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Thread Number: 74617
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| Post# 984172 2/24/2018 at 19:41 (2,245 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
Is anyone else using these have a problem with high amounts of suds? I ran a load through my dishwasher today and during the main wash cycle there was so much foam inside you couldn't hear any water spray. I've noticed on previous loads that the water spray wasnt as strong with all the foam, however this time It got so bad that water started to leak out from the bottom. It did this once before and I thought I had an actual leak but the last few times I ran it, nothing dripped out until today. I got these to replace the Finish liquid I was using as it did a horrible job and the packs do clean much better and believe it or not, by the last rinse cycle the water was crystal clear. What if anything could I add during the main wash to cut down the suds? I appreciate any recommendations offered :)
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Post# 984173 , Reply# 1 2/24/2018 at 19:46 (2,245 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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| Post# 984179 , Reply# 2 2/24/2018 at 21:28 (2,245 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA) | ||
 Seems to be a water quality issue. Others here have reported excess foaming with the Platinum "action-pacs." But my water is pretty hard and there isn't enough foaming to be a problem.
They do clean the best of anything I've used since the phosphate ban. Since I only run the dishwasher once or twice a week I do think they are worth the extra cost. | ||
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Post# 984181 , Reply# 3 2/24/2018 at 21:36 (2,245 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 984183 , Reply# 4 2/24/2018 at 21:53 (2,245 days old) by jjsunshine (Northern California) | ||
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| Post# 984193 , Reply# 5 2/24/2018 at 22:59 (2,245 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
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Jim- You would think so but the water here is pretty hard. It's been a while since I checked the level but water spotted windows and cars are a regular thing here. But I do like how they clean. Just as good as old phosphated stuff.
JJSunshine- You've got that right. There was a thick blanket of suds at the bottom. But nonresidue left on my dishes at all. By the last rinse the water is crystal clear. Dadoes- I'm wondering if there are other water softening agents in it. I didn't think to check. | ||
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Post# 984200 , Reply# 6 2/25/2018 at 00:09 (2,245 days old) by Mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas) |
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Haven't noticed any excessive suds with Complete, it just doesn't clean well here. Our water is very hard. So I used only the Platinum. Recently tried Walgreens Nice packs and very impressed with the cleaning performance. Won't hestitate to use it again. | ||
| Post# 984218 , Reply# 7 2/25/2018 at 06:52 (2,244 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK) | ||
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too much foam Hi all It's exactly the same in the UK - Fairy Platinum are way too sudsy. I feel a dishwasher needs almost no suds to be fully effective. Just wanted to make this comment to show you that it's not just local water conditions....they are just too sudsy!! However I agree it is a great detergent. Nick | ||
| Post# 984221 , Reply# 8 2/25/2018 at 07:04 (2,244 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Fairy Platinum In my experience is far too sudsy - and it caused a suds-lock in my Bosch. The wash action was very lethargic. I get much better performance with Finish tablets of various kinds, and stores' own brands, Lidl's in particular. | ||
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Post# 984226 , Reply# 9 2/25/2018 at 07:46 (2,244 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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| Post# 984229 , Reply# 10 2/25/2018 at 08:03 (2,244 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 984236 , Reply# 11 2/25/2018 at 08:08 (2,244 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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Have not noticed any increased suds and no drop off in cleaning ability. I use the 16X variety | ||
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Post# 984255 , Reply# 12 2/25/2018 at 08:42 (2,244 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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JoeyPete: Yes they are a lot more sudsy. ... If you are using it in an older machine in particular, you will get a ton of suds. They are really designed for newer machines that don't use as much water.Just to say, my 14yo DD takes 0.8 gal per fill. Seems that a fixed-dose pack with less water would cause more sudsing. No? How much water does a typical new-off-the-lot unit take nowadays? | ||
| Post# 984256 , Reply# 13 2/25/2018 at 08:48 (2,244 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
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| Post# 984266 , Reply# 15 2/25/2018 at 09:43 (2,244 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA) | ||
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One possibility I thought of. On my lower-end Whirlpool from a few years ago the detergent compartment doesn't seal well at all. Not sure if this happened with age or if it was always like that.
When I place a pod that has separate liquid sections in the main compartment before starting the cycle I find that the heat and water leakage melt the pod and the liquid parts partially drain out into the pre-wash.
Now I usually just listen for the main wash to start and toss the pod in to avoid the problem. I only run the dishwasher once a week on average so this isn't a big deal for me.
If there are foam suppressors are in the liquid part that is being lost too soon maybe that could be part of the problem.
I do wonder if the three separate sections of liquid attached to the powder are just marketing. Obviously the candy-colors are but I wonder about the rest of it. Is there a real need to have a three separate liquid compartments (or a need to have separate liquid and powder sections at all...?) | ||
| Post# 984268 , Reply# 16 2/25/2018 at 09:50 (2,244 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK) | ||
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Iowabear Your theory is good, but I rarely (if ever) use a prewash / rinse and still get the problem. Just letting you know so you are not worried it's something you or your d/w is doing wrong - just the nature of the product. | ||
| Post# 984274 , Reply# 17 2/25/2018 at 10:45 (2,244 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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"white coating..." I've just read the Ocado reviews slating the Finish 'All-in-1'. Not good. I got that powdery coating with Finish Powder. And then I read reviews about that being awful too. | ||
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Post# 984328 , Reply# 18 2/25/2018 at 18:22 (2,244 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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YES They are far too sudsy. I have switched to Finish Quantum and have not looked back. They clean just as well as Cascade Powder with a bit of STPP. | ||
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Post# 984349 , Reply# 21 2/25/2018 at 21:11 (2,244 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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 I can't put my finger on it. Water is fairly hard here. Our Miele gets run once or twice per week. Three times over the past couple of months I've noticed sudsing issues. I blamed it on some dishes in the sink having been exposed to regular hand or dish soap. Now I'm not so sure, but because it's not a regular occurrence, I've been hesitant to blame it on the Cascade pods. | ||
| Post# 984352 , Reply# 22 2/25/2018 at 21:35 (2,244 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) | ||
So its not just me then with sudsing issues with Cascade Platinum pacs then. This evening I could hear my LG dishwasher cavatating during the wash cycle and I opened the door to find a good layer of suds over the bottom and the dishes covered in foam. I added more water, about a small pitcher full and the cavatating stopped but only for 5 mins. The load came out spotless as usual and dry. I do have a box of Cascade Complete powder that doesn't do that at all in this machine.
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| Post# 984354 , Reply# 23 2/25/2018 at 21:48 (2,244 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA) | ||
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Picture This is the foam level about half-way through a heated wash cycle (to 145) in my lower-end Whirlpool using one Platinum Pac. Not much water, not much foam. Dishes are always clean though.
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| Post# 984391 , Reply# 24 2/26/2018 at 04:10 (2,243 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
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Post# 984429 , Reply# 27 2/26/2018 at 12:59 (2,243 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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Post# 984436 , Reply# 28 2/26/2018 at 13:26 (2,243 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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| Post# 984469 , Reply# 29 2/26/2018 at 17:56 (2,243 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
I wonder
if all the foam could damage your dishwasher? I use Finish Powerball and it doesn't foam at all. The Finish Quantum foamed terribly when I used a sample of it. It made the dishwasher sound like a totally different machine. I remember thinking WTH is wrong because of the sound it made.I opened the dishwasher and foam all over the place and that is with hard water and non-rinsed dishes. This is why I've been afraid to try Platinum because I've read reports of too much foam and I remembered the Quantum sample I used. It did a great job getting the dishes clean and they were rinsed well...but it made me wonder if that laboring sound during the long wash cycle would shorten the life of the dishwasher.
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| Post# 984487 , Reply# 30 2/26/2018 at 19:52 (2,243 days old) by Infusor (Usa) | ||
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Platinum pack in my whirlpool made kenmore portable, i use any other detergent and have zero foam, i since switched to finish quantum. My water is city water and not really soft eather.
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Post# 984512 , Reply# 32 2/26/2018 at 22:35 (2,243 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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With my water and a KitchenAid KUDS24 I had awful foaming to the point of leaking with Finish Powerball tablets. I gave a bunch of them to a co worker that doesn't have softened water.
I started using Cascade Platinum packs and while I sometimes see a bit of foaming if I open the door, it never created a problem. I bought Cascade Complete packs last time to compare them and they seem ok sudsing wise, seem to clean just fine also. | ||
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Post# 984514 , Reply# 33 2/26/2018 at 22:43 (2,243 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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I use Cascade Platinum paks and haven’t noticed any sudsing problem, but we have very hard water here too. It’s hard to get suds from most new detergents with our hard water.
I do very minimal rinsing, and always use the 1 hour cycle that uses more water, so that may also account for my not having a prob with excess suds. Anyway, the Platinum Paks clean very well and I like them. Eddie | ||
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Post# 985046 , Reply# 38 3/3/2018 at 06:32 (2,238 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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I've often thought those tabs/pods were too concentrated for the small amount of water the modern dishwashers use. If I use one and hear the foam sound inside...and open the door to check it out...when I re-latch the door to start the machine it will bubble out under the door! I just gave my last ones to my mother who has the same dishwasher as me but unsoftened water. | ||
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Post# 987201 , Reply# 39 3/18/2018 at 23:48 (2,223 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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I’ve been using Cascade Platinum Paks for three years now and have been very pleased up until last Wednesday. I did a load in my Whirlpool WDF330PAHW using the 1 hour cycle with heated dry option, just like always. I placed the one Platinum Pak’s in the dispenser, just like always, making sure to run the hot water at the sink until it was really hot before pressing start. When the cycle was complete and I opened the door I immediately knew something wasn’t right. There was a white film all over the clear glass items, and upon further inspection I found the partially dissolved Platinum Pak on the bottom, left side of the tub. The dishes hadn’t been cleaned thoroughly either and I had to rewash several items. This had never happened before and I was concerned that there was something wrong with the dishwasher. So I ran a cycle with no detergent and an empty tub to see if everything was OK with the machine, and it was.
The next day I bought a box of Cascade Complete Powder and gave it a try. I found that it cleaned just as well, if not better than the Platinum Paks, and at $5.99 for the large box, compared to $13.00 for the 36 pak Platinum Paks, this will now be my daily driver DW detergent. To keep it fresh, I poured the entire box into a 2 quart Rubbermaid pitcher, so its sealed against any moister. Since our water is extremely hard here I’m filling the main cup to the max line and also the prewash cup as well, using one of those little plastic measuring cups that come with liquid medicine. And like always, I’m using rinse aid too. The real difference I noticed immediately is that the coffee stains came out of the white Corelle Stoneware mugs, stains that the Platinum Paks always left behind. Thanks to all the members here that have posted favorable comments about Cascade Complete Powder. Your input helped me come up with an excellent solution right away. Eddie This post was last edited 03/19/2018 at 01:08 | ||
| Post# 987205 , Reply# 41 3/19/2018 at 01:23 (2,223 days old) by Infusor (Usa) | ||
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Lemi shine Tried lemi shine. ZERO FOAM! | ||
| Post# 987233 , Reply# 42 3/19/2018 at 08:51 (2,222 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA) | ||
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That the worst thing about P&G products...the formulations and scents are constantly changing, sometimes announced on the the packaging, sometimes not.
Thanks for the report Eddie, maybe I'll give the Cascade powder another try. I'm sure they have changed it since I last used it. However since they'd rather people buy the premium pods (and lose the ability to dose them) they probably wouldn't have trumpeted the change on the box.
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| Post# 987262 , Reply# 44 3/19/2018 at 12:13 (2,222 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
It makes you wonder.... if companies like P&G are even bothering with field testing anymore. Heck, even an internal employee test would be helpful.
Give some reformulated pacs to employees, test them for a few weeks and report back any good or bad findings. We do internal field testing all the time. It's very informative. Or are they just reformulating and tossing them out into the market? | ||
| Post# 987351 , Reply# 45 3/20/2018 at 01:24 (2,222 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
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Post# 988843 , Reply# 46 3/30/2018 at 15:05 (2,211 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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I ran a DD load this morning with a Cascade Platinum pack. There was considerable sudsing during the prewash. Much less, although some, during the main wash. I got a few pics but can't get them out of the camera because I didn't have a memory card inserted and I can't find the mini-USB cable to get them out of on-board memory. The Platinum didn't clean a tea stain that Boil Out handles nicely. | ||
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Post# 988850 , Reply# 47 3/30/2018 at 16:24 (2,211 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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I find the tea stain effectiveness varies. When I use SmartWash and the load is quite dirty, soil removal is much better. Main wash has been clocked at 88 to 90 minutes. Not sure if target temp is 130 or 140 in those scenarios. But loads are far better dealt with when I opt for Sani-Rinse. Main wash is 140+ and final rinse is 153 to 155. And main wash can still be about 90 minutes. | ||
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Post# 988852 , Reply# 48 3/30/2018 at 16:49 (2,211 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 988873 , Reply# 51 3/30/2018 at 18:44 (2,211 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 988880 , Reply# 52 3/30/2018 at 20:13 (2,211 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 989009 , Reply# 56 3/31/2018 at 19:51 (2,210 days old) by StrongEnough78 (California) | ||
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Finally got pictures.
The detergent cup just opened about 5 minutes before. The pack wasn't even dissolved all the way and already this much foam. I'm going to switch back to the powder. That's a good 2.5 inches of foam already from what I can tell. The tub is pretty deep.
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Post# 989035 , Reply# 57 3/31/2018 at 23:00 (2,210 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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As I have stated I've never had a similar issue. I'm sure there are other factors in play here, as to the amount and type of water used. If I remember I'll snap a picture of the little amount of suds I have using pods... | ||
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Post# 989060 , Reply# 58 4/1/2018 at 04:27 (2,209 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Loading a sharp knife with its blade upside would be a sure way to cut my wrist in no time at all. Distracted as I usually am...
That is an impressive amount of foam. Can`t comment on the Cascade Packs, we didn`t have any P&G automatic DW products for a long time in stores, but I`ve always found if a DW detergent tends to be on the sudsy side it also seems to do a superior job for crystal clear glasses. Guess if it chokes the pump it`s way too much. | ||
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Post# 989062 , Reply# 59 4/1/2018 at 04:52 (2,209 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 989383 , Reply# 60 4/4/2018 at 01:05 (2,207 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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I popped a pack in tonight and remembered to get a picture. No suds to speak of...
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Post# 1133248 , Reply# 63 11/11/2021 at 13:56 (889 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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I tried a Finish Quantum pac couple days ago. No discernable sudsing but it did nothing ... zero, zilch ... to stains on the plastic funnel of my iced tea maker. | ||
| Post# 1133252 , Reply# 64 11/11/2021 at 14:47 (889 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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They must be different formulations. I've had phenomenal results with Fairy Platinum Plus for plastics. Even the dishwasher itself looks like new. Tannins can take a few cycles to completely disappear though. Tea and tomato stains in plastic aren't easy to remove in one cycle. | ||
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Post# 1133253 , Reply# 65 11/11/2021 at 15:06 (889 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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