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Thermador new glassware/party dishwasher
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Post# 980713   1/31/2018 at 10:04 (261 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

Thermador new dishwashers for 2018.


Post# 980722 , Reply# 1   1/31/2018 at 11:04 (261 days old) by RevvinKevin (So. Cal.)        
...when one dishwasher just isn't enough!

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"Star Speed" - a 20 minute "hot water cycle"

"Star Glow" - multi color "emotion / mood lighting".... just what I need! Not.

Time remaining "power beam" - this is actually pretty cool!

... and all this can be yours for the bargain price of ONLY $2300!

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Post# 980724 , Reply# 2   1/31/2018 at 11:04 (261 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

New KA dishwasher has window in door.

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Post# 980727 , Reply# 3   1/31/2018 at 11:15 (261 days old) by RevvinKevin (So. Cal.)        

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The KA dishwasher with the window is neat, BUT... the glass is tinted and you cannot turn the light on inside while the dishwasher is running! frown 

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Post# 980732 , Reply# 4   1/31/2018 at 12:06 (261 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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I as well went to the Thermador site.

Great Idea if you "got dat kinda loot".

I also went to the KA site and looked at the Window machine. Why put a window in when you can't turn on the light and watch it run ?

I have a nephew that's 7 maybe 8 now. The best child watcher is my Dad's FL Maytag washer. Looking for Sam ? Check the Laundry Room and there he is watching what he calls "Round and Round". (Or maybe that was 2-3 years ago.)

(I'm so proud of him... Future AW member ) ; )

So, put a light in that stays on during the cycle and he'd be in the same room with you.

Post# 980737 , Reply# 5   1/31/2018 at 12:36 (261 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

The Time Remaining Power Beam feature is pretty cool. I wish I had that on my Bosch dishwasher. Right now, I have no clue how much time my dishwasher will take to complete any cycle.

But why would you need two dishwashers, why can't they make a fast glassware/entertaining cycle on the regular dishwasher? Different racking system maybe?

Post# 980782 , Reply# 6   1/31/2018 at 19:05 (260 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
Star Dry

As these are BSH (Bosch) sourced, they will also offer models with "Star Dry", using the Zeolite technology used in A+++ rated DW over here in Europe.

That system supposedly offers better and more efficent drying, and from what I have heared, it actually is pretty decent. There were some issues with the fans they used at the begining, but they apparently have been sorted out.

Here's a EU video explaining the basic principle of the technology:

Post# 980788 , Reply# 7   1/31/2018 at 19:47 (260 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

And I thought Samsung was the only one into packing their appliances in with gimmicks...

Post# 980791 , Reply# 8   1/31/2018 at 20:18 (260 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
You mean Zeolite is a gimmick?

Keep in mind Bosch DW don't have a heated dry option due to their flow through heater. This compensates for that.

Post# 980805 , Reply# 9   1/31/2018 at 23:10 (260 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Soo... how does this compare to turbothermic drying from Miele?

I mean... Miele uses airflow, not added minerals?

I'm sorta confused.

Post# 980811 , Reply# 10   2/1/2018 at 01:24 (260 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

Miele uses the residual heat from the dishes to evaporate the water off of them and condeses it in a side pocket cooled by room air. Thus, the heat that is contained in the steam is released into the room and can't be reused to dry dishes.

Bosch used to use a side pocket filled with water. That would cool the left side of the tank, thus the air in the tank and have a simmilar condensing effect.
However, in the US, the hot water connection ment that that was less effective and you always needed high final rinse temperatures which ment high energy usage.

The trick behind Zeolite is that that mineral is incredibly porus on a microscopic level.
This means if you blow moist air through it, the moisture condenses out of the air without a major temperature gradient present, simply due to the incredibly high surface area.

If you know some basic physics, you know that you need incredible amounts of energery to transform water into water vapour, more so then just heating it up without changing its state from liquid to steam.
Thus, if water vapour condenses, it releases huge amount of heat. You for example might now that effect if you ever got burned by steam of a pot.

So, the moist air inside the tank is blown through that mineral. The moisture condenses and releases a huge amount energy, which in turn warms up the air again.
Moist, warm air enters the Zeolite container and hot dry air exits.

The heat of the final rinse cycle is basicly recycled over and over again while the moisture is removed. Verry little energy is lost, most of it is reused to dry the dishes further.
The mineral acts like a small heater, basicly.

The regeneration of the mineral (basicly drying the mineral) is achieved
a) just by natural evaporation in the time between cycles and more importantly
b) during the wash phase of a cycle due to the heat inside the tank being transfered to the Zeolite tank.

This allows for highly efficent drying no matter how much heat an item can hold and even with verry low final rinse temperatures (as low as 35C or in other words 95F). Higher final rinse temperatures of course improof drying results and times even further.

Post# 980815 , Reply# 11   2/1/2018 at 02:55 (260 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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"b) during the wash phase of a cycle due to the heat inside the tank being transfered to the Zeolite tank."

It's my understanding that the zeolite is dried during the wash cycle by a small heater underneath the zeolite container, releasing steam into the tub that helps to heat the water. On top of that, Bosch introduced a few self-opening dishwashers some years ago to further aid drying during the energy label cycle. I guess Miele didn't patent their AutoOpen system to the extend that they did with the cutlery tray, as a lot of brands have doors that pop open at the end of the cycle.

Post# 980905 , Reply# 12   2/1/2018 at 19:46 (259 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan)        

Don't think AutoOpen is anything unusual...both the James dishwasher recently shown and the 30" Youngstown popped open when done (James using residual heat; Youngstown had an electric element in the bottom of the tank). This would be prior art from 60 years ago...

Post# 980953 , Reply# 13   2/2/2018 at 09:01 (259 days old) by partscounterman (Cortez, Colorado)        
If anyone at Thermador has a sense of humor...

and a sense of dishwasher history, they would have put a button on that new glassware machine called PARTY CYCLE

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