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Post# 978912   1/18/2018 at 22:44 (273 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        

Here's the new press release for their new washer. I'm not holding my breath that this will be a great washer after what I saw. Here goes nothing. Good luck.

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Post# 978915 , Reply# 1   1/18/2018 at 23:09 (273 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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"truly innovative ... auto-fill system"

F&P has had automatic water level sensing for 20+ years.


Post# 978946 , Reply# 2   1/19/2018 at 07:49 (273 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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ďHowever, I can say without reservation that our 2018 design takes top load washer performance to the next level. Significant resources were put into this machine and it delivers exceptional results.Ē



They are 20 years in the past when it comes to PR.


Post# 978950 , Reply# 3   1/19/2018 at 09:05 (273 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

"Here goes nothing." That's what the SQ people thought when they sent out the press release.


Post# 978961 , Reply# 4   1/19/2018 at 11:02 (273 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
build quality and performance

It seems the build quality is tougher than the previous model. Even the engineers at Speed Queen were uncertain that their new washers would perform better than their previous generation top loader washer. I wonder if this washer has a ribbed belt in it. I hope they put the sound effects of their new washers' operation like GE did.

Post# 978996 , Reply# 5   1/19/2018 at 13:47 (273 days old) by Infusor (Usa)        

Improved wash quality??? Wow they really are in denial.

Post# 979007 , Reply# 6   1/19/2018 at 14:12 (273 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        

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Condemned before you even get the first soap flakes in...


Post# 979008 , Reply# 7   1/19/2018 at 14:13 (273 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Maybe it is an improved wash system

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They just didn't say it was an improvement over a five gallon bucket and a toilet plunger.

Post# 979010 , Reply# 8   1/19/2018 at 14:29 (273 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        
"Here goes nothing..."

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I tried commenting on their press release, it says my comment is awaiting moderation.
Lets just see if they actually post it!

Harley, are you sure? Myself, I'd put more stock in the toilet plunger.



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Post# 979013 , Reply# 9   1/19/2018 at 14:37 (273 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Good thing

Good thing we have modern very effective detergents. With the new washing action and a modern detergent, the clothes will be clean. Remember that Consumer Reports has tested the former Speed Queen Top Loader and found that it did not clean well using their tests. They probably will not test this unit. Since I do not repair cars or do landscape work, my laundry is not very dirty to begin with, so I sill appreciate a washer that is well built. I can always let clothes soak, let say, for an hour. This way the wash cycle will more closely match a modern Front Load.

Still, I am glad I bought a 2017 model. And I am in the school of spin/drain for entertainment if nothing else.


Post# 979014 , Reply# 10   1/19/2018 at 14:48 (273 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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anybody and everybody will boast their own product, GM, Chrysler, Ford, Etc all think they make the best vehicle...this is no different

Better build quality and longevity are their main concerns, tag in a more gentle wash.....people will buy into that!

people bought into Maytag for their "Dependability" not their great vigorous wash action....which was certainly a drop from their wringer machines....if people knew how the machine gave into a load to save the machine, why else did the machine stop when the lid was raised?...

the vids are helpful insights to the machine.....as with any machine, skepticism is warranted, but with any machine, I rather have a hands on use of an actual machine, hear from someone who sells and works on them, before listening to someones best guess.....


Post# 979025 , Reply# 11   1/19/2018 at 15:06 (273 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
motor, pulley and belt

I wonder how big the motor is in terms of size. I know it's a 1 hp motor. How tough is the pulley? How many ribs are on the belt? I heard it's the toughest machine they've ever made.

Post# 979032 , Reply# 12   1/19/2018 at 15:30 (272 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
It is a tough machine

I certainly canít say itís not well built. The belt is a 7(?) rib belt. Thickest Iíve seen. The pulley is well built and will never break. This machine will certainly outlast anything out there, including the previous generation.

I sell (past tense now) speed queens and serviced them. Iíve run at least 20 loads on their new machine. It will work great for office dust, just wonít clean the working manís clothes.


Post# 979057 , Reply# 13   1/19/2018 at 18:40 (272 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        
Longevity

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Assuming the control board is made to last that long, this new SQ may actually outlive a Maytag center dial. Never thought I would say that for a modern residential washer but its true. The seals are improved and the rest is just a solid metal shaft; no gears, clutches, ect, ect.

Post# 979061 , Reply# 14   1/19/2018 at 19:33 (272 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
normal sounds and wash quality

I hope Speed Queen posts videos of this washer's normal sounds during operation. I don't blame Speed Queen completely, or at least I shouldn't. I hope they improve on their wash action by putting ribs or underwater jets in the agitator with fins, or all of the above to create the most intense water currents while driving out heavy dirt. I'm not holding my breath, but I hope they improve.
At least they made their design as tough, if not tougher. It's just the wash action I'm not too fond of. Even the engineers themselves were doubtful.
What else were they supposed to do?


Post# 979400 , Reply# 15   1/22/2018 at 06:42 (270 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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What do you do when you want make your product look good? You compare it with something else that somehow looks worse. It's this kind of marketing I really don't like. But hey, what can you do when you (....) up your own product, right?






Post# 979412 , Reply# 16   1/22/2018 at 09:47 (270 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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I'm pretty sure I've seen this video with the same people comparing the 2017-style SQ to the WP.† I'm wondering if they reshot the entire video or just edited-in shots of the 2018 machine.


Post# 979432 , Reply# 17   1/22/2018 at 12:15 (270 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
edited

The clips were edited. I wish they'd compare the noise level of their new 2018 models to their older ones like GE did!

Post# 979437 , Reply# 18   1/22/2018 at 12:31 (270 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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this new machine may prove beneficial to actual better rinsing and extraction than the older models.....

if you think your current SQ does OK with spinning and rinsing....pop the front panel off, and while spinning a full load, with your finger, reach under the motor and add some tension to the idler, and watch the spin speed increase drastically....

I just installed a new belt, everything appeared to work as it should.....until I increased the spring tension on the pulley, and noticed the increase in speed, and better extraction of water from the load....

just from the first wash water spin, better extraction will give you clearer rinsing, and a faster final spin will reduce your drying time...


Post# 979441 , Reply# 19   1/22/2018 at 12:58 (270 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

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When mine is out of warranty, I fully intend to try and change the first spin to the high speed motor windings. It would certainly be quieter and rinse better.

Post# 979444 , Reply# 20   1/22/2018 at 13:09 (270 days old) by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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So how much deflection should the belt be tensioned too,
How tight is too tight?
How do you change to "the high speed motor wingdings"? What's a wingding in this context?
I hopefully will have a SQ TL machine soon and I am interested in all the mods.

The following I know about (thx Martin!):
Drill out the hot water inlet
Drill out both inlets
Remove the device(?) from the end of the drain hose
Increase the waterfall effect by sealing off exit behind basket
Swap in a better agitator (seems to depend on just what kind you favor)
Increase tub water fill to top

Did I miss any, please let us know, thx.


Post# 979460 , Reply# 21   1/22/2018 at 17:12 (269 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

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I wrote "windings" not "wingdings". Windings are the many loops of wire wound inside the motor that when energized produce a magnetic field which sebsequently spins the armature(center shaft). Two speed motors are used in the old style SQ top loaders, these employ two sets of windings. For the first spin, the windings inside the motor that are for slow speed are energized. This yields less extraction of sudsy wash water before the rinse thus resulting in less effective rinsing. If the windings for the high speed operation were energized instead, the machine would have a fast first spin.

Looking at a schematic would yield exactly what to do, but it certainly seems like it would be possible to me.


Post# 979461 , Reply# 22   1/22/2018 at 17:29 (269 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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the only advantage to that 'change' would be for models where the speed is controlled by the timer...

the only thing that might change is giving a high speed spin for Gentle or PermPress cycles....

but during Regular/Normal cycles, all spins are high speed by default...


no matter what speed your using, if the belt is not gripping enough, you not reaching its full potential of the 710rpms for Normal...


Post# 979464 , Reply# 23   1/22/2018 at 18:06 (269 days old) by speedqueen (Harrison Twp, Michigan)        

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I have the 2015 DOE spec AWN432, because of this, my options for most fabrics are "Heavy Duty/Permanent Press" or "Normal/Eco" so I am forced into low speed first spins on the most effective cycle, HD/PP.

Post# 979505 , Reply# 24   1/22/2018 at 20:21 (269 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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oh yeah, on those models, the speed is slowed down for the saturation rinse....


you would think they would have stepped the spin speeds for when the rinse spray is on, and then off...jumping back and forth slow to high...

wonder if there would be a way to re-program the cycle.....high speed at first to extract as much soap as possible, then do the stepped spins for the ECO cycle...

I still think you might get a better extraction if the belt were a bit tighter...all you can do is try adding some tension during a spin to see if there is any improvement...


Post# 979508 , Reply# 25   1/22/2018 at 20:50 (269 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
new washer sound

Here is a sound comparison they did to their competitor.

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Post# 979532 , Reply# 26   1/23/2018 at 01:55 (269 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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As for noise tests... I suppose there is a plus to a quiet machine. Certainly, it's a selling point for some. As I've commented before, noise (or lack of) was a major talking point of one woman who sold appliances at my nearest Home Depot. I, personally, value washing performance more, and, in that regard, the new Speed Queen doesn't seem acceptable based on the available information.

 

Also the noisier competitor in this video doesn't seem that noisy...although I'm only judging that based on this video, not in the real world. But then I'm currently using a BOL WP DD, which is quite audible when running...

 


Post# 979538 , Reply# 27   1/23/2018 at 04:11 (269 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I've had an Asko or Miele for the past 20 years so noise isn't an issue for me either! 


Post# 979679 , Reply# 28   1/24/2018 at 09:40 (268 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        
wash sounds

When I saw the video, they said the speed queen sounded like a spa, or being at a beach somewhere. Really?

Post# 979699 , Reply# 29   1/24/2018 at 10:53 (268 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Noise has to be the stupidest "bug" or "feature" comparison in modern times.

There's people on many review sites who have gone from a KM or WP DD washer, to a WP or GE inverter motor machine, with no trans, and they screech online how noisy those new machines are.
Granted they have the intermittent electric motor sound with no transmission, but how the HECK can they go from a DD machine to a new machine and say it's too noisy?
Boggles my mind.


Post# 979703 , Reply# 30   1/24/2018 at 11:04 (268 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Exactly John!


you know, if you hit the 'mute' key while watching a vid, the machine is almost silent...

as most installs are in an alcove, bathroom, basement....noise levels aren't really a factor....some machines are soothing to hear operate....

at the last house, my neptunes were in the kitchen, loved hearing the sound of the spin ramp up which sounded like a jet taking off.....not like I was running a load while sleeping!...

if people only had a 'mute' button!....at least you know the machine will stop!





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