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Post# 148713   8/16/2006 at 10:00 (6,434 days old) by stratus ()        

hey - just found this website, and am amazed to see that there are other people in this world like me! - i have had tghis bizarre obcession with washing machines ever since i was a little kid, i have no idea why i am just facinated by them, and the way they work!!

so i figured if anyone can help me it would be you guys! When i was a lad - we used to have a Phillips washing machine (back before they merged with whirlpool) for the life of me i cant remember the model number, was wondering if anyone could help me? The main thing i remember about it was on its final spin, as it was draining the water it would spin with the water still in the drum - it made a fantastic pattern on the glass door!

any pix, info or even a video - would be amazing -
cheers guys :o)

ps - if anyone wants pix or vids of my machines running lemme know and i'll sort it out

Bran





Post# 148724 , Reply# 1   8/16/2006 at 11:49 (6,434 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Welcome Bran! Another member of the UK contingent - we're growing all the time!

If I remember rightly, weren't they the Series 90 washing machines? Never seen one in action though, but have seen quite a few over the years. Can't help with any exact model numbers though I'm afraid :-(.

Pictures would be good - I'm always interested in other people's collections!

Feel free to drop an email, most of us UK lads are on MSN and chat to one and other most evenings.

All the best,

Jon


Post# 148725 , Reply# 2   8/16/2006 at 11:55 (6,434 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Hi Bran

Welcome to the club, there will be no sleep for you tonight as you will probably be looking at all the pics n vids n mails etc...LOL

The Philips machine was the 082/098 series, used permanent magnet motors and where one of the first with a polycarbonate drum, all with a 10yr guarantee, probably one of their finest ranges...

Does it look like this?? Heres a link to some of my stuff!!

Enjoy, Mike


CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK


Post# 148733 , Reply# 3   8/16/2006 at 14:35 (6,434 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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I think we all want a see through by all side machine that youy posted Mike!!!!


Post# 148756 , Reply# 4   8/16/2006 at 19:01 (6,434 days old) by stratus ()        

WOW - thats pretty much it!!! the one i had was a bit of a later model, the dials were on the other side - it weas defo one of the series 90 machines!

nice set of pix you've got there Mike - especially some of the dysons - its my ambition to own one of them - cep to herd that make some pretty far out noises! hehe

i swear i have spent hours and hours online looking for images online of the series 90! it like it never existed! i saw one on ebay once - but i have no-where to put it!!! cheers for that pic though - brings back some nice memories :o)


Post# 148759 , Reply# 5   8/16/2006 at 19:27 (6,434 days old) by sudsman ()        
Welcome Bran

What a NEAT pix love that machine .. Welcome to the group i am some what of a newbe too.. I too loved the old washers and when we would go visiting I would go check out the laudry room first.. I have been called sick, weirdo and many other things I can't mention here. Whats wrong with love for the older machines.. They had class and style and made the neatest noises .. Sure miss the old days Sudsman.

Post# 148761 , Reply# 6   8/16/2006 at 20:01 (6,434 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        
Hello Bran

Welcome to the club mate. I used to love those machines too. The best bit was that the tub was really full of water on that final rinse when it started to fast distribute, superb! Loved the Slimstar Top Loader from the 70s with the blue dial inserts. That had an induction motor but still did the dramatic thing from tumble to spin. Nice to meet you and most importantly remember you're not a freak, it's the rest of the world not us ;-)

Nick


Post# 148774 , Reply# 7   8/16/2006 at 21:46 (6,434 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Welcome, Brandon! Be sure to check out all the old TV commercials, etc. They are quite entertaining. And no, you're certainly not the only one who is fascinated by washers.

Any pictures or videos of your machines would be great!


Post# 148775 , Reply# 8   8/16/2006 at 21:50 (6,434 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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Welcome Bran:
Enjoy, there are many of us around. Take it from me.

Steve


Post# 148826 , Reply# 9   8/17/2006 at 08:10 (6,434 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Welcome Brandon! While I have not seen a machine such as you describe, I have seen large (30 lb.) Milnor commercial washers in coin laundries that did a water distribution before every spin. The speed was increased from tumble to the slightly faster distribute speed before the drain valve opened. Not only was it fun to see a big load go from tumbling in the water to slapped against the drum in just a few splashy seconds, it also gave some pretty good drama with water pouring down the glass in the door. After the washer was drained, the speed shifted higher into the spin. One of the things that made for a good show in this washer was that the door closed against the drum edge, like in the Bendix washers with no suspension system requiring a flexible boot between the drum and cabinet assembly. This put the glass in the door right in the path of the water that was streaming down to the sump. Did the machine you had go into high speed spin with the water in it or did it increase the speed after the drain? I think water distribution is a fairly efficient way to achieve a pretty well balanced load for spinning. It sure beats some of the time-wasting back and forth tumbling that some of the new generation large drum front loaders do to distribute loads for spinning.

Post# 148853 , Reply# 10   8/17/2006 at 12:20 (6,433 days old) by stratus ()        

it went into a slow speed spin straight away if i remember rightly - and as it got to speed the water began to drain away, once the water was gone the machine would increase speed, and gradually increased to it's total rpm :o)

must see if i can hunt down the washers you mentioned! hehe


Post# 148957 , Reply# 11   8/17/2006 at 20:58 (6,433 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

I had a Philips TL that does the same thing - it spins from full. The reason for the slow wind up to full speed as water level drops is how the PM motor is connected - the motor is connected in series with the heater element.
On 240 volt supply, during wash the motor "sees" about 20 to 24 volts,the rest of the voltage is dissipated in the heating element. The electronics have a feedback circuit that monitors rpm by measuring voltage fluctuations in the wires to the motor - no separate tacho. During wash the motor speed is kept low to enable a tumble action. During pumping out the speed is not controlled, the full 240 volts is sent to the combined heater/motor circuit. The more load is on the motor, the slower it turns and the more power is dissipated in the heater element. As the water level drops, the motor speeds up and less voltage is wasted in the heater element. A crude and inefficient system but it works. The spin speed controller is infinitely variable and at faster speeds it adds pulses from a secondary resistor in parallel with the heater element. Later versions like my current Philips TL do a neutral drain first, still use the heater element to give a slower wind up to spin speed, and for final spin do a short extra burst of 200 volts to the motor (not through the heater element) to give a fast final spin. (1000 rpm from memory)

The system is quite elegant in how it works but wastes a lot of power, so I no longer use it. In future I'd like to design a more efficient controller which uses a power supply to provide 20 volts for wash, 24 volts for distribute and 150 to 200 volts for spin. This will cut wash power consumption from 900 watts to under 100 watts. One day...

Chris.


Post# 148961 , Reply# 12   8/17/2006 at 21:00 (6,433 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        

I also have a Philips AWB 094 (or is it 904?) which looks very very similar to Mike's photo, but it uses an induction motor and has a very slow spin - maybe 400 rpm?

Chris.


Post# 149082 , Reply# 13   8/18/2006 at 16:43 (6,432 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        
Gizmo

IIRC, all induction machines badged as 400 rpm actually span at 375, to to the way those motors on cheap units only had certain speeds they could run at, this was the speed I believe. A true anorak fact!

`I HAD a Philips TL'. Boo. What I wouldn't give for a vintage Philips TL.

Nick UK


Post# 150123 , Reply# 14   8/23/2006 at 15:02 (6,427 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

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arrrrrghhh!!! Brandon! i had one of those aswell

Mine was a philips Auto Elite Series 90

It had a temperature dial with Max, 80 - 30, and Min

Then it had a spin speed dial numbered 10 - 1 and had a tub symbol _/ for rinse hold, after the 1

It had a half load button and and short wash button

and a program dial with A - F on


Is urs the same?

i'll try and scan a photo ive got...


Post# 150294 , Reply# 15   8/24/2006 at 12:24 (6,426 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

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heres a pic (sorry bout the quality )


Post# 150345 , Reply# 16   8/24/2006 at 19:40 (6,426 days old) by stratus ()        
ahhhhhhhh no way!!

thats it!!! there it is! thats my old washer *sigh* i so want it back!! hehe - cept mine had slightly larger door, and the handle had an orange spot on it for some reason!

hehe we used to use program C :o)

i notice you used past tense and said you 'had' one of these :o( we shoudl team up and try and hunt one down!! hehe

cheers for the pic though - made me smile :oD



Post# 150491 , Reply# 17   8/25/2006 at 12:43 (6,425 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)        

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yer my door handle had an orange spot on it... but the handle snapped in half lol, so we got a new one

Post# 150595 , Reply# 18   8/26/2006 at 01:58 (6,425 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I still have a Philips toploader. I love the sound of the machine when it starts spinning!

Post# 150609 , Reply# 19   8/26/2006 at 06:58 (6,425 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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my granddad still has the matching philips tumble dryer to this machine. In almond and brown. Big silver door on it. The inside drum is like a white knight as is the filter. So im guessing its crosslee made. Silver and black dial just like that washer but the heat dial was stainless steel small dial with a full sun and a half sun. Sounds just like a white knight too. It must be nearly 30 years old and its still in occasiocl use.

Post# 150621 , Reply# 20   8/26/2006 at 08:28 (6,425 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Nick,

Actually it's the other way round - White Knight dryers are based on the old Philips design. Crosslee bought the Philips tumble dryer factory in Halifax I think in the mid 1980's, and kept the design going strong even to this day.

Jon


Post# 150629 , Reply# 21   8/26/2006 at 09:16 (6,424 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
wow

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jon what an interesting fact. That explains more as i did wonder where the cross over was. So in actual fact is it true to say that old phillips dryers are the uks no1 reliable dryer and not white knight as they are probably using phillips statistics- does that make sense. Im not keen on white knights as they take longer to dry imo and i like to have a matching washer and dryer anyway.

Post# 150630 , Reply# 22   8/26/2006 at 09:21 (6,424 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
wow

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jon what an interesting fact. That explains more as i did wonder where the cross over was. So in actual fact is it true to say that old phillips dryers are the uks no1 reliable dryer and not white knight as they are probably using phillips statistics- does that make sense. Im not keen on white knights as they take longer to dry imo and i like to have a matching washer and dryer anyway.

Post# 150632 , Reply# 23   8/26/2006 at 09:33 (6,424 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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im going to be weird now. Does everybody find that if you smell the drum of different makes of well used tumble dryers they all have an individual smell. Mums hoover 6kg ultracare always smells musty for some reason. My zanussi condensor always smelled plasticy. My granddads tends to keep the smell of the softener and my maternal grandparents had matching servis multivent dryer for the 83 quartz and that was always musty inside. They still have the multivent by the way. Love that hose with plastic mouldings on each end to keep it tidy and the metal adaptor to attach it to the front vent. Also the end of the hose to connect it to try dryer had a 90 degree moulded piece which stays on better than most straight hose mouldings.

Post# 152777 , Reply# 24   9/6/2006 at 09:45 (6,413 days old) by broker ()        

My facination with the washing machine started as a very small child. I had one at the age of 6 a Wolverine and one with a glass tub. You see these on e-bay. Its great to know that I am not alone. Growing up in the 50's I knew what kind of washing machine all of our neighbors had. Most of them had wringer washers. The Great Aunt who raised my mother had a Montgomery Ward wringer washer. During the 50's the Army base was in operation and my Aunt would rent rooms out to the officers and their wifes. Every Monday my mom and myself would go up and help change the bed linen. Then down to the basement to spend the day. When it was time to go to the clothes line my mom would place the clothes pin bag around my neck and I would run up and down the line handing out clothes pins. The sheets would have to be back on the beds by evening. My aunt would iron them and I still have the old Montgomery Wards iron she would use. My wife understands my obsession as she has a collection of antique chairs. For years I didnt want anyone to know. After seeing this web site it has given me a new outlook. Its ok to be yourself and not hide the interests that make you the person you are.

Post# 152798 , Reply# 25   9/6/2006 at 12:23 (6,413 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        
Nice one Broker

Welcome to the club and no you're not alone!


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