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Thread Number: 73715
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Why its better not to have a transmission |
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Post# 973600 12/14/2017 at 08:37 (2,322 days old) by chetlaham  (United States) |
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While I personally believe Speed Queen should have used a mod shifter instead of an agitub, I thought I would make a case about why its better not to have a transmission in a washer. Here is a perfect example:
1. Overloading and misuse in a commercial (or any other) setting can wear down a gear case very fast. 2. In another thread it was asked why couldn't the transmission stayed in the for the 2018 normal eco. From the comments it sounds like a low water level killed this one from to much drag. 3. When the transmission does go bust, its the last thing you want to change out. Since its so difficult its often a good idea to change the tub seal and bearing as well if the machine is older, another nightmare all on to itself. All in all there is not much that can go wrong with a steel shaft. | ||
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Post# 973640 , Reply# 2 12/14/2017 at 11:56 (2,322 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 973642 , Reply# 3 12/14/2017 at 12:13 (2,322 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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 While I'm not pleased with the performance of the 2018 design, it makes perfect sense for laundromats, where people tend to cram too much into a machine. Even with a traditional TL, cleaning ability is compromised when the load is too dense, but at least with the agitub design the owner of the laundromat wouldn't be dealing with the situation pictured above. | ||
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Post# 973646 , Reply# 4 12/14/2017 at 12:27 (2,322 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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| Post# 973648 , Reply# 5 12/14/2017 at 12:28 (2,322 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 973650 , Reply# 6 12/14/2017 at 13:13 (2,322 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Depends on the motor. The motors used in transmission top loads are actually quite inefficient, second to shaded pole motors; while the motors used in none transmission models are 3 phase VFDs. 3 phase motors are superior just by themselves, let alone a VFD which can provide just the right frequency and voltage for the speed and torque needed. Best example is a VFD front load washer at the end of a cycle- the motor is literally only a few degrees above room temperature where as a traditional split phase motor is hot enough to burn fingers if touched long enough.
Yes reversing that tub full of water takes energy, but driving gears is not far behind. | ||
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Post# 973651 , Reply# 7 12/14/2017 at 13:21 (2,322 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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"Reversing a motor back and forth uses more electricity than having a motor that spins in one continuous direction."
A transmission has considerable frictional losses inside it that would more then offset any energy used reversing a motor. Besides the VAST majority of the energy used by a washer is heating the water. If you want to bring up energy savings, it is time to forget about toploaders... | ||
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Post# 973654 , Reply# 9 12/14/2017 at 14:06 (2,321 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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too much work
You have no clue lol. {I mean this in a nice, joking way :) } SQ toploaders have to be by far the most labor intensive washers ever built. Its just not worth the work unless you have many hours and lots of pay.
They are right though- but for 10 years I disagree- the other parts should still be good.You should be able to get another 10 years easy. Now if the machine was 25 years old then I would say something else will probably give right after the transmission. BTW, You think that video was intensive? Lulz! Check out the seal and bearing part starting at 4:20: Unless there are no good alternative washers, when my Queen blows its transmission it will sadly be going to the scrap yard. For starters I don't even have the tools. | ||
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Post# 973655 , Reply# 10 12/14/2017 at 14:07 (2,321 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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| Post# 973660 , Reply# 11 12/14/2017 at 14:43 (2,321 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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I like gears. | ||
| Post# 973686 , Reply# 12 12/14/2017 at 18:37 (2,321 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Post# 973688 , Reply# 13 12/14/2017 at 18:53 (2,321 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Replacing Main Seal and Bearings and Transmissions In SQ TL  I have long said that few of the current SQs will ever get fixed in the field [ do keep in mind that GE TL washers since 1995 are just as difficult to fix, and they break down far faster than these SQs ].
I have also long said if anyone out there wants a traditional TL washer, get a good 1985-around 2005 WP built DD washer, these machines are far better performers than any MT or SQ EVER built and are easy to repair, you can get a used WP built DD washer and replace the transmission, clutch, motor, water pump, timer and inlet valve and still not spend as much as you would on a new SQ TL washer.
John L. | ||
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Post# 973775 , Reply# 15 12/15/2017 at 11:00 (2,321 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 973781 , Reply# 16 12/15/2017 at 11:23 (2,321 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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As Glenn mentioned in reply #15
These new WP built VMW washers are nothing like the old BD and DD machines.
Some of the new VMW washers actually do use the same agitator, but since there is no tub break to hold the wash basket still during agitation the wash action is much more anemic and you can't wash nearly as large a load as in the older design washers. If you want a real washing machine either get a vintage WP machine or a Calypso or a new FL washer. John L. | ||
| Post# 973789 , Reply# 17 12/15/2017 at 12:21 (2,321 days old) by wishwash (Indiana) | ||
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I'm not 100% sure but my VMW's tub seems much larger than the direct drive ones. I find agitation is not much different than the old Lady Kenmores, albeit slower. It can definitely handle as much if not more than a direct drive without being overloaded. | ||
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Post# 973861 , Reply# 18 12/15/2017 at 18:26 (2,320 days old) by Imperial70 (MA USA) |
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Everyone is saying they don't like the wash action. I don't believe what I'm seeing. Not calling anyone a liar, but I think you have to try it for yourself. Don't be quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater. | ||
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Post# 974513 , Reply# 20 12/18/2017 at 18:46 (2,317 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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TL SQs Are NOT Rebadged Amanas The Amana washers were developed BY SQ and built by SQ till Goodman then Maytag got the name, and yes under Goodman and MT there were were some durability issues that the currant TL SQs never experienced over the last 10 years +.
Yes turn over would have been better with a dual-action agitator and they should have had one.
There very few performance or durability complaints on SQ TL washers built over the last 10+ years compared to ANY other brand of AW for home use.
John L. | ||
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Post# 974523 , Reply# 21 12/18/2017 at 19:56 (2,317 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland ) |
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Speed queen tub seal/ trans swap Guys, I can do a speed queen tub seal in 45 minutes start to finish. Trans swap adds another 10 minutes tops. | ||
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Post# 974543 , Reply# 22 12/18/2017 at 23:24 (2,317 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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