what the new speed queens will sound like. I can't wait to see the operation. What are the controls from left to right?

Post# 972270 , Reply# 33   12/7/2017 at 23:57 (348 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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Actually there are 535 nimrods.  Alabama is on the verge of replacing one of the biggest, most mendacious ones with a super-sized one.


We're all SOL until corporate entities and their shadow groups are forbidden from contributing to any of them individually or to their campaigns -- and there's a push to co-mingle church and state in that regard now too.  If you want to restore the integrity and effectiveness of both houses of congress, you'll have to get behind campaign finance reform or nothing will change.


OK, now back to the gnashing of teeth over a so/so performing (JMO) line of TL washers.  It is safe to say they're better at their jobs than our elected representatives, though.



Post# 972272 , Reply# 34   12/8/2017 at 00:29 (348 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)        
The Most Corrupt

period for our US Congress was the last quarter of the 19th century, when big railroads and big steel, and the rise of big oil, combined to control the legislators. The Republican party has tirelessly worked to enable big money, for the last couple of generations, to have easier access to our politicians, combined with easier control of them through financial support. The worst, for me, was the SC decision to allow PAC's to give all they want to anyone they want as long as aren't 'directly connected' with the politician or party. My ass.

The stupid Christians in this country who are in favor of seeing churches participating in the political process with impunity are forgetting that no one supports their churches more than the Muslims. Those of us who are Christian are notorious, particular the black and Hispanic minorities, for under-supporting Christian churches financially. Not so the Muslims. The fools just haven't given any consideration to that eventuality.

I've made no secret on here that I'm a churchgoing Roman Catholic. However--I absolutely reject any effort to tangle church and state. We are supposed to be a secular nation, several of our most influential founding fathers weren't Christian or were so in only the loosest definition. I have no problem with having churches taxed just like any other institution--that's true separation.

And those who haven't adequately thought through this concept of allowing some type of theocracy here may find it comes back to bite them.

Post# 972316 , Reply# 35   12/8/2017 at 08:35 (347 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I agree John K,

and get what you mean, like when Carnegie sold to JP Morgan for example.

Last year the ceo of General Electric was urging us to vote republican, and yesterday announced a looming job cut of 12,000.
There were corporate tax cuts also in 2004, and they've sheltered profits in Switzerland, etc. for decades. Where were all the jobs?
Bob Lutz of General Motors, etc. lineage was Swiss born. His father a financial mogul there and abroad. Follow the money.

Post# 972319 , Reply# 36   12/8/2017 at 08:42 (347 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Ben, (Washman)

social security did work, and had a surplus until congress heisted it in the 1960's.
When I think about it, all taxes are other peoples money. All of ours, so it is a social concept.
Oh well, only 3 things for certain, taxes, death and trouble.
No flag burners in my family. My grandfather was in WW1, my dad in France during Korea 1953-1955, 4 cousins served in the Navy, and a cousins husband in Viet Nam. He has Parkinson's form agent orange.

Post# 972332 , Reply# 37   12/8/2017 at 09:29 (347 days old) by jcturbot (Central MA)        

Wow...this went off-topic quickly...

Anyone out there got any praise/dislikes of their AFNE9BSP113TW01 Washers? Still happy with their performance? Ideas Speed Queen should incorporate into their new Front Load models?


Post# 972341 , Reply# 38   12/8/2017 at 09:44 (347 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Guys please do me a favor and keep the politics and religion in Dirty Laundry. Thanks everyone!

Post# 972344 , Reply# 39   12/8/2017 at 10:16 (347 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Heater and steam in new models!!!!

Post# 972352 , Reply# 40   12/8/2017 at 10:51 (347 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Wow!! Did you get confirmation on that Bob? If the new model has an internal heater, there will be one in my laundry room as soon as they're available. That's AWESOME!

Whoops. Just scrolled back a couple of posts. My bad. Man, I was all ready to do my happy dance, LOL.

Post# 972366 , Reply# 41   12/8/2017 at 11:49 (347 days old) by Infusor (Usa)        

No heater, but they did say however that the hot water is not dumbed down, when you select hot you get whatever temp your water heater is set at.

Post# 972367 , Reply# 42   12/8/2017 at 12:26 (347 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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Why is Alliance so reluctant to include heaters on FL machines for the home?  It seems they're the only holdout, and based on remarks made in this thread and many others before it, are losing sales due to the lack of a heater. 


I would seriously consider a SQ FL if it had a heater.

Post# 972368 , Reply# 43   12/8/2017 at 12:28 (347 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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that answer sounded too much like their explanation of their TLers.....

select Hot you will get Hot, but select Warm, and you get a 60/40 mix...

but then, the main thing is what your water heater is set at....

mine is set at 180...a 10 or 20 degree drop would not be a big drop...YMMV

Post# 972383 , Reply# 44   12/8/2017 at 13:56 (347 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

With the rest of the industry largely moving to cold-fill-only (or having done so years ago), only using onboard heating, I cannot understand Alliance's no-heater stance. They're losing out on sales as a result. Also, why are they still only doing a 27" line? Granted, I'm in the UK and they don't sell on the domestic market here AFAIK, but the one place I've got to put a 27" machine, I've got no hot water supply... otherwise I'm stuck with 24" under-counter models (and as what's available here on that market is cold-fill-only, I don't actually have hot water hooked up other than to the sink).

Looks like I'll be sticking with Miele for the time being...

Post# 973071 , Reply# 45   12/11/2017 at 17:40 (344 days old) by jcturbot (Central MA)        

Just got word directly from Speed Queen-not good.

"Hi Jeffrey,

Thank you for contacting Alliance Laundry Systems.

The residential front load machines will be discontinued in 2018


Arlyn Kastein

Alliance Laundry Systems"

Post# 973103 , Reply# 46   12/11/2017 at 21:35 (344 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Wow! So they redesigned them a year or two ago just to discontinue them? Stunned.

Post# 973112 , Reply# 47   12/11/2017 at 22:38 (344 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

Probably wasn't worth another redesign.

I mean, for the FLs, the only sales argument was durability.

Compared to other offerings on the market, they were smaller, had no heater, fewer sellable features, and all that for a significantly more expensive overall purchase.

That will have kept sales low over all.
Redesigning to meet new energy requirements while upping market share would have ment that they'd have to create an entire new base machine to allow for competition-capable features (30min standard cycle, more the 4 cuft capacity, heater/sanitize etc.).
And that most likely was not economicly viable.

Post# 973117 , Reply# 48   12/11/2017 at 22:56 (344 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I have to admit I have mixed feelings about SQ's decision to stop selling home FL washers.


For me, here are my thoughts, which--as usual--have as about much depth as dried out mud puddle:


Thought #1: it's not terribly relevant, since the last time I bought a new washer was never.


Thought #2: But if I did buy new, buying something that could last a long time would be tempting.


Thought #3: But while I value durability, I'd really, really like a heater based on what i hear with other's experiences.


Past my laundry room, I also wonder about the wisdom of abandoning FL machines given the argument--which makes sense to me--that the long term home washer winner will be FL designs, and TL machines will sooner or later fade away.



Post# 973121 , Reply# 49   12/11/2017 at 23:04 (344 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)        
This Won't Be The End

They'll be back, I have no doubt. Does anyone on here know how they sold? I know my local dealer only had the top loaders on the floor.

And I agree with others--I'd definitely expect an internal heater at that price, regardless of length of guarantee. And as fat pig Americans continue to get ever fatter, probably when they do come back it'll be with a new FL to reflect our national obesity.

Post# 973127 , Reply# 50   12/11/2017 at 23:45 (344 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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when they do come back it'll be with a new FL to reflect our national obesity.


Larger machines also appeal, I think, to laziness of modern Americans--get the drudgery of laundry done in one load!!!  Or there is the selling point of being able to wash anything no matter how big at home.


I've said this before, but large capacity is not of much interest to me. It might--only might--be of interest for doing bulky comforters and the like. But for daily laundry needs, large capacity is of zero interest. I tend to aggressively sort loads, I live alone, and I'm not interested in having a wardrobe larger than the entire Men's Ready Made Department at Grace Brothers.

Post# 973131 , Reply# 51   12/11/2017 at 23:57 (344 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)        
Lord Kenmore

Amen! I'd say at least half of my loads are medium or small. Because I sort, and I also live alone.

Post# 973133 , Reply# 52   12/11/2017 at 23:59 (344 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
Capacity appeal

I don't think that most Americans actually know which capacity they need.

So they go with the bigger the better.
And quite honestly, I can't fault them. While 3.x cuft is adaquate for most normal sized households, if I could get a 4.x cuft machine for less money, the extra capacity would be nice.
Keep in mind that with modern machines and longer cycle times, running less full loads is actually kind of appealing for generally shorter cycles.
And you can fill less in a bigger machine, but more in a smaller one might cause issues.

But yeah, the heater option would be a must have if they ever come back. I mean, it was there, and it really isn't the most expensive feature.
The programming already has it in place, so the relais will be there as well.

Post# 973202 , Reply# 53   12/12/2017 at 09:46 (343 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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What the rep told us was that they can't keep up at the factories because they keep expanding...

They are Discontinuing the single units in feb of 18 but will keep making stacked units.

They also did mention that they are the least profitable item they make.

Post# 973219 , Reply# 54   12/12/2017 at 11:25 (343 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
New SQ FL Washers Available in 2018 ?

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We really do not know yet, we just got the literature today for the new restyled FL machines and they are making all models in RH and now the odd LH hinged models in 2018.

I can see that they can't be making much money on the FL models, when you consider that you can buy a 50 year washer for only $1500 this would easily make these great washers the cheapest to own AWs ever available for use in the home.

I also predict that SQ may start to push the FL machines in a year or so when they see how much the new TL washers fall in sales.

In any event anybody that wants a great price on a new SQ washer, either FL or TL I would buy it in the next 2 weeks.

John L.

Post# 973225 , Reply# 55   12/12/2017 at 12:33 (343 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Or...if the redesigned top-loader doesn't fare well in the marketplace, will Alliance decide the residential line is more bother than it's worth and begin producing only commercial machines?

Speed Queen's residential line has disappeared before.

Oh, well. My speculation leads nowhere. What will be will be.

Post# 973226 , Reply# 56   12/12/2017 at 12:38 (343 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Is the price going up on their FL and TLs?

Post# 973265 , Reply# 57   12/12/2017 at 16:57 (343 days old) by Repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        
So many different stories....

Who knows what will happen in the end. When I recently had a factory engineer from Ripon here to try and resolve some of the issues that I have with my 10 machines he had a different story. His story was that they need to stop selling the Horizon FL for the commercial setting. Too many laundry owners are buying them instead of the true commercial duty hard mount 20# machine expecting the same results. I guess I'm guilty of that. $2K vs. $4K each. Only time will tell but he's not the first factory person to tell me that the Horizon F/L was built to the same life expectancy as the T/L. About 10,000 cycles. I'm not sure I'll get that. Nice looking machines and they perform well when there is not a problem. The original purpose of these machines was to offer a low cost alternative when replacing T/L machines that also fit in the same foootprint.

Post# 973323 , Reply# 58   12/12/2017 at 21:22 (343 days old) by jcturbot (Central MA)        

Can you post a pic of the new 2018 restyled SQ FL machines?

I want to see what the new control panel looks like. Liking the left side hinge as well.


Post# 973579 , Reply# 59   12/14/2017 at 05:25 (342 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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"Hello, Thank you for your question. In 2018, there will be stricter government regulations we need to comply with for one cycle on the machine. There will be some modifications to our current top load washers beginning with January 2018 production. What will not change is that our design specifications remain at 10,400 cycles giving you a long life, a high degree of reliability backed by a strong warranty, and great Washability. For most cycles, you still get a full tub of water for wash and rinse and the temperature you select for washing is still hot or warm or cold and not blended."

What a lot of palaver.

A reasonable query was made and the response answers nothing clearly.

One would think a company like Alliance Laundry would at least have one person issuing talking points on this matter. Rather it seems every other customer service person or otherwise connected with that company has their own response.

Might as well stop at front gate and ask the security guard or perhaps one of the secretaries at this point.

Post# 973582 , Reply# 60   12/14/2017 at 05:45 (342 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)        
I Guess

they're not impressed by Hyacinth!

The only person I ever heard use the word "palaver" was Fraser on Dad's Army...

Post# 973590 , Reply# 61   12/14/2017 at 07:19 (342 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
SQ FL Washers In 2018

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From our sources they will continue to build and sell them, there could be limited supply at times, but we have had this problem before.


SQ makes much more selling the commercial version of these great washers [ SQ FL washers are truly the most heavy-duty trouble-free automatic washers EVER sold for home use ] so there have been times when we have had to wait to have orders filled.


2017 SQ FL washers already meet the 2018 energy standards.


To Replay # 57, Hi Edward and as usual thanks for your input. These SQ soft mount washers are certainly not as durable as the hard mound models from SQ that cost twice as much. But I would like to see an example of any soft mount FL washer ever built that was better built than these SQ FLers.


When we started selling SQ washers and dryers around ten years ago the SQ reps told us in training that the FL platform and the dryers were tested for around 25,000 loads and the TL washers around 10,500. I know they are now advertising that all their laundry appliances are expected to last around 10,400 loads which really does not make sense. As anyone in the business as long as me knows a top load washer simply will not last as long as a good dryer, and when you look at how the SQ FL washer is built it is easy to see that it should last much longer.


We have over a dozen examples of SQ FL washers that have lasted over 25,000 loads and several that have lasted 35,000 and 45,000 loads in hotel, animal hospitals, health clubs etc, after 5-8 years of 20+ loads per-day we usually sell them a new machine and in EVERY case we refurbished the old washer and have sold it for in home consumer use.


When the Jefferson Hotel near the White House was remolded about a dozen years ago the architect put in one pair of the SS SQs, after around 45,000 loads we replaced these with a pair of SQ FL stack machines, we fixed up the SS pair and sold them to a couple we know around four years ago and they have had no problems at all, this washer is on its orignal main bearings etc.


John L.

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Post# 973675 , Reply# 62   12/14/2017 at 17:21 (341 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Since their reintroduction to residential market

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SQ washing machines have mainly been a commercial washing machine in domestic clothing.

Short cycles with limited choices, vibration issues, and other complaints can be directly traced to putting basically a "laundromat" washer in homes. What you got in exchange for those complaints was a washing machine that could (and likely would) out live anything else on market.

It is worth nothing both Miele and Bosch stopped production of their large washers, and they didn't have the true capacity of a SQ. Whirlpool seems to have managed a blend between capacity, cycles and durability, but a Duet ain't no SQ.

As noted elsewhere in this forum SQ home washers simply lack many of the features you can find on any cheaper Asian import (such as Samsung) of equal capacity. Things like built in heater and a bewildering/vast array of cycles and options. Am not saying this is better, but there you are....

Have said this before the SQ washers at my local are only good for laundry that isn't heavily soiled/stained. Marks that my Miele or AEG easily remove still remain (or traces) after a trip through those SQ washers.

SQ washers at my local complete a "heavy" wash in 30mins. Both the AEG and Miele take about an hour (or more), must to complete wash cycle alone.

Post# 973677 , Reply# 63   12/14/2017 at 17:33 (341 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

I wouldn't entirely gauge how good SQ washers perform off of them in a Laundromat setting, reason being the machines in the laundromat are usually programmed to give the fastest cycle for quickest turnover time. I have used SQ machines in laundromats that were programmed to cycle through as quickly as possible, and have used ones that were programmed to give a prewash and an extra rinse or two. The former was disappointing but the latter worked quite well. 

Post# 973679 , Reply# 64   12/14/2017 at 17:39 (341 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Yes, noticed while nosing around various other sites

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That modern SQ laundromat washers offer a large selection of programming modifications. Our local has none of that (the pre-wash is about two minutes), so again YMMV.

Still one of the reasons never could pull oneself to buy a SQ domestic washer was the historical short cycles and limited options. Coming from a Miele there just wasn't any comparison. Don't know what they are up to now, but IIRC early SQ front loaders had a wash cycle of about ten minutes or so. That is just too short IMHO for anything but lightly soiled wash with no marks. That or unless you intend to use chlorine bleach and or other aggressive chemicals.

Post# 973682 , Reply# 65   12/14/2017 at 18:03 (341 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

The last generation residential front loaders gave a 35 minute wash cycle IIRC. I thought I heard they increased it to a minimum of 40 minutes on the newer ones. With all the wash options given on the newer ones I think total cycle time can be increased to a bit over an hour. 

Post# 973690 , Reply# 66   12/14/2017 at 18:59 (341 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Yes Current Generation SQ FL Washers

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Have a plenty long wash, NO VIBRATION issues, and you can select up to five rinses.


Furthermore they are the ONLY FL washers I know of for home use where the main control board has dip switch settings on it that allow the water level to be increased up to an inch and 1/2 in 1/2" increments and fill with all hot water if selected.


John L.

Post# 973697 , Reply# 67   12/14/2017 at 20:23 (341 days old) by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi John, Miele’s will let you raise wash and rinse levels via the service menu. You can raise the wash level up to the edge of the door boot and the rinse level 1/3 of the way up the door.

The hot and cold fill Miele’s will fill to the selected temp, of its above 60c it’ll be all hot fill and then boost to maintain it.

Post# 973705 , Reply# 68   12/14/2017 at 21:38 (341 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        

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Hi Nathan, that's good information, I knew that Mieles could be reprogrammed also and the heater element is a good feature.


I would probably still buy a SQ FL washer over the Miele for its larger capacity, better durability and much easier to service design, to say nothing of a lower price and 5 year full warranty.

Post# 973707 , Reply# 69   12/14/2017 at 22:42 (341 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

Hmm, I'd love a FL that uses water. More reason for me to get a SQ FLer! Having it do full hot is also a requirement of mine.

Post# 973728 , Reply# 70   12/15/2017 at 05:32 (341 days old) by johnrk (BP TX)        
I'd Still Like

to own one of those oval-window Westinghouse machines. They really used water and are such fun to watch!

Post# 973864 , Reply# 71   12/15/2017 at 18:31 (340 days old) by Imperial70 (******)        

Commercial Laundry is a shrinking market. As new apartments go up they are opting for in-unit laundry vs Laundry rooms. That also means reduction in laundromats.

Post# 973907 , Reply# 72   12/15/2017 at 23:52 (340 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

"Commercial Laundry is a shrinking market."

However, there are still holiday parks, motels, hostels and other places where people may want to access laundry equipment. Here in inner Sydney, lots of people don't have laundry facilities in their units. Though, many former self-service laundromats are now offering bag washes for those people who don't want to do their own laundry.

Then there is the developing world. Places like China, India, where many people live in high density housing with few amenities, such places would be ideal for laundromats.

Post# 973909 , Reply# 73   12/16/2017 at 00:01 (340 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

When I was in Taiwan, the hotel I stayed at had SQ machines. Flew halfway around the world only to do laundry in the same machine I use at home, built only two states away from me.

Post# 974709 , Reply# 74   12/20/2017 at 06:21 (336 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
"Commercial Laundry is a shrinking market"

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Much would depend upon many factors including what you are defining as "commercial laundries".

Yes, in many areas of the country laundromats are closing. But that often has much to do with rising fixed costs (rents, wages, utilities, taxes, etc...)versus demand/customer base.

Here in NYC nearly all laundromats do drop-off and that sector of business is growing. A good laundromat owner with business smarts can make his (or her) money on a good pick-up and delivery scheme. Even here in NYC with all these new apartments either installing en suite washers and dryers, and or new laundry areas, many still prefer the old ways; to send things out.

Happily we live in the Internet/App world which is revolutionizing even pick-up and delivery.

What is true about these app services is they aren't much different than how many corner laundries in NYC and other urban areas have operated for decades. That is work is contracted out to a wholesale laundry. This can be anyone from a large enterprise to a laundromat.

On the large industrial commercial end what you are mostly seeing is consolidation as larger laundries grow more so and or push smaller ones out of business.

Advances in tunnel/batch and automated laundry equipment has revolutionized the business.

Hotels, motels, hospitals, restaurants, gyms, the lot all still produce tons of laundry per day, and many no longer have in house laundries. So it has to go somewhere.

Post# 974834 , Reply# 75   12/21/2017 at 05:52 (335 days old) by Imperial70 (******)        

I should have said Laundromats instead of commercial laundry. I had read an article (because i was researching opening one) about laundromats not being a sure thing they once were because of rising operating costs and shrinking markets (because old apartments are being replaced with modern building which offer in unit laundry to attract an upscale crowd).

Post# 974838 , Reply# 76   12/21/2017 at 06:00 (335 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Here they are, the new frontloaders for 2018:

Post# 974840 , Reply# 77   12/21/2017 at 06:20 (335 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
If one were going down that route

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Would look closely into doing service wash for residential and or commercial customers. Will largely agree self service alone laundromats are dying for reasons previously mentioned.

The attendant at our local says the self service portion is not a large source of money for owner. However the service washing (drop off and either collect or delivery) is where he makes his money.

Post# 974844 , Reply# 78   12/21/2017 at 07:24 (335 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Imagine That...

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Looks like the FL machines aren't being discontinued after all.

Other than the door reversal, I see no change to programming/cycles or options.


Post# 974966 , Reply# 79   12/22/2017 at 05:20 (334 days old) by jcturbot (Central MA)        


I talked to Speed Queen as well as two dealers and it sounds like these new models will be in production till February 2018 after which time they will cease production of Consumer Front loaders.

They are available on a special order from the factory only.

I inquired about the left hand hinge model as was told that even though the picture was up they are not available. Not sure if that means for ordering right now or anytime in the future.


Post# 974972 , Reply# 80   12/22/2017 at 06:54 (334 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Well, isn't it strange that they remodel the frontloaders just to put them only for one month on the market?

Post# 974976 , Reply# 81   12/22/2017 at 07:30 (334 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Speed Queen Front Load Washers

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Our distributor said they are going to keep ordering them and stock them for dealers in our area.


I predict that SQ might rethink pushing the FL washers when they see the big sales hit they will see with the new TL line. I have just completed a lot of last minute sales of the current top load washers, after the new ones come out we will be selling a lot of the 5 year warranted MT TL washers in 2018.


John L.

Post# 975019 , Reply# 82   12/22/2017 at 14:33 (333 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
This from my distributor:

“Attached to this email is the 2018 pricing and updated SPIFF program for Speed Queen laundry. As you will notice from the price sheet, front load laundry is not being offered by Speed Queen for the 2018 calendar year, and you must floor all three top load pairs and one stack unit to be eligible for SPIFFs.”

Maybe they are retooling their line?

Post# 975099 , Reply# 83   12/23/2017 at 07:06 (333 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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Does that mean the fl machines are not part of the spiff program? That's how I read it.


Post# 975100 , Reply# 84   12/23/2017 at 07:20 (333 days old) by Imperial70 (******)        
I had to google


Post# 975384 , Reply# 85   12/24/2017 at 23:19 (331 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver)        

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I'm still resentful about losing the hot, or even warm rinse option! I guess that modern detergents will rinse away in cold water though, but sometimes I still feel something needs a warm rinse...

Post# 975403 , Reply# 86   12/25/2017 at 05:41 (331 days old) by Imperial70 (******)        
Warm Rinse

I miss the warm rinse because in the winter up here in the northeast the water is toooo cooooooold.

Post# 975412 , Reply# 87   12/25/2017 at 06:55 (331 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)        

That's an excellent point Paul. Near freezing water is too cold to rinse effectively.

Post# 975590 , Reply# 88   12/26/2017 at 13:22 (329 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Internal heater

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or lack thereof is the reason I didn't buy a SQ FL in 2009.
I looked at them and they had one model, a rear control machine, that had an internal heater. When I went back to order, it was No Longer Available.

This is the reason I chose a Maytag/Whirlpool machine. I know I won't get 50 years of usage out of it, but I have a Sanitize cycle and Steam options.

Post# 975596 , Reply# 89   12/26/2017 at 14:10 (329 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Harley, you've repeated essentially what I've said about why I wouldn't have a SQ front loader.  The past week with family and pets brought home again exactly why I have the heater, steam , Sanitize, and Allergen capabilities my wonderful washer provides. 

Post# 976415 , Reply# 90   1/1/2018 at 09:21 (323 days old) by iej (Ireland)        
European regs vs Us regs

Most European machines I have used seem to have a tested cottons cycle they use to meet the water consumption requirements and then, if you want, you can just pick a different cycle or select options like Water Plus on Miele.

They inform you of your options but you’re not usually stuck with water miser cycles if you don’t want them.

Usually selecting a higher speed cycle / time saver option will decrease the efficiency by increasing water levels and reducing cycle time. The same applies on a lot of dishwashers.

Post# 976447 , Reply# 91   1/1/2018 at 13:03 (323 days old) by jerrod6 (United States of America)        

Is that how washer and dishwasher energy regulations it work in the USA?

Post# 976651 , Reply# 92   1/2/2018 at 22:01 (322 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

Found this.

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Post# 976668 , Reply# 93   1/2/2018 at 23:37 (322 days old) by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Definite improvement over our SQ FL machine whose control panel is of the earlier knobs version.

Nevertheless I see the extra rinse switch and start button remain, ugh!
On a machine like this give me something metal with a satisfying "click" or substantive feel.
Those above on the new style black panel machine, like mine, are chinsy plastic that seems ready to fail at any moment. Not saying they will, it's that they feel that way. All to save a matter of pennies...I shack my head at such false economy cost cutting.

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Post# 976697 , Reply# 94   1/3/2018 at 07:43 (321 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Mechanical Extra Rinse & Start Switch

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What a terrible idea to use a real switch instead of a flashy membrane touch pad that will crack, stick, short or otherwise fail is less than ten years and you will have to replace the entire panel at a cost of over $150 [ which will be NLA in less than 15 years ] instead of snapping in a new $11 switch.


Most everyone here keeps saying bring back a well built repairable machine and when they do people still complain, LOL


John L.

Post# 976704 , Reply# 95   1/3/2018 at 08:08 (321 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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@John, can the water level still be raised on the 2018 front loads?

Post# 976714 , Reply# 96   1/3/2018 at 09:41 (321 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        

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As far as I know, I have not seen any changes on the 2018 models other than the updated styling.

Post# 976721 , Reply# 97   1/3/2018 at 10:26 (321 days old) by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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"Give me something metal" I wrote, so, wrong again John. Your on quite a roll with being wrong about what I write.
Stick with repair advice on old machines, you're good with that. With me you're just embarrassing yourself.

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Post# 976724 , Reply# 98   1/3/2018 at 11:37 (321 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        

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Hi Robert, The panels on both the current and new style machines are metal, Switches are never made out of metal entirely as they would ground out and not be functional, you should stick to something you understand instead of silly emotional criticisms.


John L.

Post# 976732 , Reply# 99   1/3/2018 at 12:54 (321 days old) by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Again, despite being an adult, you willfully choose to misrepresent my fairly innocuous statement regarding my personal preference for metal switches rather than the plastic, like a child might.
It's a common internet phenomena, so much so it has long been recognized and categorized:

The persistent debate troll-
This type of troll loves a good argument...
They believe they're right, and everyone else is wrong. You'll often also find them leaving long threads or arguments with other commenters in community comment sections, and they're always determined to have the last word – continuing to comment until that other user gives up.

Extrapolating my statement to "entirely metal" is a silly and obvious tactic so you can then "prove you are right".
I have watched and let you carry on because you are liked here for your historic knowledge of appliances and often helpful advice on repairs. And who knows, perhaps an all around good fellow when encountered in person. Be that as it may, whether someone prefers cooking with gas or the satisfying snap of a metal toggle switch, it is just that, a preference.

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Post# 976764 , Reply# 100   1/3/2018 at 18:24 (321 days old) by washman (Butler, PA)        

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I like metal. As in heavy.

Post# 977750 , Reply# 101   1/10/2018 at 10:16 (314 days old) by jcturbot (Central MA)        

Am I missing it or did Speed Queen take down their left-hand hinge Washers model numbers off their page?


Post# 977758 , Reply# 102   1/10/2018 at 12:19 (314 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
Umm guys

You might want to check with your distributors. Speed queen suspended their front load laundry production. They are not making them at this time, with no eta on when they will resume production.

Post# 977761 , Reply# 103   1/10/2018 at 13:32 (314 days old) by Maytag85 (SoCal )        

This could be the beginning of the end of Speed Queen. I watched your review of the 2018 Speed Queen washer, and I don't a lot of people are going to buy Speed Queen anymore since they no longer offer a traditional top load washer.

Post# 977763 , Reply# 104   1/10/2018 at 13:48 (314 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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There is a surplus of machines in their warehouse affording them the ability to suspend production for a while.


Post# 977822 , Reply# 105   1/10/2018 at 21:39 (314 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
If am being honest, can see why SQ would drop front loaders

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For domestic USA market, if that is indeed going to happen.

Compare a SQ front loader say with the new Miele W1 washers soon to arrive in USA. Capacity is about the same as build quality, but the Miele offers vastly more for the money including water heating ability.

Yes, am aware that having a huge range of cycle offerings isn't everything. However to a large segment of the appliance buying public such things do seem to matter. Especially when paying well north of one grand and even close to two thousand for a washing machine.

Post# 977884 , Reply# 106   1/11/2018 at 10:34 (313 days old) by RevvinKevin (So. Cal.)        
I just called Speed Queen customer service and asked...

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I haven't looked at this thread in almost a month, but was thinking about it because I was chatting with a friend yesterday about washing machines and he asked about Speed Queen. 


I JUST called the 800 number on Speed Queens website and asked if their front load models are being discontinued.   She said: "We will be selling the front load models through the first quarter of 2018, after that sales are being discontinued in the US.  HOWEVER, we are still building and selling the them world wide so parts and service will still be available if you buy one."  


I then asked why and she said because they are not selling enough units (read: not making enough money) on them.



Post# 977891 , Reply# 107   1/11/2018 at 11:52 (313 days old) by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Not surprised.
Given how many times I had them over on warranty work and the number of pricey parts needing to be replaced I am fairly sure they lost a decent sum of money on my machine.
The shift in warranties offered tells me i wasn't alone.

Post# 977895 , Reply# 108   1/11/2018 at 12:37 (313 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

For $1500 you can buy 2 LG front loaders with waaaaaaay more options, better performance, and the 2 of them will outlast the one speed queen.

Post# 977897 , Reply# 109   1/11/2018 at 13:33 (313 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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SQ has been questioned on their web site as to FL availability into 2018.  The posted answer is that freestanding frontloaders are available (in production?) through the end of March and are otherwise discontinued because manufacturing facilities are being modified to accommodate large commercial contracts.  Stacked/unitary washer/dryer sets are the only frontload choice offered for home consumers after March.

Post# 977932 , Reply# 110   1/11/2018 at 21:29 (313 days old) by Repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

I agree. I can promise you that they have lost money on the 10 that I have (coin op). They even had to send factory people from Ripon one month after install just to get them all to spin. I had customers waiting an hour and a half to get their clothes back because they could not balance the load. Customers do like them now that they work.

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