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Post# 989613   4/5/2018 at 23:58 (2,209 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )   |   | |
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Though the tube looks beyond help(?), it's got style!
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Post# 989635 , Reply# 1   4/6/2018 at 07:12 (2,208 days old) by countryford (Austin, MN)   |   | |
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The tube has what they call, cataracts. Basically what it is, is there is an outer glass piece on the outside of the picture tube that is glued on. The cataracts can be removed. It can be repaired, it just a extensive process. Basically removing the glass and glue and re applying the glass with new glue. Assuming there is nothing else wrong with the tube/tv, you could still watch tv on that set. |
Post# 989638 , Reply# 2   4/6/2018 at 07:52 (2,208 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Justin has already pointed out the solution for this tube. We've got some 1950's B/W sets in which I've replaced the tube/chassis with a LED TV and kept the surround. Sure, you lose some picture, but it looks great. While vacuum tubes are great for audio - better than solid state for a variety of reasons - they weren't ideal for color TV, to put it mildly. |
Post# 989788 , Reply# 4   4/7/2018 at 16:07 (2,207 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Have it restored, a round tube color set has the most beautiful life like color of anything ever devised! |
Post# 989880 , Reply# 6   4/8/2018 at 08:02 (2,206 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Post# 989997 , Reply# 7   4/9/2018 at 00:45 (2,206 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Big reason musicians LOVE tubes-just that the soft clipping-HARD clipping from SS amps is hard on both ears and speakers!SS amps can work well-just don't overdrive them wether for Hi-fi or guitars. |
Post# 990024 , Reply# 8   4/9/2018 at 08:27 (2,205 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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His 1969 design really does sound good as does his later mod (1979? 80?). Generally speaking, though, it's a problem of marketing (the more watts the better!) and a rather interesting characteristic of tubes vs. SS. Tubes are most linear at the lower output which is most often listened to. SS is least linear at the lower output levels most listened to in high-powered amps. The solution is obvious: Instead of 100 or 300 or 500 Watt SS amps, 10 watt amps. But nobody will believe this or follow this guideline. And, yes, I know modern circuitry has made the 'lab' tests of both types look outstanding. On a side note, I've read that one reason early CDs and other digital recordings sounded so awful was because sound engineers were also working with, at that time, 'new' SS microphone pre-amps and they clipped very hard at the levels which worked perfectly with the tube preamps they'd been used to. Class A is a horrendous power waster, but there's a lot to be said for it: No crossover distortion and even SS can put out a decent attack. Here's one of Hood's first designs. Goodness - you'd want a heatsink of several kilograms!
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Post# 990046 , Reply# 9   4/9/2018 at 11:38 (2,205 days old) by newvista58 (Northern NJ)   |   | |
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That is an RCA New Vista Color set. Those
sets make Everything look as if they are in Technicolor. I have 3 of them. They are fixable and usable. Today's over the air Digital signals are broadcast in what was the UHF band. Putting a Conventional aerial on the roof and feeding it into a Digital-to-Analog converter, before going into the set, will give you a Good Picture. To the best of my knowledge, this set is Mid-sixties and most likely has a CTC-16 or CTC-20 chassis. Both are good strong runners. Mid 60s saw the end the end of RCA Roundies. Someone should definitely save this set. I would if I could. I have a friend who has been watching his vintage sets with at least 50 Over the channel, here in NJ, coming from NYC and Philly. There are still ways to keep these in use. |
Post# 990169 , Reply# 11   4/10/2018 at 08:13 (2,204 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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And the 'D' means neither 'digital' nor SS can, if properly built, sound quite good. Not as good as a single-ended Class A triode in a perfectly designed and equipped amp, of course, but really not bad, at all. Their main advantage lies in their efficiency at high output. At low output, they're actually close to or even slightly less efficient than really efficient Class AB solid state amps. They're the reason a lot of portable audio sounds much better today than it used to. |
Post# 990170 , Reply# 12   4/10/2018 at 08:18 (2,204 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)   |   | |
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iirc are due to a hard plastic layer applied with glue to the CRT tube glass in order to make it more shatterproof. One way to get it off is to let it sit out on a hot summer day and also use a heat gun while slowly peeling it off starting at one edge.
Sound of SS vs tubes: not only soft clipping but also the fact that tube distortion tends to be predominantly of even-order harmonics, 2,4,6 &c, vs mainly odd-order harmonic distortion products in solid state amplification, which have been found to cause a perceived "harsher" sound quality, according to research done by IEEE and detailed in an article in their journal "Spectrum" some years back. |
Post# 990174 , Reply# 13   4/10/2018 at 08:40 (2,204 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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To be fair, of course, no properly operating audio amp should have audible harmonic distortion. It's also true that all humans (even ones who can't hear the difference between A and A'') feel genuine discomfort when third order harmonics are audible. Fourth and fifth order harmonics are pretty much negligible even in a bad SS amp. Second order harmonics can be used in moderation to produce a pleasant sound and it's really easy to do this in a tube amp without increasing the third order harmonics to audible level. It's much harder to do in a SS amp (yes, darlings, MOSFETS, we know).
Clipping, of course, is the real problem facing SS equipment designers. Not only are tubes inherently more linear at real-world volume levels, their clipping artifacts are less horrid when transient than SS. While, on paper, one can make the argument that skew (or attack or rise time or whatever term makes you happy) is equally good in a really well built SS amp and a really well built tube amp, there's no way around what really good testing equipment shows: Tubes attack faster and one needn't fight the 'ring' which haunts SS amps with super fast rise times.
I suspect, though, it's the cross-over distortion of badly setup/designed SS amps which people are 'hearing' and causing them to prefer Class A tubes. Who wouldn't? |
Post# 990187 , Reply# 14   4/10/2018 at 11:24 (2,204 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)   |   | |
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one is hard pressed to find musicians of almost any sort, or top recording engineers for that matter, who haven't gone back to tubes. A friend who is the latter had to build his own new Fairchild 660 tube compressor/limiter clone, not being able to afford the $50k+ that they can bring nowadays. Pete Townsend is owner of one. The only audio I've ever regretted having sold are a tube Fairchild 248 preamp and 2 amps, made around 1960, imo those will never be equaled.
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Post# 990188 , Reply# 15   4/10/2018 at 11:26 (2,204 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)   |   | |
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Post# 990239 , Reply# 16   4/10/2018 at 19:43 (2,204 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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