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1964 Kenmore Video: Odd Behaviors During 1st Drain
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Post# 980341   1/29/2018 at 02:58 (260 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

This is one of Eugene's (Lorainfurniture) videos. It's a gorgeous turquoise 1964 Kenmore (one of the alphabet variants). What the devil is going on during the first neutral drain?

11:48-- Washer begins its 2-minute neutral drain normally.
13:36-- Timer sounds like it advances, but tub does not spin. Spray rinses that should occur during the first two minutes of the four-minute first spin occur while tub is stationary.
14:38-- A few strokes of agitation and more spray rinses.
15:38-- Machine kicks into spin with sounds typical of 1960's Kenmores.

The rinse drain and final spin behave normally, although neither spin appears to reach full speed--or have I simply forgotten how slow belt-drive KM spins were?

Thanks for the video, Eugene! Love the look of the cycle dial and console on this '64 and the mighty Roto-Swirl handled the challenging load quite well. But what the heck is happening during the first drain? Also: Any particular reason for having made the video with the machine's top up?

Post# 980348 , Reply# 1   1/29/2018 at 05:28 (260 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        

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Check out the drain/spin/spray on other cycles. Do they all behave strangely?

I would check out the hold-down bar above the 2 cam bars. When it gets loose, the transmission can do some strange stuff.

And Kenmores of the belt drive era did NOT have the fastest spin, it looks normal as far as speed.

Post# 980355 , Reply# 2   1/29/2018 at 06:25 (260 days old) by Gyrafoam (Roanoke, VA)        

Wash and Wear Cycle?

Post# 980366 , Reply# 3   1/29/2018 at 06:58 (260 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Wash 'n' Wear Cycle: That crossed my mind, Steve, but then I spent the next five minutes chuckling about "Kenmore's First HE Wash 'n' Wear Cooldown!" featuring five or six little spritzes of water sprayed on one side of the tub, followed by four strokes of brutal agitation before the spin commences, LOL.😆

Post# 980380 , Reply# 4   1/29/2018 at 09:08 (260 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)        

One thing I noticed is that it seems to be coasting to a stop longer than Kenmores usually do.

Post# 980386 , Reply# 5   1/29/2018 at 09:28 (260 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Seems there's a problem of some ilk.  W-n-W cycle wouldn't drain completely, does a partial drain (until the pressure switch resets), refills for the cool down sequence.

He says in the comments that the brake was accidentally sprayed with WD-40 (which probably involved some also getting on the spin clutch).

Post# 980447 , Reply# 6   1/29/2018 at 16:25 (260 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Looks like the shaft of the agitator is ribbed. Does that make it a Super Roto-Swirl?

Post# 980448 , Reply# 7   1/29/2018 at 16:31 (260 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
Easy answer

The lid switch wasn’t engaged properly. I had the whole lid up and the lid moved it’s way up. I caught it while filming which is why the rest of the cycle went as expected. Good catch!

I sprayed wd 40 down there and accidentally tagged the brake.

The belt is dry, this machine has many issues despite it “working “

It is a super roto swirl

Post# 980471 , Reply# 8   1/29/2018 at 18:14 (260 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Cool To See This Washer Running

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This is the washer and dryer that we picked at Tim [ polka-nuts ] in Wisconsin a few years ago and brought to Cleveland.


Yes when I looked at this machine it really needs a complete rebuilding, I am surprised it works as well as it does.

Post# 980474 , Reply# 9   1/29/2018 at 18:24 (260 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Built to Last.

"Que Lastima".

Post# 980486 , Reply# 10   1/29/2018 at 18:56 (260 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Eugene--- OK, the lid switch explains why it didn't spin, but what caused the four strokes of agitation in the middle of what would have been a spin? Thanks for making the full cycle video of this beautiful '64. Growing up with a Kenmore I took it for granted and to make things worse, I had a wicked case of Frigidaire envy. Now I appreciate---pokey spin speed and general noisiness aside---how fine these washers were.

Post# 980499 , Reply# 11   1/29/2018 at 20:10 (260 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
Ok I watched the video

If you notice, I realized it wasn’t engaging in spin. About the time you see my hand is when I started investigating. Instead of looking at the obvious stuff first, I went right to the wig wag and cams. One of the solenoids was kind of sticky which is why I was a bit too liberal with the wd 40. I jiggled the wash solenoid and activated The wash for a hot second.

Post# 980513 , Reply# 12   1/29/2018 at 21:28 (260 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
Oh my

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I am so used to disconnecting the lid switch, first thing on all machines, that it never occurred to me!
Something new to learn every day.

Post# 980517 , Reply# 13   1/29/2018 at 22:02 (260 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)        

The 63 model was just like the 64 except it had the pregnant roto swirl and the wash n wear cycle was pink instead of beige.

Post# 980531 , Reply# 14   1/30/2018 at 01:49 (259 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

All is explained; now I can sleep, LOL. Thanks, Eugene.

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