Thread Number: 76001
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
The saga of the stand pipe.... |
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Post# 998500   6/27/2018 at 01:24 (2,101 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)   |   | |
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This saga of suds lock on my A407 may finally be coming to a head. I measured the top of the stand pipe and its 5' off the basement floor. My A407 is sitting on the floor. Should I build a platform to put it on and if so how high? Im so sick of having to run downstairs and turn the water off before the first spin cycle because the machine suds locks and I have to let it bog down with rinse water that wont drain then quickly shut it off during spin and re-start it so it pumps the rinse water out. Many thanks in advance.
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Post# 998538 , Reply# 2   6/27/2018 at 09:03 (2,101 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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I only encountered this type of situation a few times....
the only time a high pump out is a concern is if you start to go over that 6 foot height....then a platform would be needed.... one thing I never liked about long drain hoses, especially if a backflow valve was not installed, all that wash water left in the hose will be sucked back into the machine during rinse.... the one thing that I never thought of was the pump, which seemed to look and work fine, but would get an air-lock, you had to stop the machine and restart to get the last of the water pumped out.....a new pump fixed the issue, but I can't explain why.... the second issue was too much detergent, you had a fine line of watching how dirty the clothes were and match the dosage exactly to prevent the suds lock... there have been incidences of the drain hose having too much play in it, found it best to keep the run as direct and straight to the tub/pipe... I would be curious to see a few load run using Rosalie's detergent.....that not only is a suds free detergent, but will knock down any suds found in the machine... would also be curious to how the machine would react by draining it into a large trash can set on the floor next to the machine...if this works, may be consider a laundry tub that pumps up installed for your situation... |
Post# 998557 , Reply# 4   6/27/2018 at 11:36 (2,101 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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My A712 did the same thing once in a while when I had it on my back patio. The top of the drain pipe was at most 4' off the ground. This was absolutely related to the amount and type of detergent. There was no problem with the waste piping, as it was all brand new or nearly so, and properly vented. I don't think the machine would have behaved any differently if it had been draining into a utility sink.
That having been said, I've yet to hook the machine up in the basement at our new house. I had the laundry relocated from off the kitchen to down in the basement, with new water supply lines and a pump installed. The FL Neptune washer drains into the adjacent new utility sink. The 712 will drain into the same sink as Martin has suggested. We'll see how it does.
I've learned the key lesson, though. No more Mexican powder. That stuff generates way too much suds. Since I buy "he" detergent for the FL machine, that's what I'll use in the 712 too. Now that I have a Neptune, it might be able to handle P&G's "for both" powdered "he" formula. My Affinity hated it, but the Neptune supposedly has the capability of coping with non-"he" detergent, which is what the "for both" formula is, IMO. |
Post# 998565 , Reply# 6   6/27/2018 at 14:02 (2,101 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)   |   | |
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Thanks for the input guys. I have thought it may be a pump issue but it drains that tub full of water out pretty quickly. If I use the extra large setting then it will take almost till the rinse cycle to come up to speed once it finally drains. I guess the pump has a hard time pumping rinse water out due to gravity. The water left in the drain hose and pump weighs more than the rinse spray so it gets locked. If I let the rinse water accumulate in the tub so the spin basket gets bogged and slows down it will immediatly pump it out if I quickly push the timer knob in and pull it back out a few seconds later. I thought maximum stand pipe height was 4.5'? My drain hose has an extension on it also. I'll try and take a video later of the set up. Thanks.
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Post# 998577 , Reply# 7   6/27/2018 at 14:56 (2,100 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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From my own experience and shared ones from others, it's typical for the spray rinse to begin just slightly before the machine hits top spin speed if you have it set for maximum fill. My guess is that this is due to the larger tub machines using the same timer as smaller tub models.
I suppose Maytag didn't want to go to the expense of extending the timer increment and assigning a new part number that was exclusive to the extra large capacity models, or making such a slightly altered timer standard on all models. It would have been a better situation if after draining completely, the standard tub models spun a little longer before the spray rinse began rather than the larger tub models not quite reaching full speed before the spray sequence. |
Post# 998580 , Reply# 8   6/27/2018 at 15:15 (2,100 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 998641 , Reply# 12   6/28/2018 at 01:26 (2,100 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)   |   | |
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Post# 998647 , Reply# 13   6/28/2018 at 04:12 (2,100 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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I agree with Yogi, sounds to me like the pump is losing prime. It drains, then gets some air in behind some of the water beyond the pump in the drain hose, then as the tub comes up to speed there's a smaller amount of water being spun out of the clothes and begins to accumulate but it's not enough to push out the air in the pump that's trapped by the water in the hose beyond, then the spray rinse kicks in and you have a lot more water coming in behind the air. Stopping and quickly restarting allows it to back flow enough to push that air backwards and regain prime. My Asko would do this occasionally too, but only when the concertina hose had ballooned out and needed to be replaced due to degradation from age and high temps. It would drain fine in between the burst spins, but on final rinse and drain it would lose pump prime. It would spin but there would still be water sloshing around in the drum because some air would get trapped in the bulging area. I could stop the machine and immediately restart it and it would finish draining out perfectly. For me, replacing my concertina hose fixed it. Of course I know your washer doesn't have one. Same thing happens when we clean our garden pond...when it gets low enough to suck up even a small bit of air it will just sit there and spin, even if there is still water in the bottom. I can unplug it for a second and plug back in and it will start pumping out again. I may be way off base but that's what I'm imagining in my little brain to be happening.
Ralph, which Mexican powder? I've been using Mexican Ariel from walmart in my FL and even with a water softener it does just fine as far as suds go. |
Post# 998698 , Reply# 14   6/28/2018 at 12:36 (2,100 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 998845 , Reply# 15   6/29/2018 at 22:34 (2,098 days old) by super32 (Blackstone Massachusetts)   |   | |
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I had this problem when i got my A613 about 4ish years ago. The short answer was a set of belts and adjusted the pump. While it seemed that the pump was powering the water out, it was not doing it as fast as it should. A Maytag should be able to take a full tub of water (extra large) and go from a stand stil to full speed in 90 seconds. As i seem to remember there is a slight delay in the timer until the pressure switch opens up then the timer starts advancing. But If it cant power the water out quick enough and accelerate then you have issues of drag, slowing down during the spray rinse, suds lock, or in extream cases customes will complain the clothes feel wet at the end of the cycle because it never really spins fast enough long enough in the final spin. Beware, on the flip side if the pump belt is too tight it will power the water out just fine but it will rob the main drive belt by not allowing the motor to “slide” back and accelerate the tub, thus causing basically the same type of problem. It was never a problem on smaller loads, only larger and heavy loads ie; towels.
All of this is said assuming your pump and the rest of your machine is working properly. |
Post# 998848 , Reply# 16   6/29/2018 at 22:56 (2,098 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 998934 , Reply# 17   6/30/2018 at 22:35 (2,097 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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