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Thread Number: 75247
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
GE top loaders, why so much hate? |
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Post# 990747 , Reply# 3 4/14/2018 at 20:24 (2,193 days old) by wayupnorth  (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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My neighbor has one of those GE impeller, junk crap. Saves water, load barely gets wet and have to do 4 loads in what their old top loader Whirlpool did. Energy star rating up up your a.. She cant wait until it dies and hates it and wants to go back to a regular top load that fills to the top, uses hot water when you want it and can do less loads. Told them not to buy it.
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| Post# 990770 , Reply# 7 4/15/2018 at 01:24 (2,193 days old) by speedqueen (Metro-Detroit) | ||
 Sell it on a heavy discount, I know of one that couldn't have seen more than 500 cycles before the transmission failed. It was used by a widowed lady for a year or so, then her son for another year of regular usage but in both cases for only one person living in the northern MI house trailer which was sold to one of my father's friends who owned the place and used it as a vacation home and hunting location for another 10 years before the washer failed. Over that 10 years, however, it couldn't have seen more than 10-12 cycles a year. Very little usage, when it failed I think it stopped agitating but would still spin and drain fine. | ||
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Post# 990778 , Reply# 8 4/15/2018 at 03:20 (2,193 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Where to begin
Short fast strokes, poor turn over, poor cleaning, tears clothes, honey comb tub reinforcement the holds dirt/lint/water and molds up, timer advances and drains with lid open, squeaking suspension, machine balances well until it doesn't- the tub will actually slam against the cabinet until it cracks and/or bends the frame. Its happened to me- first time no damage but surprisingly nothing looked out of balance either. And even the drain hose has to punish the user- you can't fit your own.
With a DA agitator however they aren't that bad- you do get some improvement. Rinsing is good. Spin is good. Minus the drain pump spin is quiet. Hydro-wave is really Quiet. The biggest issue however by far is longevity. Around me there are apartment complexes loaded with GEs- hundred unit buildings with these washers. Let me say that scrap pile was full of them, some no more than a a year old. Most common is failed transmission, bearing noise, leaking water, slow pump, bad timer, broken tub straps, broken selectors... even saw a split drain hose. These washers are beyond a joke in so many ways. What makes it so much more insulting is that these came after one of the most respected washers, the GE filter flo. Seeing GE go from durable and easy to fix to a rip off is really heart breaking. But its not surprise. These washers came at a time when GE decided to maximize profit and take advantage of their reputation built up in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Now even landlords know to stay away from GE and so goes the appliance division to Hieir. If you really want to sell a washer sell a DD. They last- and are easy to fix- and outperform just about anything money can buy. | ||
| Post# 990813 , Reply# 11 4/15/2018 at 11:33 (2,193 days old) by KenmoreBD (Mass, usa ) | ||
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My personal washer is a 2012 Hydrowave, my folks have a 2011. Both do a fine job, although I wish they would fill with a full tub of water. Everything comes out clean, although during spin the washer is rather loud. | ||
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Post# 990835 , Reply# 12 4/15/2018 at 14:07 (2,193 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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no filter-flo or minibasket No filter-flo nor minibasket. There's no aircraft suspension anymore so it may seem it will fall apart. I've had one myself. | ||
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Post# 990839 , Reply# 13 4/15/2018 at 14:33 (2,193 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA) |
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I had a 2000
It was the top of the line model. I averaged 8--10 loads a week. Mine lasted 12 years. The Mode shifter finally acted up, and I replaced it with Maytags. I had no repairs done in the 12 years I used it, and the dryer never had a single repair. I think folks can be hard on brands they don't care for . I personally don't care for Whirlpool, but that doesn't make them horrible. Just Say'in.
Hugs, David | ||
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Post# 990843 , Reply# 14 4/15/2018 at 15:08 (2,193 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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I had a 2012 GE TL for almost 2 years and never had a problem with it. It filled to the top if necessary and was quick and effective in cleaning. The machine never falied to spin and never went out of balance. The controls were good old fashioned electro mechanical anad easy to use. It had a full fill rinse if the fabric softener option was selected and for all intents and purposes preformed just like an old time conventional TL.
The only reason that I got rid of it was due to the drought we were experiencing in Calif. at the time. I replaced it with an LG FL, that at first was OK, but I quickly became disenchanted with it due to its very inadequate fill levels, the need for water hammer arrestors, the extremely long cycle times due to its inability to go into a spin without trying for sometimes 30 mins to find a sweet spot, and then still not spinning. Sometimes it took almost 2 1/2 hrs. to wash a load of clothes. I want an automatic washer to be just that, automatic, without the need for constant babysitting. After 15 months of this nonsense I replaced it with a Maytag MVWC415EW HE TL, which I love! It reaches a happy medium in water usage, never fails to spin and consistently completes every load in 50 to 60 mins, depending upon the soil level selected and whether or not I select a pre soak option. The hot water comes out the same temp as my hot water heater, 125 F. It’s been one of my very favorite washers that I have owned out of the 23 different washers I’ve owned over 46 years. I think that GE TL’s got a bad rap, at least the ones that had an agitator. Now the impeller models I have now experience with, and I have noe doubt that they were problematic. Just my two cents worth. Eddie | ||
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Post# 990866 , Reply# 16 4/15/2018 at 18:40 (2,192 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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DD and Hydrowaves
DDs on low Speed with a DA provided gentle cleaning which is why Kenmore (and Whirlpool to various degrees) went to low speed on their normal cycle in the early 90s. And I think GE did the same with their electronic models latter on. But GE still could have used common sense and not put "delicate" on an all fast permanent press cycle without soaks and intermittent agitation. However when all is said and done cleaning is better on the DDs then the GEs IMO.
Hydro-waves are a big improvement in several categories including longevity as compared to the model Ts, however as a whole they still somewhat lag behind. I know people say they saw model Ts that lasted 12 years and DDs that failed after 10 months, however as whole taking into account millions sold GEs can not compare in life expectancy. Appliance stores knows that, which is why they often scrap working GEs in favor of fixing broken DDs. The FFs were not perfect either- but still a lot better than what followed. GE does get hate, but that is GEs own doing. In the mid 90s they just stopped caring making some awful appliances and customer service (don't get me started) in the process. I think GE made their decision then on what to do with the future of their company, dropping trivial branches and heading for the high technology realm. The rest is squeezing what ever money they could out of reputation and then dropping it when word gets around. | ||
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Post# 991047 , Reply# 19 4/17/2018 at 04:39 (2,191 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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 My sis had one from around 95 or so. It started leaking oil and was slipping badly when trying to spin. I bought her a very nice orbital Maytag and she gave me her GE to tinker with. Found a new trans on ebay and swapped it out. Sold it for a profit. On a side note...when I took the basket out, I was shocked at all the Serratia marcescens that was on the outside of the tub in the molded plastic reinforcements. I doubt she ever used hot water, let alone any Clorox in that washer. I scrubbed it best I could and when I reassembled it I poured a whole bottle of Pine-sol in it, filled it with hot water and let it go to town. | ||
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Post# 991066 , Reply# 20 4/17/2018 at 07:46 (2,191 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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See Reply #1 Ge has not built or sold a durable laundry appliance since around 1995, they have sold a number of machines that perform pretty well, you can always tell how serious a laundry builder is by how well their commercial versions of their washers and dryers are received.
Take it from two company's that are in the service business working on laundry appliances GE is NOT a durable brand, and it is NOT and easy brand to do repairs on either.
Yes there are lots of people that have had a fairly good experience with GE laundry appliances, just as there were always stories of people that actually had good service out of WCI , Westinghouse and even Norge machines in the past, but it does not make them a good bet and they are not something a reputable company such as Eugene's or ours that we would ever promote and sell.
John L. | ||
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Post# 991068 , Reply# 21 4/17/2018 at 08:16 (2,191 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland ) |
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Just to clarify I don’t have any gripes about the performance of the Ge washers. My issue is with build quality and parts pricing. They didn’t make these Machines to be repaired. All Ge products are the text book definition of a throw away washer. | ||
| Post# 991078 , Reply# 23 4/17/2018 at 08:53 (2,191 days old) by John76 (USA) | ||
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I like the new GTW460ASJWW. Dual action agitator, allows you to select 4 water levels, extra rinse. I can’t think of any other current TL models with those features. | ||
| Post# 991080 , Reply# 24 4/17/2018 at 09:52 (2,191 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 991087 , Reply# 25 4/17/2018 at 10:43 (2,191 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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I have used a number of Hydrowaves....seriously a decent machine, if I had to live with a GE as my only machine, this would be one of them....had my doubts until I operated one....
very gentle wash action....slow full length strokes... yes, they didn't not fill to the top, a simple set screw adjustment fixed that... when it comes to fixing/repairs....now that is another question...... definitely not a fan of their regular machines and appliances.....you find them mostly in new homes as a contractor grade setup....and you will find them by the curb within the first year....not even worth picking up for scrap value | ||
| Post# 991095 , Reply# 26 4/17/2018 at 11:31 (2,191 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Post# 991192 , Reply# 29 4/17/2018 at 23:26 (2,190 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Serratia marcescens
And you think hot water and bleach would fix that? LOL!!!!!!! (Sorry, not trying to be rude or anything) You are talking to a person who abuses hot water, 150 at the time on the electric water heater. My GE TL was absolutely putrid when I pulled the basket out. There was even some mold toward the top. It was so bad I considered ordering a new basket but did not want to go through the social BDSM of their customer service. But OMG- it was appalling. Up until that point in time I never saw anything like it. The tub is almost scientifically engineered to trap moisture and line. The machines by the dumpsters were not better- actually worse. What first aroused my suspicion was when I would on occasion find grey slime wads on my clothes at the end of the cycle. I could not figure it out until I found what I was better not seeing.
As you might guess my hatred toward GE started with a 97 GE top-loader that I was forced to use for several years. The dryer was another bummer. It was quiet, but on PP it would shut off prematurely even when set to max needing to repeat the cycle 3 times on average (yahh 3), and on Regular it would just bake the clothes. I remember looking at the tech sheet and apparently there are a half dozen cycling thermostats and some complex heater lead/lag concept. For the love of God, its an economy dryer. Just use one heater, one cycling state and one bias. Add more time on the PP. ITs not hard. (And there is already a biased thermostat in there mind you LOL.) I mean its what BOL Whirlpool Roper dryers did without issue. I swear GE is a mix of ego, to smart for their own good and a lack of common sense. @Dustin92: Their Fridges from the 90s/2000s weren't bad in terms of longevity. I saw very few by the dumpster. Ranges even less unless they were dated and being thrown out due to a unit reno. About the only issue was the bottom shelf braking to which GE came out with a reinforced one which held up well. In fact it was the older self defrost fridges from the early 80s that made up 98% of the refrigeration pile. Common failure mode was refrigerant leaking. Where I don't know, but the evaporator plate coil (it would make up the floor and surface of the freezer) would be absolutely gnarled up. Looked like people were maybe scrapping the frost off. Probably were. Those things took like 12 oz of R12 btw. As for Ranges they are better than Whirlpool if you ask me in many key areas. I currently have a GE range and I am very pleased with it. | ||
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Post# 991193 , Reply# 30 4/17/2018 at 23:45 (2,190 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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And Oh...
One thing that I want to share/vent on here since I know you guys will get what I am talking about... It was GE and code making panel members who work for GE which put GFCI protection for Dishwashers into the code. The ROPs cited end of life failures and potential fire... So now the NEC basically mandates that we pay to correct poor engineering.
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| Post# 991325 , Reply# 32 4/18/2018 at 21:46 (2,189 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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my part of the story
from my memory I know I have wash laundry in a ge filter flo and that was back on 1998 after the big ice storm was on vacation with my mom they forgot or suitcase so once we where check in the rental home had to do laundry and the washer dryer was a ge filterflo I wish I could go back in time tro when my mom and I move I would of suggested to my mom to buy the ge filterflo but can not go back in time lol
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