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KitchenAid Superba KDS-17A dishwasher - cycle does not advance
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Post# 977325   1/7/2018 at 14:12 (287 days old) by arcfire (Northfield, MN)        

I have a KitchenAid Superba by Hobart KDS-17A dishwasher that was manufactured in 1975/76 (timer date stamp is Dec. 1975) and has worked well since I moved in to my house some 8 years ago.
But the last time I ran it, the wash cycle would not advance--it filled, then started washing, but never stopped - just kept washing and washing, never drained.
To get it to drain, I had to push "cancel."
I tried running another wash cycle, and this time it filled for longer than usual, I hit "cancel" to drain when it was clearly fuller than usual. (I didn't want to find out if it would overflow.)

So it seems that on the main wash cycle, at least, the timer does not advance from one part of the wash cycle to the next.

However, if I push "cancel" it does advance rapidly through all the settings; I can hear the timer clicking forward and the light advances rapidly from prewash to wash, to rinse, etc.

Does this mean my timer is shot? I am hoping to find a way to repair this amazing machine. I figure a machine that has run for 40+ years will probably keep running longer than anything I could buy new today, if I can find a way to fix it!

Any suggestions would be welcome.


Post# 977333 , Reply# 1   1/7/2018 at 15:20 (287 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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There are two motors on the timer.  One rapid-advances it to the starting point of the selected cycle, quickly to Off at the end of Rinse/Hold, or to the final drain for Cancel.  The other advances it at normal speed through the cycle sequence, and is what's not working.

I don't have direct experience working on KA, so can't say if the bad motor can be replaced separately or the entire timer must be changed.  I'm sure one of the KA experts will come along with more specific details.

Post# 977347 , Reply# 2   1/7/2018 at 17:56 (286 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
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You likley have a bad timer motor for the normal advance speed, these motors can be replaced separately if you can find a motor usually from another timer.


Kitchenaid used two different suppliers for the the timer on KDS-17 DWs, you either have a Singer or Mallory timer and you need the correct timer motor while if replacing the complete timer they are interchangeable.


The KDS-17 DWs were very popular machines in their day and you should not have too much trouble finding a replacement complete timer or good new or used motor, if you can't find just the timer motor get in touch and I probably have one.


John L.

Post# 977383 , Reply# 3   1/7/2018 at 20:38 (286 days old) by arcfire (Northfield, MN)        

It's a Singer timer. Where might I find a new timer or motor? A search on ebay didn't turn one up. I don't have any experience tracking down parts for vintage machines.

John, thanks for mentioning you might have a motor. I will follow up with you if I can't find one.


Post# 977385 , Reply# 4   1/7/2018 at 20:53 (286 days old) by Spacedogb (Lafayette, LA)        

There is one on eBay right now

Post# 977388 , Reply# 5   1/7/2018 at 21:08 (286 days old) by RP2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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Can you provide a link to the ebay timer?  I tried to locate it and burned out on sifting through the listings.

Post# 977438 , Reply# 6   1/8/2018 at 07:56 (286 days old) by arcfire (Northfield, MN)        

Maybe I am not searching for the right thing.

Is it just "kitchenaid KDS-17 timer" that it would be called on ebay? Or is there a part number I need?

Thank you,

Post# 977476 , Reply# 7   1/8/2018 at 14:28 (286 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        
Timer for KDS-17A

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4161474 or D-115675.

Check out this one.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO chachp's LINK on eBay

Post# 977487 , Reply# 8   1/8/2018 at 15:34 (286 days old) by RP2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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The ad in that link is for an entire rapid advance timer assembly, not just the regular timer motor. 


What we need is the part number for the Singer timer motor, or a good search term for one.


That having been stated, the entire timer might not be a bad thing to consider.   It's worth making an offer for it when you consider how much a flimsy brand new dishwasher would set you back.

Post# 977490 , Reply# 9   1/8/2018 at 16:12 (285 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        
KDS-17A Timers

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I've replaced the timer in both of my 17s with this one and it's a simple plug and play operation.  I've never done just the motor.  If it were me I'd go with the whole new timer given other components of the timers can wear out.


I think either would work but I don't have a number for just the timer motor.

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