Thread Number: 75715  /  Tag: Detergents and Additives
Miele Twindos & Ultraphase 1 / 2 almost a year on.
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Post# 995441   5/28/2018 at 12:37 by iej (Ireland)        

I thought I would just start a thread on the TwinDos Miele machines and their Ultraphase detergents.

Iíve been using the system for approximately a year at this stage an I have to say I am very satisfied with it. The detergent packs are working out as *cheaper* than typical top of the line stuff here in Ireland and they are really doing the job.

Each pack works out at Ä12.99, or slightly less if you buy them in kits of 5. Thatís actually significantly cheaper than Ariel and Persil here and itís very effective and convenient.

My laundry room is spotless since I switched over!

Iíve tried other detergents and the main thing Iím finding with Ultraphase is the clothes smell fantastic. Itís an old fashioned, very mild detergent smell that is extremely pleasant and smells clean. Thereís no overpowering highly synthetic scents like Unilever Persil or P&G Ariel. Itís just a subtle and very classic old detergent scent, at least to my nose.

Iím finding my whites come out great, the machine is staying completely mold and gunk free and, because itís a component detergent with separate peroxide bleach and optical brightening agents in the Ultraphase 2 cartridge, my jeans and dark coloured clothes are lasting way longer and look fantastic.

I tried using Persil liquid instead and I immediately noticed significant pilling and the clothes were kind unpleasant feeling and the scent was just overpowering.

Iíve also tried Ariel liquid and their capsules which are the same 3 capsule system Tide uses and the results were similarly not quite as good and you could clearly see the OBA impact on dark clothes .

Mieleís ďpod systemĒ which is like a giant Nespresso pod full of specialist detergent is however a total gimmick and a huge waste of plastic. Their wool detergent is amazing stuff though and much better than Woolite. I just buy the big jug of it.

I also did not like the Miele T2 scent flacons for the dryer. Theyíre totally overpowering but, I guess there are people who like to smell like a car air freshener exploded on them.

Also sorry Miele, but your fabric softener is vile. Itís like a cheap smelling old ďcomfort blueĒ softener from the 1980s

Unilever Comfort Pure is FAR nicer.

Iím just curious about other peopleís experience with these machines and their optional detergent system.

This post was last edited 05/28/2018 at 18:26

Post# 995445 , Reply# 1   5/28/2018 at 13:17 by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

They were "launched" here in the States a month or 2 ago and so far have been well-received. I've had them down to nearly their last screw and they're not that bad for service, all things considered. One of our supervisors bought a set as soon as he was able, and is sorry he bought the BOL and not a dosing model.

I also like that the capacity is back to what the SLC machines would handle, without the footprint!

I must say that I'm not a huge fan of screwing the stacking kit into the lid, but there must be some advantage or Miele wouldn't do it!

I just wish they offered an unscented detergent. Maybe down the road. I too, James, am not a fan of the single use capsules nor the scent flacons.


Post# 995453 , Reply# 2   5/28/2018 at 14:06 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        

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Probably one of the better post release reviews:

Neither need nor want a new washer or dryer for the duration, so can't say will be buying either. However should something pop up cheaply on CL or wherever who knows?

Will be keen to hear real world reviews of the T1 dryer from Americans.

Post# 995456 , Reply# 3   5/28/2018 at 15:53 by iej (Ireland)        

Without the fragrance pods, the dryer is pretty good. It's a lot more gentle on fabrics than anything I've used previously (including a Bosch heat pump). I'd say if you're use to a dryer that really heavily heats things, you might find it a bit hard to get used to.

Basically, your clothes will be taken up to about 40ļC at most on a typical cycle but it really dries quite effectively. For example, I put in a huge load of towels, they took a couple of hours, but you have to factor in the very low energy use.

You clothes will absolutely never come out so hot that you can't touch them, nor will anything ever scorch. It's simply not possible.

My electricity bill has gone *WAY* down since I've switched from a vented dryer.

For smaller loads with lighter fabrics, the speeds are pretty good. The main thing I'm noticing is that my clothes are most definitely lasting a lot longer, they're not shrinking at all, I can safely dry shirts in it without worrying, my t-shirts no longer shrink at all etc..

Items generally don't wrinkle at all in it either, unless you jam it stuffed full which is probably not a very effective way of drying anything anyway.

The steam function works very well too, although it's more of a mist of water and tumble approach, but it has a very impressive impact on things like shirts.

I also *love* the simplicity of the Miele approach to keeping the condenser system fluff free - a very effective 3-stage filtering system.

You've two filters on the door, similar to what you'd find in an average dryer and then over the intake into the heat exchanger, there's a mesh/foam filter that's about 1.5cm thick. It's a multi-layer filter similar to what you'd find in a vacuum cleaner, and it's hand washable to clean.

BSH machines use a convoluted system of backwashing the condenser with condensate, which I've never found works very well. Miele just keep dust out of the condenser in the first place.

Post# 995526 , Reply# 4   5/29/2018 at 07:16 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Thanks for the concise explanation of the machines. I'm more tempted now to consider a heatpump machine - but Bosch's versions do seem to be awkward and troublesome.

Does this Miele dryer do reverse tumbling, or does it go in one direction only?

Post# 995637 , Reply# 5   5/30/2018 at 12:39 by iej (Ireland)        

It reverses - Miele would hardly forget that :)

Post# 995898 , Reply# 6   6/1/2018 at 09:52 by Saj6952 (Winchester, Hants)        
I've just finished a 6 month supply of TwinDos...

Which I got as a promotion when I bought a new Miele washing machine last October. Whilst I couldn't fault its cleaning performance, the TwinDos system itself seems to require more intervention than I'd expected to cater for different loads. I also found that laundry washed in this stuff on low temperature programmes developed an unpleasant odour when the laundry was dry. I've given the TwinDos system a try with my usual liquid detergent & fabric conditioner as well by using the refillable containers which was ok apart from the residue that was left in the TwinDos compartment.

I've shelved the idea of using the TwinDos at the moment and gone back to my usual brand of detergent and indeed have resumed dispensing it the old fashioned way. Which has led to me concluding that despite the my 50/50 reservations over the TwinDos system, the machine itself is an excellent performer. Even if it is isn't quite as refined in its operation as my Miele machine from a decade or so ago.

Post# 996066 , Reply# 7   6/3/2018 at 08:47 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Ta! Lol

In my experience, liquid detergents, low temperatures and fabric conditioners are poor companions. Sooner or later, strange sour smells do develop.

You can get away with low temperatures and standard powder detergents; they are chemically more active, and the built in oxygen bleach has a sanitising effect.

One of the German consumer magazines recommended washing in a standard powder, should odours be detected when using non-bleach detergents (i.e. 'Colour', liquids, gels, pods, gems).

Post# 996068 , Reply# 8   6/3/2018 at 08:56 by iej (Ireland)        

I definitely havenít experienced any unpleasant of odours.

I tend to do most of clothes on Cottons ar 40įC, with Short and Water Plus selected. It takes about 1h17min and I use Comfort Pure which is a mildly scented alergy friendly conditioner.

Towels go in at 75įC

It requires some intervention in the sense it asks : the soil level and whether youíre waging colored or white clothes.

Also you can wash colourfast, light colors with the white option. Itís only peroxide and OBAs, much like normal powder detergents are.

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