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Post# 990532   4/13/2018 at 07:57 (429 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Hello to everyone. I'm going to make myself a present and buy me a new washing machine. I would like to try the new gorenje washers, the wave active line. It will be available the next week, so I will take a look and get one. The washer is this one on the picture. It would be great to get also him along with the washer :-P

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Post# 990533 , Reply# 1   4/13/2018 at 07:59 (429 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Some other pictures...

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Post# 990534 , Reply# 2   4/13/2018 at 08:00 (429 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Post# 990535 , Reply# 3   4/13/2018 at 08:02 (429 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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... and a promotional video



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Post# 990564 , Reply# 4   4/13/2018 at 11:49 (429 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Go for it Ingemar!

You're hot, and still young! He looks a bit Bulgarian.
There is a hot Bulgarian doctor at the hospital I volunteer at, but he is hetero.
Once now and then though, they are as we say, too hot to be str8.
Best of luck and happiness to you. I hope you find someone special to share life with!


Post# 990570 , Reply# 5   4/13/2018 at 12:34 (429 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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LOL Mike :-)) you made me laugh. Thanks for the compliment and for the best wishes.

Post# 990717 , Reply# 6   4/14/2018 at 15:43 (428 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
Nice machines!

I like the styling: the control panel looks clean and tidy.

The door on this new rangelooks similar to the Slovenian Panasonics... but Gorenge appears to have improved it... it now has double-glazing.

The Panasonic single-glazed version on the other hand, looks half-finished, like a 'work in progress', or just plain cheap.


Post# 990724 , Reply# 7   4/14/2018 at 17:43 (428 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
I must be losing me mind...

... I can't spell Gorenje correctly! Yikes!

Post# 990730 , Reply# 8   4/14/2018 at 18:28 (428 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
WaveActive specifications

Apparently it has a 15 deg C wash... more than a little too low for me!

And... a sealed door unit:
"The large door, made from a single piece of plastic without any screws ensures stability, prevents annoying squeaks or creaks. It opens out to a full 180 degrees, so emptying and loading the drum is as easy as can be."

Hmm.


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Post# 990803 , Reply# 9   4/15/2018 at 10:10 (427 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Hi Rolls Rapide,

yes I also like the styling. I'm really curious about this machine and can't wait to try it. In the promotional video at some point the interior of the drum is visible (see picture) and I saw the shape of the new nozzle for the recirculation waterfall. I really like washing machines with recirculation, not only because it is fun to watch but because the recirculation really improves the washing action.


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Post# 990830 , Reply# 10   4/15/2018 at 13:21 (427 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
Recirculation jet

I agree.

The recirculation jet is very useful for saturating the laundry quicker, for mixing the detergent more thoroughly, and reducing the amount of 'stop-start' fills that some other machines seem to do.

I don't know why Electrolux/Zanussi/AEG removed the recirculation jet from most of their machines.

I think that it is a sensible feature - especially with the 'ever decreasing' water consumption of modern machines. I have encountered standard machines 'filled to the gunwales', where the load never gets properly drenched. Conversely, a similar load in a machine with the recirculation jet, does get properly soaked.


Post# 990929 , Reply# 11   4/16/2018 at 05:59 (426 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Morning Ingemar

We agree on both your choices, firstly for the best appliance manufacturer around without having PRC on the label and secondly well...err, Lol !!

Looks great , love the styling, like the 70`s silver hi-fi minimal meets new age !! The style of nozzle is similar to V-Zug, sleek but powerful, have been very impressed with nozzle on the Servis Vestel which really sprays n soaks...

Looking forward to hearing your reviews from your home manufacturer !!

Oh Callum, ya need to practice lol...pronounced Gor En Ya !!



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Post# 990930 , Reply# 12   4/16/2018 at 06:20 (426 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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And the Zug jet, steady stream action....

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Post# 990934 , Reply# 13   4/16/2018 at 07:29 (426 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
"ya need to practice lol...pronounced Gor En Ya !!"

Yes, well - it must have been a moment of madness, Lol. What probably didn't help was me reading something previously about someone pronouncing it as in "orange"!

It is peculiar how a manufacturer (Zanussi) can introduce a feature (recirculation jet) and then effectively lose their way.

Meanwhile, other manufacturers 'grab the baton and run with it' and do a substantially better job. The Servis jet looks quite powerful, a bit like a Hoover Twintub pumping out.


Post# 990996 , Reply# 14   4/16/2018 at 15:53 (426 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Hello Mike & Rolls rapide,

yes "gor en yeah" that would be the pronunciation ;-) I know it may be a bit complicated, but it is normal if it isn't your language.

Hahaha "orange" is funny. I'm used to it. A friend from Italy when he saw the brand he sad it a "gorengy".

Here is a commercial you can listen to.

Indeed it is a bit odd that Electrolux/Zanussi/AEG removed the recirculation jet.

Yes the nozzle of the Sevis seems great, very powerful. We do have a lot of Beko (Arçelik) appliances but we don't have any of Vestel ones. I think that the Turks are also doing a good job in the appliances market.

Anyway as soon as I get the machine I will keep updating ;-)


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Post# 991017 , Reply# 15   4/16/2018 at 19:53 (426 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
"I will keep updating ;-) "

Yes - please do!

Post# 994548 , Reply# 16   5/18/2018 at 15:51 (394 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Hi guys, sorry I didn't forget to update you ...

The fact is that the new WaveActive models are coming out step by step. First the 6 and 7 kg capacity, which are already available. In June the 8 kg range and in August the 9 and 10 kg premium line. And the 10 kg + steam is the model I'm going to buy, so I have to wait a little longer.

In the meantime, I can send you another video where you can see closer the details of the machine.

So stay tuned ...

Ingemar


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Post# 994695 , Reply# 17   5/20/2018 at 07:37 (392 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
"...I didn't forget to update you ... "

Ah, I had wondered.

It's typical of companies to shift the goalposts. Maybe with the extended delay, they'll have any early production niggles ironed out by then. So, good luck!


Post# 994820 , Reply# 18   5/21/2018 at 12:49 (391 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

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Hi Ingemar

Really looking forward to you getting it!!

Big fan of Gorenje so looking forward to seeing what these are like.

Keep us updated... have you spotted any English user manuals yet?... only found Russian so far :/


Post# 994822 , Reply# 19   5/21/2018 at 13:19 (391 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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Great looking machines! However unavailable here. In the past Gorenje products were sold under the Hollandia label, but that was ages ago.

Post# 994887 , Reply# 20   5/22/2018 at 05:40 (390 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Hi Adam

As soon as I get it I will report for sure ;-)

No, sorry, haven't seen it jet. But where have you spotted the Russian one? I'm curious to see it



Post# 994888 , Reply# 21   5/22/2018 at 05:47 (390 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Thank you Louis,

I didn't know this. Does Hollandia brand still exists?

Gorenje is present in the Netherlands with their brands ATAG, Pelgrim and Etna.


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Post# 994893 , Reply# 22   5/22/2018 at 06:27 (390 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
UPO

I think Which? once commented upon the Finnish UPO brand in a washing machine test in the late sixties.

Post# 994919 , Reply# 23   5/22/2018 at 11:28 (390 days old) by Gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Yes UPO are now Gorenje machines, but in the past they were also rebadget Italian ARDO or Turkish Vestel or something else. Or just pristine Finnish made real UPOs. The most famous were their compact toploading tumble action washers.

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Post# 994926 , Reply# 24   5/22/2018 at 12:22 (390 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, the Netherlands)        

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The Hollandia label still exists, but only for microwaves and fridges AFAIK. Haven't seen Hollandia washing machines in ages.

Yes, I know of Atag, Pelgrim and Etna. Those were the three main manufacturers of gas stoves in the Netherlands.


Post# 994951 , Reply# 25   5/22/2018 at 16:15 (390 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

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Hey Ingemar,

I've only found this manual so far.

If you follow the link, the manual is downloadable by clicking the book icon further down the page, under support/document section.


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Post# 994980 , Reply# 26   5/23/2018 at 05:15 (389 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
Ukranian user manual

Interesting, thanks for posting link.

I see (with copying and pasting the text into google translator) that the transit bars and brackets are removed, but the screws are replaced and plastic covers fitted.

On my Panasonic, the bars, brackets and screws are removed, and there were no bungs to cover the holes.

I would say, on balance, that the Gorenje machine seems to be the more polished machine with attention to detail. I am quite impressed! :)


Post# 995023 , Reply# 27   5/23/2018 at 15:52 (389 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Yes Ukrainian user manual ... interesting

Thank you Adam ;-)

Now I've found also the Serbian user manual. It's also interesting to see that on some models there is a light indicator which turns on when it's time to clean the pump filter.

... I'm becoming impatient :-P


Post# 1011761 , Reply# 28   10/22/2018 at 05:18 (237 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Here it is finally ...

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Hello guys, so my new Gorenje Waveactive is here. I bought the one without the steam generator because those are not yet for sale and I was impatient to have a new washer. I made 3 loads including an extremly dirty loads of whites.

So far I'm very happy with it. The spin cycles are much better than the previous sensocare generation, so no more annoying distibutions of the load before stating.



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Post# 1011763 , Reply# 29   10/22/2018 at 05:26 (237 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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It hase lots of programs, the doseaid feature which according to the load determines how much detergent must be added. The ion wash which adds ionized air and lots of other options....

The thing I love the most is the new recirculating spray because it is so powerful.


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Post# 1011772 , Reply# 30   10/22/2018 at 07:01 (237 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Post# 1011779 , Reply# 31   10/22/2018 at 08:46 (237 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        

Nice machine! The styling looks quite elegant - almost Siemens-y.

I like the pattern of drum holes on your machine. I also like the drum lifters/paddles (similar to Bosch/Siemens but with an actual twist), and the recirculation jet is indeed powerful (old Zanussi style).

Is that an LED drum light in photo #2?

And does this machine have an optical sensor in the sump, like the Panasonics had?

How easy is it to turn the drum by hand?

Turning my machine's drum by hand, I've noticed on my Panasonic (Gorenje made) that:
(a) The drum sometimes seems a little stiff, almost as though something is binding on the drum shaft - occasionally it squeaks;

(b) Other times, the drum mostly gives 'clunks' as it is turned by hand (bearings?);

(c) And on several occasions I've detected an odd drum vibration, a chuntering feel - like when you file down a block of metal which has a 'grain'.


Post# 1011823 , Reply# 32   10/22/2018 at 18:00 (237 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Glad to see you have your new washing machine Ingemar, nothing like unboxing and the "New Smell" , looking forward to hearing your reviews...

The recirculation spray certainly seems very powerful and to soak spray the clothes. is it on all the time and for rinses ??

Cheers, Mike


Post# 1011884 , Reply# 33   10/23/2018 at 04:09 (236 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
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Hi, thank you

Well the drum isn't that hard to turn, but also not that "easy" as on a direct drive machine.

My father has a 4 years old Gorenje Sensocare (previuos generation) and it also squeaks sometimes, but I guess al this is because of the belt, because when the machines "heats up" the squeaking stops.

Try to rub the inside of the driving belt with a hard soap. This usualy hepls.

How happy are you with your Panasonic?

Yes that is a LED drum light.
No this machine have not an optical sensor in the pump. My old Use Logic Gorenje from 2005 had it, but I rarely activeted it in the rince cylce.


Post# 1011885 , Reply# 34   10/23/2018 at 04:19 (236 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Mike

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Hi Mike, thanks mate,

Yes I was so excited because I was waiting for it a long time.

The recirculation spray turns on and off during the wash and rinse cycle. On the Sensocare generation the pump were on constantly after the temperature was reached, but this jet on this machine is more powerful than the previous.

Also the Ionized Air generator turns on and off but on some programs it is on almost constantly.


Post# 1011887 , Reply# 35   10/23/2018 at 05:09 (236 days old) by countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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That is a nice looking machine. I bet it would be fun to use. Did the guy from the first post, come with the machine? :)


Post# 1011891 , Reply# 36   10/23/2018 at 07:48 (236 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
@gorenje:

Thanks, the Panasonic is okay-ish - but to be honest, I expected a bit more quality.

The optical sensor on mine only really seems to detect during the wash. Therefore powders in solution are seen as opaque, lengthening time; liquids generally are seen to be transparent, reducing time.

For rinsing, I think the machine logs the inability to redistribute - and adds a dilution rinse. If the water is too foamy, I think the pressure vessel/sensor detects that, and adds a dilution rinse. I've never gotten the impression that the optical sensor actually had a hand in the rinse decision making.

Things I do like:

> Mixing of detergent by distribution tumbles;
> Powder drawer stays closed - even on violent spin cycles;
> Zero-delay door interlock;
> Large, very easy-to-read display;
> The idea of wash solution recirculation...;
> Filter compartment has a pouring spout (previous Panasonic dribbled water down between the kick-plate and the machine itself).

Things I don't like:

> Attempting to redistribute the load for spinning is irritating;
> Programme times;
> Spins can be a bit violent;
> A small shard of concrete came adrift(!);
> The filter access panel rattles - and would benefit from a Bosch style thumb-release catch - having to resort to screwdrivers to open it is madness;
> The recirculation implementation could have been better executed. This one has a common manifold with three outlets. They have a tendency to clog with lint.



Post# 1011970 , Reply# 37   10/24/2018 at 03:39 (236 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
@Countryford

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Hi Justin,

hahahaha I was hoping the same ! It would be so damn good, he is so grrrrrrrrrr :D


Post# 1011971 , Reply# 38   10/24/2018 at 03:50 (235 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
@ Rolls_rapide

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Thank you for your detailed description. Well I agree with you. Your Panasonic is in fact just a bit different SensoCare machine. So I agree with you on the things you dislike, especially for the distibution on the spin cycle.

This new Waveactive machine also distibute the laundry when it is not properly distributed obviusly, but it does it much better than the SensoCare generation (or your Panasonic)


Post# 1011972 , Reply# 39   10/24/2018 at 04:04 (235 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Whites test

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I washed an extremly dirty load of whites on 90*C.

I know that on the pictures I made it isn't so clear how badly the load was dirty (and maybe better this way, because I'm already ashamed)

The work socks, pillow cases and mattress covere were on purpose soiled so much for the test. You have also to know that the dirt was very set in because it has been put aside.

I used the cotton cycle with the prewash on 90*C. One scoop of regular powdered detergent (nothing special) and one small scoop of oxy powder.




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Post# 1011973 , Reply# 40   10/24/2018 at 04:05 (235 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
The results

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Everything came out spotless and white again.

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Post# 1011980 , Reply# 41   10/24/2018 at 06:42 (235 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
@ gorenje:

Thanks. Yes, my machine is not all it could be. So effectively, I bought an earlier Gorenje, before all the niggly problems were ironed out? That figures.

Infact, the bloomin' jet has just clogged again - I thought I heard strange gurgles yesterday, and a constant drip from the gasket when the machine was empty, with the door ajar. It dripped onto the door glass, dribbled down the glass, onto the floor.

So it'll be clamp-band off, loosen door seal, pull off hose, pull out the manifold, clean and replace. I wonder how many run-of-the-mill owners never noticed this deficiency and end up with pump trouble?

The oddity with this machine is, the recirculation hose is secured to the jet manifold by push-fit... and a standard cable-tie. Not even a decent clamp. I keep imagining that a blockage might allow back-pressure to pop off the hose, flooding the base, kitchen and worse.

(Memorandum to myself: NEVER, EVER believe the marketing bumf! It's always nonsense.)


Post# 1011981 , Reply# 42   10/24/2018 at 06:54 (235 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
@ gorenje:

"The Results..." = They're white - right through!!! :-)

I really do think you got the better machine, very happy washing with it.

I consider mine to be quite sore on clothes; cotton lint seems to be too easily liberated.


Post# 1012011 , Reply# 43   10/24/2018 at 15:07 (235 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Cant complain at those results Ingemar, Is the pre-wash at 40d temp??

Love the graphics on the display, especially the water waves lol.




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Post# 1012012 , Reply# 44   10/24/2018 at 15:11 (235 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
Button respinsiveness

When I checked those out at IFA this year I had a hard time getting the buttons to respond to presses even half of the time.
That might have been the machines running for days on end.

But do you have issues with that? Or are they as responsive as they should be?


Post# 1012148 , Reply# 45   10/26/2018 at 04:24 (233 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
@ Rolls_rapide

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Ouch... sorry to hear all these problems with your machine.

"I bought an earlier Gorenje, before all the niggly problems were ironed out?"

Well yes, could be....

Fortunately now they've changed strategy at Gorenje and they listen a lot what consumers says about problems with their products.
The Senso Care generation (and your Panasonic) were in fact good machines in many aspects but with some problems (distribution befor spin, motor..)

In fact now with this Waveactive range they waited to go out with the TOL model (the one with the steam generator I wanted to buy) because it first passed the tests but something wasn't as should be, so they have changed and are re-testing the machine before put it on the market.

So far this machine seems really well done.

Hehe yes they are white right through as they should be ! :-)


Post# 1012149 , Reply# 46   10/26/2018 at 04:29 (233 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
@ Chestermikeuk

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Hi Mike,

oops I could not answer, I really don't know but I guess it is at 30d

Yes it is indeed stylish :-)


Post# 1012150 , Reply# 47   10/26/2018 at 04:31 (233 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
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Hi Henrik,

no, no problems with that. They are responsive as they should be luckily :)


Post# 1012163 , Reply# 48   10/26/2018 at 07:15 (233 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
"Button responsiveness"

I experience that with the Panasonic too. I've also noticed that attempting to activate the touchpads with damp hands elicits a quick response. And it seems to prefer the pad of the finger or thumb too.


"Fortunately now they've changed strategy at Gorenje and they listen a lot what consumers says about problems with their products."

(That's a good sign).


"The Senso Care generation (and your Panasonic) were in fact good machines in many aspects but with some problems (distribution before spin, motor..)"

Motor?! What's wrong with the motor?


Post# 1012484 , Reply# 49   10/29/2018 at 16:13 (230 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
@ Rolls_rapide

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Sorry for the late response,

well some motors on the SensoCare generation were faulty but they changed them.


Post# 1012619 , Reply# 50   10/30/2018 at 09:28 (229 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        

My machine apparently has a Panasonic motor (but I don't know if this is a Gorenje motor rebadged, or Panasonics's own, or another manufacturer altogether.

Here's a pic or two from the internet. Courtesy of Ebay.


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Post# 1015286 , Reply# 51   11/21/2018 at 10:16 (207 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
@ Rolls_rapide

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OMG sorry for the late replay !

These are the motors of the SensoCare. Now I can tell it's not the same motor


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Post# 1015402 , Reply# 52   11/22/2018 at 07:44 (206 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
"OMG sorry for the late reply! "

That's okay, you're only about a month late... :-) LOL

Post# 1015431 , Reply# 53   11/22/2018 at 14:52 (206 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
" only about a month late... "

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I know, I know, shame on me !!

:-P


Post# 1015487 , Reply# 54   11/23/2018 at 05:17 (205 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        

How goes your new machine? Does it perform as you expect it to?

Post# 1015733 , Reply# 55   11/25/2018 at 14:15 (203 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Well yes it does indeed.

I'm happy with it. The washing results are very good.

I bought it because I was really curious to see the changes in comparison with the SensoCare line which I use at my father's place and I have to say I like what I see.
I haven't tried all the programs yet. I'm a bit reluctant to try the 59 minutes ion wash because it's quite short but sooner or later I'll try it with a light soiled load.

It is quiet but in certain cases spinning at 1400 rpm isn't that quiet like a Miele or Siemens, but ok it also isn't a Miele and it also depends on the load.


Post# 1015760 , Reply# 56   11/25/2018 at 18:46 (203 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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Glad you’re pleased with it, Ingemar. Especially after that long wait!

Post# 1015834 , Reply# 57   11/26/2018 at 07:47 (202 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
"spinning at 1400 rpm isn't that quiet..."

I notice with the Panasonic that the interim spins between the rinses can be in perfect balance - so smooth and quiet - yet the final spin at 1400rpm or 1600rpm is never achieved. Instead, a noisy roar of a spin at about a 1000rpm takes place. This actually happened yesterday. Irritating to say the least.

I let it finish, then I untangled the load, rebalanced it manually, and an ultra-smooth spin at 1600rpm happened.

I just wish that the spin programming had a tad more common sense. Frequently it achieves balance, does a low speed spin, then tumbles itself into a fankle again. It would be better to stay in spin - and simply ramp up.


Post# 1016104 , Reply# 58   11/28/2018 at 16:18 (200 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
@ Supersuds

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Thank you very much John :-)

Yes really the wait was long indeed.


Post# 1016108 , Reply# 59   11/28/2018 at 16:39 (200 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
@ Rolls_rapide

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... ohh yes I know that...

I've experienced this on the SensoCare of my father especially with a full load of sheets.

And that's the main improvement on this Wave Active new line.
Actually the Senso Care line (and apparently also the Panasonics made by Gorenje) are in fact good washers but with this problem with long distributions on the spin cycle. The generation before the Senso Care, the Use Logic generation were perfect in the spin cycle and from what I have experienced the Wave Active are also very good.


Post# 1016115 , Reply# 60   11/28/2018 at 17:24 (200 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
SensoCare

SensoCare machines generally were very recommendable budget machines.

For 230€ you get a 6kg (54l) 1400rpm brushed motor machine with more cycles and options then anything at a comparable price.
Add a 50€ extended warranty and you have a decent machine for the years coming.



They do have some drawbacks:
Longer cycle times in general.
Rinsing can be an issue on larger loads.
Verry small loads are washed verry inefficient due to the filling algorithm.
Sometimes weirded option exclusions.
Limited lifespan.




One quick question: The SensoCare line had a delicates hand wash cycle that allowed a prewash and so did the sports cycle that allowed prewash, both were verry good for curtains.

Does the WaveActive have a similar cycle (high water level, thorough but gentle action, prewash, preferably no interim spins)?


Post# 1016199 , Reply# 61   11/29/2018 at 08:25 (199 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        
@henene4:

"Very small loads are washed very inefficiently due to the filling algorithm."

What happens? Does it use too much water?

I have noticed with the Panasonic that small loads that call for the minimum of water, have a weird effect on the fabric conditioner compartment flush. Usually, there are three measured conditioner fill-flushes with a normal load. Very small loads sometimes seem to cause a partial 'hiccup' fill, where the compartment partly fills, but never achieves the siphon level.

A similar effect seems to be when an extra rinse is automatically added due to inability to spin between rinses (out of balance or excess foam; sometimes both). These extra 'auto' rinses fill via the prewash compartment. I am presuming than the cross water flow partly dribbles into the middle (conditioner) section by gravity.

Personally, I think these extra automatically-inserted rinses are a complete waste of water. Basically they fill via the prewash section, tumble back and forth for a few minutes, then pump out, no recirculation pump, no spin, progressing directly to a proper rinse.

Proper rinses on the other hand, fill via the mainwash compartment, tumble to and fro, activate the recirculation pump about three times per rinse, topping up with water where required, then drain, then spins or attempts to spin several times.



"Limited lifespan."

How so? Bearings? Electronics? Crumbling concrete?



"Rinsing can be an issue on larger loads."

I think that the proper rinses could indeed be doing with a few minutes longer to thoroughly rinse. They seem to be rather short, and drain shortly after doing topping-up. I would lengthen those, but get rid of the half-hearted auto rinses.

I don't know why in this day and age of computerisation and sensors, that in order to tackle foam suds-lock, they can't just switch the fill valve on for, say, 5 seconds, then pump out for 30 seconds. And repeat where required. It would save gallons of water and clear the excess suds.


Post# 1016204 , Reply# 62   11/29/2018 at 08:45 (199 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        

We have a slim line SensoCare here in the flat share, and there are several things to notice.

First, it always fills to same level on the first fill except for the 17min cycle, and that level is about 1/3rd up the drum. Isn't much water per se (it's a 42l drum, so maybe 10l).
But for half a load, that is plenty of water, for less even more so. So you can end up with your load of 5 T-shirts swimming on a cotton cycle.
Same minimum fill is used for rinses.

Rinse interim spins tend to easily sudslock. If they do, as long as you do not select the Anti Allergy cycle, all it does is stop the spin, add water until the first trigger point of the level switch, drain again, and run the next rinse.
The bigger the load the more problematic that becomes.

They are the cheapest budget machines after all.
For less than 300€ for most models you can't expect much.
There are weak spots on PCBs and motors, so it's often 3 years and out.
Bearings most surprisingly not all that often.


Post# 1016208 , Reply# 63   11/29/2018 at 09:52 (199 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        

Thank you for the reply.

Post# 1016209 , Reply# 64   11/29/2018 at 10:24 (199 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
Side note

When my brother moved out from home 2 and a bit years ago I was tasked to search for appliances for his flat share and they did buy THE bargain washer to this day: A Gorenje SensoCare W6840.

That is a 6kg (54l) 1400rpm A+++ rated washer with the typical SensoCare cycle selection and wash system, brushed motor.

Retails for a staggering 220€ here in Germany. Back then you paid 230€ for the cheapest price including shipping. The same store offered a 5 year warranty for just 45€ for that machine as it is a cheap thing to replace.
Today that same store charges 35€ for delivery, but from time to time they do have sales.



That machine does basicly exactly the same as our slimline does, so I do make the assumption that no matter which drum size of machine you buy (42l, 54l or 64l), the same cycles, sensing algorithms, PCB, motor, pump, piping are used, basicly EVERYTHING is interchangable.
Heck, as far as I remember even the cycle times are the same.

I think that was the key to their price: Mass. Just use the same parts in a plug and play design and you save tons in production.




I do suppose with their new generation they did essentially the same, but the prices are now higher than before for similar features, except for the TOL where many new features are prevalent.

I will gladly recommend any Gorenje machine to a relative or family member of they are ok with the few draw backs.
Biggest gripe for most would probably actually be cycle time's, they aren't eternal, but quick is certainly different.

Maybe they worked on that for their new machines.


Post# 1016239 , Reply# 65   11/29/2018 at 16:17 (199 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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P.S.

Here in Slovenia we get 5 years of warranty on any Gorenje appliance for free. Without additional charging.


Post# 1016241 , Reply# 66   11/29/2018 at 16:25 (199 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
@ Henene4

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Well, on the Wave Active generation the prewash on the handwash (wool) cycle isn't possible anymore.

But it is possible on the Down Wear program.


Post# 1016410 , Reply# 67   12/1/2018 at 05:57 (197 days old) by Rolls_rapide (0)        

On the Panasonic, the 'Wool/Handwash' programme has no option for prewash. 'Delicates' does have prewash. As does the 'Sportswear' programme.

It is interesting that you mention the same bits being used across the ranges. I came across a service manual for the Panasonic. It seemed to suggest that the tub drum assembly (sealed together as one component) in my 8kg machine, was actually listed as a 10kg component.


Post# 1016428 , Reply# 68   12/1/2018 at 08:43 (197 days old) by henene4 (Germany)        
Panasonic Tub

Panasonic used one tub across their upper line machines.
Same for Gen 1 and 2, redesigned for Gen 3 and 4 and a new one for Gen 5.





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