Thread Number: 7577
Montgomery Wards Norge and the funky spin |
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Post# 148171   8/12/2006 at 23:20 (6,459 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)   |   | |
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Hi all :-) I just acquired a Montgomery Ward-branded Norge with the 20-lb capacity and genuine burpalator action. It's a groovy machine, except that it frequently wants to try and agitate when it goes to spin. Since this machine design is rather alien to us, do any of you know what the culprit might be? Sometimes you can hold the agitator, and it'll make a momentary whizzing sound, and then it will sit neutrally (as it should for the initial neutral drain). If left to its own devices, however, it likes to try and agitate while it's draining, and continues to try and do so until it gets up to speed for the spin. I'm all but positive--based on the design--that something inside the transmission is not "seating" as it should, due to gack/wear/voodoo, but before I tear into it, I'd love any advice and/or pics of the innards of this particular transmission design. I'd love to provide a model and serial, but the tag is obliterated. Hopefully the fact that it seems to follow the Fedders Norge burp-up design will be helpful :-| Thank you in advance for any light you can shed on this-- Nate |
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Post# 148180 , Reply# 2   8/13/2006 at 01:15 (6,459 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)   |   | |
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Hi Austin, FIrst, a thousand thank-yous to you and your mom for the awesome goodies. I swear to God that I have a package for you, but Venus' present wasn't picked up from Flagstaff, so I'll have to have it mailed down...and then on to you. Second, a thousand additional thank-yous for schematics. This washer is a mystery to me. And without any identifying numbers (and a black-and-chrome control panel that screams "eighties!"), I don't know if it would qualify for Deluxe or Imperial. Methinks it teeters on the brink--it sure isn't a seventies machine. Anyhow, the brake solenoid works fine, and yes, we think it odd that the agitator exhibits shenanigans when it goes to spin since, as you said, it's a reversing-motor concept (very similar to Maytag's, really). The partial neutral drain seems to happen when the brake is on. The machine reverses direction and drains, and when the water level switch trips-back, it releases the brake and begins a spin-drain. Obviously, having the agitator going when the water level goes down is fun, but bad for machine and clothing alike :-P If I hold the agitator during the neutral-drain portion, I can hold it for a second and it will stop fighting me, and will be in neutral-mode thereafter. It'd just be nice if it did that on its own. But, the neutral drain mechanism is a mystery for me too. I'm guessing there must be something inside the tranny, though... In any case, thank you VERY much again, and I'll look forward to seeing what you can find. Thanks!! --Nate |
Post# 148202 , Reply# 4   8/13/2006 at 11:07 (6,458 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)   |   | |
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Yes, trok, that's correct. The spray for the spray rinse begins when the pressure switch is unsatisfied, and wraps-up before it even gets up to speed with the spin-drain (kind of odd, but it works nicely for dodging suds-lock). The latch on the brake releases only when the minute is up. The lid switch only engages the brake by deenergizing the brake solenoid. The motor still runs, so the machine still drains (and sometimes, halfheartedly tries to agitate) when the lid is up during spin. |
Post# 148364 , Reply# 5   8/14/2006 at 08:47 (6,457 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Nate is sounds like the clutch spring inside the tranny is warped or broken. Its going to be a big job to remove and open the tranny and replace it. The Norge Plus Capacity Repair Master has all the info you need to do this. Greg, Don and I found an 1975 or 1976 avacado Wards on the street on Saturday night and dragged it home to play with. To our shock and surprise it worked perfectly with not one hitch. |