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Post# 978233   1/14/2018 at 01:04 (302 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

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As many of you who were watching the 2018 roll-out with much anticipation know, one of the first snippets of wash action we got to view was their comparison ad. This was found on the Alliance Laundry Systems Indonesian Facebook page by a member here. When it was first posted, some members were having trouble accessing it and thus I uploaded it to YouTube as a public service, it was not monetized. I didn't think to much about copyright with regard to this, as it was an advertisement and I would be giving them free publicity.

Here I am about a month later, and some genius at Alliance filed a copyright claim against me. I don't contest the legality, it is their ad, not mine. I just fail to understand why they would go through the effort to file a claim against something that actually benefits them. They haven't uploaded it to their page, so I am in no way taking their views away.

I made a bit of a rant video explaining what happened and why the video was gone for my channel.

Sorry if I have put this in the wrong forum, I spent at least 10 minutes debating between the Deluxe and Super options.

PS: If you want to feel like pulling your hair out, in my video description is YT's copyright school video. It's terrible!

Post# 978243 , Reply# 1   1/14/2018 at 05:40 (302 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Honestly, at this point my respect for Alliance is up for debate. I think pushing copyright against you is unfair and over the top. Especially considering that you are a fellow fan having appreciation for all that they do. But considering their effort, to me it would seem like they really want to control the information being released on their new machine which does not surprise me in the least considering they have to put lipstick on a pig.

BTW- IMO I think this is the right place. And no, not a rant either. There is nothing wrong with sharing a bad customer experience on a forum which is built on honest opinion and personal experience.

Post# 978273 , Reply# 2   1/14/2018 at 09:52 (302 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

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Yes, with all the bad and some ugly comments about the new machines as well as the many dislikes, I can see why they might have wanted to get rid of the video ASAP. I wonder what would have happened if I had locked down the comments.

Post# 978275 , Reply# 3   1/14/2018 at 10:39 (302 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Probably the same thing- I personally wouldn't worry about it as its beyond your control regardless. For all we know they might be doing this deliberately with the intention to drive a wedge in the community. They know we are the ones who might state the obvious before people take the bait.

Post# 978276 , Reply# 4   1/14/2018 at 11:14 (302 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

They seem to be reacting like they did in fact read these very forums and are acting out of defense to hide the truth about their shiny turd that they wanna con people into buying using their past reputation and slick marketing speak. They didn't have any fancy marketing speak on their site before this new machine. I really do hope it all blows up in their face.

Post# 978279 , Reply# 5   1/14/2018 at 12:50 (302 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Well, they've lost me forever

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This is exactly the sort of behaviour which confirms my suspicions of their bad product.

Post# 978282 , Reply# 6   1/14/2018 at 12:58 (302 days old) by kenmore_elite (Cal)        

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Corporate tyranny and the power of evil Lawyers have taken us to this place.

Post# 978283 , Reply# 7   1/14/2018 at 13:00 (302 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        
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They benefited tremendously from free advertising on social media but it works both ways.


They should have had their own videos documenting their claims of improved cleaning ready-to-go to counter these arguments. 


I still suspect this design was driven by marketing.  As in the engineers were told it has to look like the old design so most people wouldn't even realize it was different on the sales floor.

Post# 978285 , Reply# 8   1/14/2018 at 13:08 (302 days old) by Maytag85 (SoCal )        

I've said this a couple of times already, but this could be the beginning of the end of Speed Queen. They clearly don't care about their costumers.

2018 is not going to be a good year for Speed Queen.

Post# 978290 , Reply# 9   1/14/2018 at 13:40 (302 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

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That sounds like the design logic at Scott & Fetzer's Kirby division, they are always told to make sure the new model looks like a Kirby. As such, almost nothing but the trim color has been updated since 1990. There have only been 3 major designs since the 1930s, the 500 series that lasted from the model C until the late 1960s with the Dual Sanitronic 80, the Classic 1CR through the Legend II in 1989 then the Generation series until today. Of all of them the G series has seen the least running updates through the model run.

Post# 978330 , Reply# 10   1/14/2018 at 17:05 (302 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
Shame on speed queen!

Shame on Speed Queen! I agree with Maytag85! Their washers will make your denims and heavy clothes dirty! This is so stupid! Shame on you Speed Queen!

Post# 978358 , Reply# 11   1/14/2018 at 20:30 (301 days old) by dylanmitchell (San Diego, CA)        

Lots of comments threads about the end of Speed Queen in 2018 and 2018 being a bad year for SQ. SQ name will probably continue to sell washers for a bit even if they're junk and downturn may take a few years. SQ could also pull out of residential or just build junk that's slightly better than other junk out there.

Washing machines wear out and most poeple will buy new washers from a big box or appliance store when there's breaks. DOE standards may mean they don't perform well but few people will chase down used machines or hack machinces to them work better.

And new SQ machines may turn out to be decent. They will have to be a few notches above a Maytag commercial style residential or other if they're going to keep price premium.

For commercial other washers will also have to meet DOE standards and there are very few laundramat/ multi-family/ etc. TL washers being bought (and they would cost more per load since energy use is higher).

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Post# 978359 , Reply# 12   1/14/2018 at 20:36 (301 days old) by Maytag85 (SoCal )        

Sales will be terrible for Speed Queen this year since they decided to stop offering traditional top load washers. 2018 May not be a good year for the new washer market, or anything new this year since the build quality has gotten out of hand, and the quality is not improving.

The new 2018 speed queen washers use just as much water as the 2017 models,

I guess the only way to get clothes clean in the new 2018 Speed Queen washers is to wash a medium load on a large water level, and even then clothes won't get clean.

Lorian Furniture and Appliance did a review on YouTube, and he did not have many good things to say about him the new 2018 Speed Queen washers.

Speed Queen's new washer costs more than the 2017 models, and it doesn't clean as well, and people may buy the new 2018 Speed Queen washer, and then they might return their new Speed Queen washer and ask for something else.

This is clearly cost cutting, and cutting corners to make more money, and rip people off.

Lorain Furniture and Appliance did a full cycle video of the new 2018 Speed Queen washer full of water with two rags, and they didn't move around all that much. If those rags didn't move around all that much, that is how bad the new 2018 Speed Queen washers are going to be.

Certain fabrics will just float on top of the water, and they won't even get cleaned.

Lorain Furniture and Appliance also said the new 2018 Speed Queen put some soap (detergent) stains on some of the clothes.

The new 2018 Speed Queen washers will definitely be a flop.

Post# 978371 , Reply# 13   1/14/2018 at 21:53 (301 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I guess that's why SQ put a lid lock on these new unsuspecting customers can't see what's not going on inside.

Post# 978372 , Reply# 14   1/14/2018 at 22:17 (301 days old) by Maytag85 (SoCal )        

They put a lid lock so the customers won't see what's going on inside the washer, but customers will definitely know if the washer is not cleaning well at all.

Post# 978375 , Reply# 15   1/14/2018 at 22:56 (301 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
Downturn will take a few years...

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I disagree, I think SQ dealers who also sell the MT commercial will be steering customers to those models. Selling junk for more profit is more harmful to the dealer's business than SQ's. While they would make more per machine selling a SQ, they are less likely to get return customers as such.

SQ's reputation will plummet, not at the customer level, but at the all important dealer level because they know the details of the new machines, and since all sales are through independent dealers, dealers will steer sales elsewhere almost immediately. As such there will be little delay before sales slip, at least a measurable amount.

I cite both John LeFever(combo52) and Eugene (LorainFurniture) as examples, they are already pushing other products, LeFever is pushing the last 2017s and FL models as well as saying that he would push those who want an traditional, aggressive agitator model to the Maytag. Eugene is pushing most FL models over this would sooner recommend an LG for TL than this new SQ.

All a dealer has to say to dissuade a perspective SQ customer is to mention that it has changed and that is no longer exactly what they want. As soon as that is said, they are no longer looking at only SQ and are open to anything.

Post# 978388 , Reply# 16   1/15/2018 at 01:43 (301 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Watched the new SQ video about the new SQ machine on the other thread-the sheets load.WRAP!!!---UNWRAP!!-REWRAP!!---and so on.No real washing action there.
For Kirby they stick with designs that WORK-unlike the new SQ model.Kirby WILL NOT introduce a new system model unless it works better than previous ones.Not the case with this SQ machine.Its like Kirby introducing model that does not clean your floor!I sort of thought of SQ as the "Kirby" of washers until now-they stuck with their old school TL design that WORKS!!Now they come up with one that doesn't.Feel the appliance builders should petion the EPA/DOE to cancel the new regs until they can be further evaluated.They have regs that force appliance builders to make washers that DON'T WORK!!!

Post# 978411 , Reply# 17   1/15/2018 at 06:23 (301 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Want the truth? They are in the same. The powers that have decided North America will be using FL washers- there is no stopping it. I despise globalism.

Post# 978441 , Reply# 18   1/15/2018 at 11:35 (301 days old) by Maytag85 (SoCal )        

I have said this awhile back, but Amwrica needs to EOL (End Of the Line) the EPA/DOE!

The EPA/DOE is ruining America!

Post# 978520 , Reply# 19   1/16/2018 at 00:43 (300 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

AGREED-President Trump cutting the EPA/DOE will be the BEST thing he has done!!!!I HATE the way these are taking away YOUR FREEDOM of choice--WAKE UP!!!!Those agencies are DESTROYING jobs in the US-their RR's arfe getting too expensive for US companies to adhere to---so the jobs and manufacturing are moved to other countries that don't have the too strict of RR's.

Post# 978622 , Reply# 20   1/16/2018 at 19:50 (300 days old) by Maytag85 (SoCal )        

When people find out that they no longer offer traditional top load washers at all anymore, and HE machines are only available, a lot people are going to be outraged.

HE washers are FakeWashingMachines(TM)!!!!

Post# 978629 , Reply# 21   1/16/2018 at 21:06 (299 days old) by Whatsername (Loveland, CO)        

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^ think the rest of the western world is gonna go ahead and disagree with ya on that one but ok

Post# 978641 , Reply# 22   1/16/2018 at 22:13 (299 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
remotely clean clothes

To get remotely clean clothes, you have to use the heavy duty cycle on the max soil level with the best of the best laundry detergent and even then your clothes won't be truly clean! Speed Queen should hide their heads in shame!

Post# 978666 , Reply# 23   1/17/2018 at 07:32 (299 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
2 steps ahead of you buddy

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"When people find out that they no longer offer traditional top load washers at all anymore, and HE machines are only available, a lot people are going to be outraged"

LOL! You seriously don't think they have a plan for that? Its right in front of your eyes, lol. When top load washers start cleaning like a sink-soak, take 90 minutes to do a load, produce tangled clothes, lint, throw error codes, ect, ect people will be conditioned into buying front loaders. You think its an accident that Speed Queen now makes a power soaker? You think its an accident Whirlpool top loads agitate while filling at a rate of 1 gallon a minute? Its all to even the playing field for front loaders. The folks who propel planets across space and time know that people will vigorously protest if FLs were instantaneously mandated; however by the knowledge granted from behavioral science if you can gradually diminish the quality of top-loaders, people, especially young folks who don't know otherwise, will gradually migrate to front loaders.

It is a lack of choice and a covert compulsion to use a product someone else decided for your own "good" years in advance.

@Whatsername: I think many people would also agree with Maytag85. Yes FLs use less water, but a DD topload can clean just as well in 1/3 the time especially when it comes to working class clothes.

I have high hopes that Trump will roll back these awful requirements to the point we will have more washers like Whirlpools new Maytag.

Post# 978696 , Reply# 24   1/17/2018 at 12:06 (299 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Two Things

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It will take 2 things.

1. Epa rollback of mandates.
2. Consumer marketplace would need to show a shift from FL sales to an increase on old school reconditioned TL units.

That would convince manufacturers that a retooling is necessary to regain consumer confidence.

Just my opinion...


Post# 978715 , Reply# 25   1/17/2018 at 14:42 (299 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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I'd say your opinion is correct :)

Post# 978719 , Reply# 26   1/17/2018 at 15:06 (299 days old) by jerrod6 (United States of America)        

I can't see that the new speed queens are using less water than the previous models. The amount of water being used is not the problem. This thing uses a lot of water and doesn't seem to do much with it.

Post# 978782 , Reply# 27   1/17/2018 at 22:32 (298 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

Let's face it, the old-school Speed Queen isn't that wonderful. The tub indexes a lot, rollover is anaemic, rinsing performance is poor... a decent front-loader will always be the best option. Just a shame SQ's consumer machines don't have a heater, and only the stackable washer and dryer model is available for 2018. I remember watching an official Alliance-produced video comparing the new SQ TL to a GE or somesuch, they pointed out the dry spots on sheets coming out the GE as evidence of the sheets never having got thoroughly wet to start with... now, that may be so, but I have the same with my FLers, and guess what, those sheets get plenty wet, but the 1400rpm spin gets them plenty dry too... but you can always fool some people, any piece of evidence can be twisted to mean whatever the hell you want it to mean.

There's definitely a need for a revision of the water consumption rules, but the idea of that cheeto-faced tribble-haired ****gibbon Trump abolishing the EPA terrifies me...

Post# 978783 , Reply# 28   1/17/2018 at 23:00 (298 days old) by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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That sound needed to be looked at. You did the right thing even if it turns out to be nothing major.

Post# 978786 , Reply# 29   1/17/2018 at 23:30 (298 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI)        

The tub only indexes for the first 6 months of the machines life then it's gone forever. The rollover is quite good, only bad if one stuffs the machine to the point of having to stand on the clothes to get them in. And the rinsing is much better than some make it out to be.

Post# 978795 , Reply# 30   1/18/2018 at 03:16 (298 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

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I must reiterate, I have no problem with Euro style FL machines, they have a far better clothes to water ratio than US front loaders. 2 gallons of water and 5 cubic feet of clothes just isn't a good idea.

I contest your claim of almost no turnover, an old design SQ has as good of turnover as any machine ever made that doesn't use a DA agitator. Only overloaded is there any trouble. When we first go our SQ, the tub indexed a little but it didn't even take a month for it to stop. As GusHerb said, rinsing isn't that bad, I know I have complained on it in the past but that was with due consideration to even older machines with no water restrictions(MT A207), when compared to more contemporary competition, like an HE TL, the rinsing is very good.

Have you ever used a Speed Queen top load washer?

Post# 978809 , Reply# 31   1/18/2018 at 07:32 (298 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Old School SQ anemic ???

Indexing ???

Post# 978812 , Reply# 32   1/18/2018 at 07:41 (298 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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@wft2800: Its safe to say you have not used a Speed Queen washer for any length of time. In fact most people on here who bash Speed Queen always seem to drag up stereotypical myths as an excuse which daily users know not to be the case. Let me clarify:

1. Indexing: Yes the tub indexes for a month or two when brand new. After that the tub won't budge. Look at any You-tube video of other than a month old Speed Queen.

2. Turn over. Again, not true. The machine has excellent, complete turnover.

3. Rinsing isn't that bad. I can think of worse rinsers.

Say what you will, but abolishing EPA regs is the right thing.

Post# 978896 , Reply# 33   1/18/2018 at 20:10 (298 days old) by wft2800 (Leatherhead, Surrey)        

Toploader55, that's a MUCH older SQ than what I'm talking about... the modern(ish) machines now being discontinued.

Yeah, I've seen them in a few public laundries here, they never seem to last long and even well-used still don't seem to work that well.

Post# 978897 , Reply# 34   1/18/2018 at 20:30 (297 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
Iíve had the queens for a while

About 6 months in my home. The TL washer has some turnover, about what you would expect from a one piece agitator. The indexing thing is gone after 10 loads.

It is a poor rinser. I donít even understand how that is even possible given the water usage. My wife would always complain about it and had to do constant second and even third rinse.

I would wager that the poor rinsing has more to do with ice cold rinse water and the agitation.

Post# 978903 , Reply# 35   1/18/2018 at 21:36 (297 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Rinsing is about extraction and dilution moreso than lengthy agitation.† The load absorbs the rinse fill(s) for the dilution part and the extraction from the spin(s) is a key factor.

Post# 978936 , Reply# 36   1/19/2018 at 06:57 (297 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Ha ! I'm old so that's the definition of "old school" to me ; )

Post# 978940 , Reply# 37   1/19/2018 at 07:17 (297 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
If everyone stopped

Buying new junk and did like me and used vintage, the companies would HAVE to go back to quality products, I just refuse to buy that junk!My 80s Rimflo Hotpoint does just fine!

Post# 978952 , Reply# 38   1/19/2018 at 09:49 (297 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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we have all tweaked them in our own way, just to improve some results.....

for the Speed Queen:

1. clothes pin trick on lid switch

2. drill out the HOT side of the valve for a 50/50 mix

3. increase water level for a full load

4. increase tension on belt....quicker and faster spin out, especially for the wash/spin, the more water spun out, the less suds/residue left for the rinse cycle..

a full high speed final spin extracts more water as well for drying.......

the new 2018 Speed Queens, despite all the skepticism of its new design, is all about DEPENDABILITY, and like Maytag, the machine is built for longevity....Maytag washers were never known for vigorous washing action, it was known for gentle washing, and dependable longevity...sounds like history repeating itself...

Post# 979022 , Reply# 39   1/19/2018 at 15:04 (297 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
All about longevity

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Their taking it WAY too far with this one. Even a Maytag set to slow isn't this bad.

I may just have to second Hans' motion for vintage.

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