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Whirlpool FL Advanced Vibration Control
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Post# 979398   1/22/2018 at 06:04 (294 days old) by seeitrun2006 (Braselton/Hoschton GA)        

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I currently own a 10 year old Whirlpool Duet model #WFW9200SQ 4.2 cu. ft. washer with pedestal. It is starting to show wear and tear. It has started to give an intermitting F22 (door latch) error code. It has always washed our clothes great! It has always vibrated even since we've bought it even though it is completely level. I also use dampening pads under the leveling legs on this washer. It seems to help some with vibration. The cabinet has now begun to squeak when ramping up to spin. I can't get rid of the rotten egg smell even though I clean it on a regular basis.

And yes I use HE detergent, wash in warm water and leave the door open after use. We average about 10~12 loads per week for a family of three.

I am thinking about replacing it with a Whirlpool 4.5 cu ft WFW75HEFW front load washer with pedestal. In the description it states it has "advanced vibration control". I have searched the internet to get a definition and how it works to control vibration and can't find one. Some washers use balancing balls to control vibration. Does Whirlpool use this?

Taking apart my old washer and cleaning is not an option. We cannot be without a washer for a couple of weeks. Plus I not that mechanically inclined too take on such a project!!!!!!

I've considered Speed Queen but it appears they will be discontinued later this year. Don't want to buy one and can't get service later. Plus I can't afford them!!!

Any information would be helpful!!!

I just need to know if the new Whirlpools vibrate less then then the ones sold in 2007.


Post# 979402 , Reply# 1   1/22/2018 at 07:19 (294 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

If you should splurge for a new machine, I'd rather recomend the model one step up. The one you suggested has no heater, which would allow for super hot washes and thus help prevent the odor you describe.
The one step up model does have a heater which enables sanitizing temperatures.

If it's just about vibrations, the Electrolux machines might be worth a look as they have a second floor installation warranty in terms of vibrations and are highly praised for their cleaningresults.

The new machine you suggested should be less prone to vibration, but might take a few minutes more to balance and will probably not eliminate vibration entirely.

The new WP FLs do use balancing rings with ball bearings and liquid in them on both ends of the drum AFAIK and incorporates an advanced balancing algorythm.

It certanly is more advanced then your current machine with more adavanced drive technology and more advanced out of balance sensing.
But utmost certany you will only have once the machine is in your house.

Post# 979415 , Reply# 2   1/22/2018 at 09:50 (294 days old) by tomdawg (Des moines)        
New Whirlpool Duet

I agree you should go with the next step up.
I had a series like your current one, It felt it vibrated a lot. I have a 2015 that is the same as what they are making today. vibration is a minimum and is much better, I find that it doesn't take as much time to spin because the balancing bearing balls do most of the work. The best bang for your money is the WFW92 they put an extra set of ball bearing ring in the back of the washer where the one you have picked out only has one in the front.
the 92 series has a fan built in the washer- this helps keep the washer dry and clothes fresh. this is helpful when you can run a load at night and wake up to put them in the dryer.
you might have to wait til you find a deal on them. usually memorial day has great deals.

Post# 979422 , Reply# 3   1/22/2018 at 11:18 (294 days old) by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Maytag is directly comparable to Whirlpool being made by the same company using mostly the same designs.
This particular model seems to have more features (sound package for one) and a very good price if ordered from the link I provide at the bottom. Shipping is included. And tax may and may not be charged depending on your state of residence.
The washer is check rated at and is said to go on sale for less than $600 on occasion. See link:

CLICK HERE TO GO TO Stricklybojack's LINK

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Post# 979424 , Reply# 4   1/22/2018 at 11:35 (294 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I wonder if its a real change, or some gimmick when it comes to reduced vibration....

they did good when the Duet Sports came out, designed well for upper level installs for minimal vibrations...

same goes for sound dampening, the extra cost versus what exactly is added---a piece or two of 6x6 foam glued to the inside.....

I usually glue padding in myself, covering all 6 sides as much as possible to minimize sound....

Post# 979426 , Reply# 5   1/22/2018 at 11:45 (294 days old) by Stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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I agree Martin, gimmick. I only mentioned it to provide some kind of comparison in product line rank to the Whirlpool models.

Post# 979427 , Reply# 6   1/22/2018 at 11:50 (294 days old) by seeitrun2006 (Braselton/Hoschton GA)        
Whirlpool chat......Everyone needs a laugh

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Before I posted on the AWO I went into Whirlpool web site this morning. For the hell of it I asked via chat asking how does the current Whirlpool front load machines balance a load prior to spinning? I had also told them the model and serial number of my current 10 year old duet washer and mentioned the vibration.

Answers from the chat person:

1) Here is a link for the parts list of your current model.

2) The newer model WFW75HEFW does not have the sound proof package.

3) Never got an answer for load balancing of the newer models. TILT!!! OVERLOAD!!!!

How do companies exist with these persons knows nothing about the product the company (whom they work for) sells?

Post# 979436 , Reply# 7   1/22/2018 at 12:31 (294 days old) by Magic_Clean (Florida)        



Post# 979506 , Reply# 8   1/22/2018 at 20:22 (293 days old) by Seeitrun2006 (Braselton/Hoschton GA)        
Thank you!!!

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Thanks for all the information and advice!!!! It has been very helpful!!!


Post# 980689 , Reply# 9   1/31/2018 at 06:39 (285 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
That's so weird you get the rotten egg smells

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I just have to ask you, since yours is 10 years old. How often is it used....or what is your average load count per month? I too would def get one with a heater.. My Duet just yesterday gave me an F11 code for the first time in years. I freaked out because I really don't want to buy another machine and there's nothing wrong with it otherwise. Also, I'm not 100% on this, but I was told that the Duet pedestals (mine are from 2005), will work with current Duet and Maytag FL's, which would be GREAT if that's true.

Post# 980696 , Reply# 10   1/31/2018 at 08:05 (285 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
"Rotten egg smell"

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As a matter of interest, which detergent are you using, and is it a liquid?

Post# 981090 , Reply# 11   2/3/2018 at 07:57 (282 days old) by seeitrun2006 (Braselton/Hoschton GA)        

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mark___wpduet: we do on average 10~12 loads per week for a family of three. The duet we have has a heater also. But it takes a load of laundry 2 hours to complete.

rolls__raptide: We use Tide liquid along with a warm or hot wash. I never wash anything in cold. Fabric softener only in sheets (that is every 2 weeks). Our 22 year daughter who lives with us while going to college uses cold water on everything and uses tons of fabric softener. Plus she leaves washed clothes in the washer until I make her move them to the dryer. I had to take over doing her laundry. Once she is out of my house she can tear up her on washer and dryer.

Post# 981094 , Reply# 12   2/3/2018 at 09:37 (282 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Rotten egg smell

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It's very probably because it is a liquid.

Our washing machine user instructions stipulate machine maintenance washes with hot temperatures - and a heavy duty powder (which contains oxygen bleach).

It must be a 'heavy duty powder', as they usually have the oxygen bleach built in as standard - but you must read the ingredients, as sometimes they launch a dumbed-down version without the bleach. 'Colour' powder variants are no good, because there is no bleach in that formulation.

Regularly washing a load of whites on hot with a heavy duty powder (which has the bleach) actually should negate the need to do maintenance washes.

Don't be fooled: 'Tide Simply + Oxi' liquid has not one iota of bleach near it.

Post# 981095 , Reply# 13   2/3/2018 at 09:45 (282 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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There's no bleach in 'Tide+ Bleach Alternative' Liquid either.

Post# 981114 , Reply# 14   2/3/2018 at 14:35 (282 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago)        

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So Tide is lying about their ingredients?
Why have they not been caught yet? Chastised?

Post# 981116 , Reply# 15   2/3/2018 at 14:55 (282 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Well, it don't say Bleach Alternative for no reason.

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Post# 981120 , Reply# 16   2/3/2018 at 15:36 (282 days old) by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Tide HE Powder

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Contains oygen bleach: Sodium Percarbonate, along with a bleach activator, Nonanoyloxybenzenesulfonate. The two combine to efficiently disinfect and remove stains, even at low temperatures.

Sodium Carbonate
Sodium Sulfate
Sodium Aluminosilicate
Linear Alkylbenzene Sulfonate
Sodium Percarbonate
Sodium Laureth Sulfate
Sodium Polyacrylate
Palmitic Acid
Polyethylene Glycol 4000
Disodium Diaminostilbene Disulfonate
Fd&C Blue #1

Post# 981123 , Reply# 17   2/3/2018 at 15:53 (282 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I've always heard that liquid detergents can't include oxygen bleach due to some sort of chemical (or physical?) incompatibility on the liquid format.

Post# 981128 , Reply# 18   2/3/2018 at 18:15 (282 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Unilever makes a dishwasher gel with oxy bleach contained in little "pearls".


Post# 981144 , Reply# 19   2/3/2018 at 20:01 (282 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
I think a lot of people

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think using LCB (chlorine bleach) is detrimental to a washer when in fact it's beneficial. I've heard it could be powder vs liquid (powders are better) but I'm not sure I buy that. The fact that she washes in cold and uses tons of fab softener is a red flag. Maybe that's built up a thick layer or something, especially if your daughter washes in cold. I use LCB in whites only (a very little mind you). I'm not sure if the powder I use has oxi but I don't think it does.

I ran a clean washer cycle last week and I think I might have confused my washer. I forgot the sequence of buttons to activate clean washer in my old duet, so I kept pushing buttons trying to remember, and suddenly I started getting F 11, but then it stopped and started working again. I keep hoping my duet will last me a while longer until Whirlpool comes out with something better - I keep thinking I'm going to have to get a new Maytag or WP, and as soon as I do, they will unveil their new line of machines with improvements like, I dunno, a door with a button catcher, a recirculation pump? Things like that.

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