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Post# 973593   12/14/2017 at 07:33 (283 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Can anyone tell me more about this machine? Is it hard-mounted? Pump drainable? Cost? Looks like a nice machine for resi :) And anyone have the service manual to this btw?

Post# 973608 , Reply# 1   12/14/2017 at 08:56 (283 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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I would guess this machine is a hard mount.

Right before the last spin while the machine is closing in on the last few seconds of the rinse cycle, you can hear water draining for about 6 seconds.(2:25) I also noticed that thick black pipe running from the back of the machine. so I would say it is a gravity drain.

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Post# 973614 , Reply# 2   12/14/2017 at 09:43 (283 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Neat- much thanks :)

Post# 973623 , Reply# 3   12/14/2017 at 10:08 (283 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

A friend lives in a ritzy complex in NW DC. Each floor has two laundry rooms with two SQ toploaders and one FL. She said the TLs are $1.50 per load and the FL is $3.00 a load, but it looked like it is like the home machine, a soft mount. It has the slanted control panel like the new domestic FL machines.

Post# 973626 , Reply# 4   12/14/2017 at 10:27 (283 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

That machine in the first video is a typical hard mount washer/extractor. Those normally come with a gravity drain and you can see the drain coming out of the back on the right there. I believe there is a pump option for them too.

If I had my way, and enough money, I'd skip all the residential washer non sense and just get one of those. I could program the cycles how I wanted, they use plenty of water, they work fast, and it would last me years.

Post# 973629 , Reply# 5   12/14/2017 at 10:42 (283 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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^^^ Something I have always fantasized about. Its the speed and versatility which would actually make me convert to front load. People think I am anti front load. I am not, just the fact most do not match up to these.

Question- how does one even go about mounting these in resi? You need to drill the concrete, right?

Post# 973671 , Reply# 6   12/14/2017 at 16:55 (282 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

The easiest placement of a washer/extractor in a residential setting would be in the laundry room of a slab home, or in the basement. Laundromats often have them up on platforms, I believe usually of reinforced concrete. My local laundromat has them on some kind of steel platform, but I can't go by that as those were never installed properly to begin with. 

I'm not sure if one could come up with a way to mount one on the main level of a home, at the very least it would need to be mounted to a concrete pad and the floor may need to be reinforced somehow. On top of that the whole home would shake. 


Probably the easiest thing would be to get a residential SQ FLer or it's commercial counterpart, the Horizon. The washer/extractors are also very expensive which would make it cost prohibitive to all but the most determined to have one in their home. 

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Post# 973674 , Reply# 7   12/14/2017 at 17:12 (282 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
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Do not have suspension systems, thus must be bolted into a few feet of concrete and or another firm and stable surface. Simply put the forces generated during extraction are sent down through machine to flooring and dissipated through structure.

Given the above you are *NOT* going to be putting even a small 20lb hard mount washing machine on a wood floor:

Took a heavy old coverlet to our local last week rather than risk even using the Maytag wringer, as it certainly wasn't going into either the Miele or AEG. During final high speed spin in SQ you could feel vibrations from machine coming through floor several feet away. This with the thing bolted into a concrete platform several feet thick.

Ironically when you start getting into larger to uber sized washer-extractors soft mount machines (those with suspension systems) are preferred. Can you imagine the force generated by a washer rated for 200, 300 or more pounds? It could literally shake a building...

Of course as many members already know, early Bendix domestic washing machines required bolting down.

Don't try this at home children,*LOL*

Beauty of a hard mount washer with a drain valve (no pump) is that the things will spin and drain even a very sudsy wash with ease. In parts of Asia automatic washing machines are sold without pumps (drain valve). You just either run the hose off the back porch, a balcony or into a floor drain.

Post# 975731 , Reply# 8   12/27/2017 at 10:50 (270 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

A hard-mount machine is a bad idea, your neighbours will hate you, and they really don't wash or rinse that well. The 27lb wash load - equating to 12.25kg - is nothing a mid-range soft-mount Miele Professional machine won't handle. The Miele will also wash, rinse and particularly spin a lot better. Now, I haven't been able to find specs for the SC27, it was discontinued years ago, but the SC25 (itself long discontinued) has a drum diameter of 106 litres and spins at a heady 540rpm, giving a G-factor of 87. The still-in-production SC30 has a 118-litre drum and, in its updated form, spins at 766rpm (equating to a G-force of 200). The old SC30 spun at a mere 480rpm, giving a G-force of 78. The old Miele Professional WS5101 has a 100-litre drum and spins at 1150rpm, giving a G-force of 436 - that's an awful lot more water extracted, and less time and energy spent drying. The current PW811 has a 110-litre drum and also spins at 1150rpm, giving 460g. Some of the bigger machines spin even better - the WS5240/PW6241 has a 240-litre drum and spins at 1100rpm, giving a G-force of 542, residual moisture as low as 43% after a hot rinse.

Laundress is also correct in stating that the real monsters are soft-mount. Girbau's 1100-litre HS-6110 (rated for 122kg, or 269lb, dry laundry) is one such (and it spins at 725rpm, equating to 386g). Primus's FS1200 (a.k.a. Unimac UYN275), with an 1180-litre drum, is another.

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