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Post# 1003206   8/10/2018 at 16:52 (2,056 days old) by Meldew (Georgia)        

Can anyone identify with this? Do your clean, sanitized dishes and glasses ever come out of the dishwasher with the aroma of wet dog? I would do almost anything to fix this. I’ve changed dishwashers and detergent. I’ve dried the dishes and let them air dry. Sometimes I have to rewash the whole load. I’ve plastic cups are fine. Right now I’m using a Kitchenaid dw that’s fairly new. It has a hot wash/rinse and a sanitize setting. I alternate finish tablets and cascade or Palmolive liquid with chlorine bleach.

It’s not always noticeable right away but after they sit in the air for a while we notice it. And no no dogs lick the dishes. Nor are dogs even usually indoors.

Any ideas?





Post# 1003216 , Reply# 1   8/10/2018 at 18:36 (2,056 days old) by Labboy (SD, CA)        
Hot water heater?

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I’m assuming you’ve already checked/cleaned any filters present in the machine.

Have you considered your hot water heater as the source of the issue? I know of people where their water heater is starting to fail (or the sacrificial rod inside the WH is almost spent) who have had similar odor issues. Once their WH was replaced or serviced (flushed and had he rod replaced) it took care of the odor.

Bob


Post# 1003219 , Reply# 2   8/10/2018 at 19:01 (2,056 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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Do you have an air gap installed?

One of my neighbors told me that their pipes in the kitchen smelled like sulfer. I googled it and got a few hits that basically said that dishwashers could smell if they didn’t have an airgap. And low and behold, I just saw him today and he told me that he had isolated the smell to the bottom of the dishwasher where the filter goes. I asked him if he’d put in an air gap? Nope, not yet.

The previous owner that he bought from several months ago apparently replaced the DW DYI, and didn’t replace the air gap. In our county an air gap is required by code.

HTH
Eddie


Post# 1003220 , Reply# 3   8/10/2018 at 19:26 (2,056 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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I get this once-in-a-while too (maybe once every couple months at most.)  And my dishwasher is installed with an air gap.  It's not terrible and I've never rewashed anything, it's just sort of an off-putting smell instead of the usual faint smell of the Cascade pak.

 

I only run my dishwasher once-a-week (but in the summer I will run the rinse-only cycle once or twice mid-week.)

 

I've never figured it out.  When it happens I usually empty the dishwasher and run a rinse cycle with 1/2 cup of straight liquid bleach and then another rinse cycle.  I don't know if this is helping prevent the problem or not.

 

I suspect it might be some magic combination of the soil on the dishes, my water and the detergent.

 

 

 


Post# 1003221 , Reply# 4   8/10/2018 at 19:32 (2,056 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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that sort of smell usually results from in-coming water conditions....and/or a combination with the detergents....

Post# 1003229 , Reply# 5   8/10/2018 at 21:12 (2,056 days old) by Meldew (Georgia)        

Hmmm. I don’t know what an air gap is. Will have to research it. And I have cured it for short spans of time by adding bleach to the washer. And yes I have been fanatical about cleaning the dishwasher filter and interior. I’ve replaced the drain hose and changed the disposal when it broke.

BUT our water heater (tank) is 12 years old. We’ve noticed a drop in hot water volume (I think). I’d say we’ve suffered from dog dishes for several years. We’re on municipal water. But now that y’all mention the incoming water as a source, I remember getting a whiff of the same odor from an older front-load washer! I’ve asked a couple neighbors and they looked at me like I was crazy so it must be us. Tho I once smelled it on a glass at a friend’s house (well water) and I think she was insulted when I asked if they have that same problem.

We’ve never lived in one house this long and have never had to replace a water heater. I guess I’d better start reading up. Thanks I thought about the city water but did not consider the heater!


Post# 1003232 , Reply# 6   8/10/2018 at 21:37 (2,056 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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Melissa, here is just one article about why a dishwasher might smell. It mentions that you either need for the drain hose to have the proper loop in it or an air gap installed so it drains properly. Since you’ve mentioned that you have dogs, maybe if you’ve washed their food bowls in the DW, and the DW isn’t draining properly, the residule water that hasn’t drained may retain a “dog smell”.

See the link below.

Also, here is a page from Walmart showing various DW air gaps.

Also, a You Tube about why you need an air gap.

HTH
Eddie






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Post# 1003235 , Reply# 7   8/10/2018 at 22:00 (2,056 days old) by Meldew (Georgia)        

Thank you. We definitely don’t have an air gap. I will go check the hose to see if it has a high loop. We’ve had a couple Bosches and they made a big deal about the high loop now that I’m reminded of it. I think we’re on our 5th dishwasher in 12 years. We run a few loads a day so not much time sitting there.

I have washed dog bowls in it, but not with human dishes and I always run the sanitize cycle though I’m learning that may not really sanitize everything. And the problem may have predated our dogs. I do run disposal cleaner through. It’s not really sewer gas or food smell. Actually the dishes smell clean at first but then develop the odor, it seems more quickly when it’s humid.


Post# 1003266 , Reply# 8   8/11/2018 at 06:05 (2,056 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Do you have well water?

As there also is always a little water left in the pump sump, it may have an odor.
If it is draining nearly thoroughly, Try 2 tablespoons of bleach,or even vinegar in the bottom of the machine once you unload it.


Post# 1003339 , Reply# 9   8/11/2018 at 16:55 (2,055 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
5 DWs in 12 years!

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Wow you do a lot of dishes. While the smell issue seems to have been well addressed, I have to ask. Have you ever considered a commercial undercounter unit such as the LxE line from Hobart (See link).
WK78


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Post# 1003357 , Reply# 10   8/11/2018 at 20:00 (2,055 days old) by Meldew (Georgia)        

Well I’ve been catching up on laundry and outside and just now logged in! Eddie I will watch the video when I get back home. I still haven’t looked at the drain hose!

I have tried adding bleach and that does seem to help. I can try the vinegar too.

No I never even thought about a commercial dishwasher. I didn’t know they would fit in my small kitchen. Our first in this current house was a Frigidaire - and I didn’t like it. It left so much debris on the dishes. Then a Bosch that I liked and I don’t remember what happened. A whirlpool which was fine. Then another Bosch which was a good washer but the racks were corroding/rusting and then it completely broke and the repairman said it would be an expensive repair and just replace it. So I got the Kitchenaid sight unseen from a scratch and dent store a ways away. It’s fine.

I had repairmen our for the smell. They assured me the dishwasher was installed correctly. I think was when I had one of the Bosch.

I’ll get back to y’all on the drain hose configuration. And I can call someone to ask about the air gap.


Post# 1003372 , Reply# 11   8/11/2018 at 23:05 (2,055 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

One tip off your water heater is going is white chunks collecting on the aerators at various faucets.  Replacing an anode rid is cheap and can get many more years out of a tank if done as needed.  If the tank has issues, how does the water in your showers smell?  If it's fine I'd rule that out as the issue with the DW.


Post# 1003408 , Reply# 12   8/12/2018 at 09:11 (2,055 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Smelly Bosch DW

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Hi, I would use a little liquid detergent with chlorine bleach in every load in the pre-wash cup or just put a tablespoon or two on the inside of the door each time you run a load [ and always use a premium DW tablet in the main dispenser cup as well ].

 

We get a lot of complaints about this with Bosch and other DWs as well that do not have real drying heating elements in the bottom of the DW.

 

An air-gap will not help this problem and in fact they can lead to odors in the kitchen area due to the gunk that collects in the [ open at both ends ] hose that connects the AG to the disposer or tee pipe above the trap.

 

John L.


Post# 1003411 , Reply# 13   8/12/2018 at 11:01 (2,054 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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The original post states that she is using a Kitchenaid DW John. But my neigbors that are having a problem with their DW smelling do have a Bosch. I’ll pass your suggestion on to them about using a drop of liquid detergent in the pre wash cup andbsome LCB in the bottom. I believe that they are already using a premium DW detergent pak.

Eddie


Post# 1003412 , Reply# 14   8/12/2018 at 11:12 (2,054 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        
curveball...

...but the only times we have noticed bad smells from the dishwasher / crockery (especially glasses) is when any amount of EGG residue is left on the dirty dishes. Therefore we always pre rinse eggy items by hand now. I wonder if egg could be your culprit too?! Hope you get it sorted. Nick

Post# 1003415 , Reply# 15   8/12/2018 at 11:52 (2,054 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
Egg...

I also confirm that eggy dishes, in any form, seem to taint the load. Noticeable on glassware and crockery, as these are the items that come closest to the nose.

Post# 1003445 , Reply# 16   8/12/2018 at 20:56 (2,054 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I've also noticed the egg issue.  But I use only chlorine based detergents so it's gone when the load is finished.


Post# 1003472 , Reply# 17   8/13/2018 at 04:07 (2,054 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
So I rinse.

Maybe a trace of egg left on dishes, but I use Finish complete tabs for the main wash, Cascade gel with bleach for the pre wash. Never any odors.

Post# 1003525 , Reply# 18   8/13/2018 at 14:22 (2,053 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
"chlorine based detergents..."

The EU discontinued those detergents over here.

Post# 1003527 , Reply# 19   8/13/2018 at 14:27 (2,053 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Ditto on eggs

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I, too, have found that eggs can leave dishes smelly - although not always.

Cannot comment on the air gap situation as we don't have these things over here (nor have I ever needed to high-loop a drain hose).


Post# 1003548 , Reply# 20   8/13/2018 at 17:01 (2,053 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK)        

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Rolls_rapide - do you remember why they got rid of chlorine based detergents? 🤔

Post# 1003618 , Reply# 21   8/13/2018 at 23:33 (2,053 days old) by Awooff (Peoria, Illinois)        
Egg

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Yes even uncooked raw egg results in smelling up the whole load of dishes. Noticed it with curry as well. Im just a scraper and always use high temp wash. Everything goes in type here. 3 dogs use my dishes or maybe you could say I use theirs. No separating loads for me. Cascade boil out and always clean and clean smelling dishes. Also if you're using chlorine bleach with enzyme detergent powders or pucks you're just killing the enzymes with bleach before they work on the dishes.

Post# 1003624 , Reply# 22   8/14/2018 at 01:05 (2,053 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

I was noticing a bad smell also from our 4 1/2 year old KA, as well as dishes not drying. So I pulled the paperwork on it and found out I did purchase a 5 year extended warranty, from Lowe's where I bought it. Gave them a call and they sent out their contracted repair shop tech. Well, they are rebuilding it. It needs a new control panel ($142.08), heater ($50.93), and drain pump ($61.54). Not sure what they would charge for labor....but we're not paying a dime. We have really hard water, hence the drain pump. I used a water softener in the prewash, to ward off any build up. Our last dishwasher sprung a leak underneath and did major damage to floor and cabinets. So two weeks without a DW and my dishes are looking better now that I'm handwashing with Dawn and a squirt of Lime-A-Way!! I do like the fact that I can get done quickly just handwashing, but I'd feel better about the stemware and cups and glasses in sanitizing with the DW.

After reading this thread, I never knew that about egg or the drain hose. I'm going to ask the tech about the air gap, there are no regulations for that in our neck of the woods. He told me the worst thing for any appliance is to regularly use it then quit and let it sit for long periods not using it. He said to run a cycle with one cup of vinegar once a week, if used frequently, and that all dishwasher parts are about all the same, think he repairs Whirlpool mostly.

I do miss my dishwasher though, you get used to them and it's not the easiest thing to go back handwashing on days if you have a lot of cooking to do. My poor hands are looking all the more dry and rough!!! LOL. Have new found respect for my mother and grandmother growing up when dishwashers were merely a dream.


Barry


Post# 1003633 , Reply# 23   8/14/2018 at 02:00 (2,053 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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“So two weeks without a DW and my dishes are looking better now that I'm handwashing with Dawn and a squirt of Lime-A-Way!! I do like the fact that I can get done quickly just handwashing, but I'd feel better about the stemware and cups and glasses in sanitizing with the DW. “

I still haven’t used my DW since about the middle of March, and I still don’t miss it!

I know you all probably think I’m crazy as a crap house rat, but seriously, I look forward to doing the dinner dishes. It strangely is a calming ritual.

And I really do believe that my dishes are much cleaner. As far as the glasses and stemware being more sanitized using the DW, well I don’t know how any bacteria will survive the detergent and hot water. I use a fresh, clean dish towel to dry,but they pretty much dry on their own, as I use the hottest water out of the tap. And I have a good pair of rubber gloves so my hands can withstand the heat, and aren’t any worse for the wear.

I may never use the DW again. I especially like that when the dishes are done, so is the kitchen cleanup. No unloadoing the DW latter on at night, when I’m tired, or worse yet, getting up to having to do it first thing in morning. And I enjoy cooking more again too. Works for me.

Eddie




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Post# 1003640 , Reply# 24   8/14/2018 at 04:54 (2,053 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I can totally get that it's a calming ritual.

But for me it's the worst.

Most bacteria are not harmed by normal cleaning agents (tensides) and survive temperatures below 120F with ease.
Even at 140F you need several minutes for any sanitisation.
And even with rubber gloves I doubt handwashing happens at 110F, provably max 100F.

As for cleaner: I doubt that to. Given that handwashing usually is only wash-rinse done.

And efficency wise, modern DW are unbeatable.


Post# 1003650 , Reply# 25   8/14/2018 at 07:43 (2,053 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

I have to agree that dishwashers these days, are economical beasts, and that they wash rather well.

As for dishpan hands - no thank you. Been there, done that, and got a nasty eczema into the bargain. Far too much faffing about, and instantaneous water heaters these days, have a tendency to run cold if you try to run the hot tap as a trickle rinse.


Oh - I spied a tv advert for Currys PC World, flogging an AEG dishwasher with that cantilevered bottom basket which moves out and up. 'Comfort-lift' I think it said on the basket handle.



Post# 1003664 , Reply# 26   8/14/2018 at 11:52 (2,052 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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After my job as an RN washing my hands frequently for 12 hours a pop the last thing I want to do is plunge them into hot water with even more harsh detergents.  Loved washing dishes when I was a kid, not now.


Post# 1003672 , Reply# 27   8/14/2018 at 13:00 (2,052 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I can appreciate that someone might find washing dishes a "calming ritual."

 

I personally find it more like pure drudgery.

 

Part of this may just be some personal history involving a bad time of my life, during which I did a lot of dishes by hand...

 

Unfortunately, my kitchen doesn't have a dishwasher, so I'm stuck washing dishes by hand.

 

I have trouble finding enthusiasm for cooking, and I wonder, sometimes, if I'd be more inclined to cook if I had a dishwasher.

 

 

 


Post# 1003677 , Reply# 28   8/14/2018 at 13:14 (2,052 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        
by hand or by machine

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Post# 1003679 , Reply# 29   8/14/2018 at 13:35 (2,052 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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All this fear of lingering germs on hand washed dishes makes me laugh. Really, just think about all the exposure one has to germs when they kiss another person, or engage in any other intimate, personal behaviors, with persons who are often strangers when one is single. And yet you worry about the germs that may be left on a hand washed glass? Serioulsy?

As long as the dishes are washed in hot, soapy water, and rinsed in hot water, air dried or dried with a clean towel, there is little chance that anyone is going to become ill from these hand washed dishes.

Yes, a DW does use hotter water, for a longer period of time, and they probably come out with less bacteria on them, but its not like you need to autoclave your dishes,. You’re not going to be doing surgery with them.

And I can understand how some are completely adverse to hand washing dishes for one reason or another. So don’t then. But no one is going to become gravely ill from properly hand washed dishes.

Eddie


Post# 1003706 , Reply# 30   8/14/2018 at 17:24 (2,052 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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Post# 1003707 , Reply# 31   8/14/2018 at 17:36 (2,052 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
@ Eddie

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I admire you for finding out you enjoy dishes by hand ! I found out years ago when I was a teen that I actually hated the chore as much as gardening. Only because my Mother loved to garden and used to say to me or my Dad or both of us.. " I cooked you wash up " so ok we did for a while then I bought them a dishwasher and never looked back. Same at home now I just detest doing dishes its ingrained in me its loathsome to the point I have a spare Miele dishwasher up the shed :)

But on the flip side I love to get the old twin tub or wringer washer out and do loads of laundry in it. Maybe its because I have a choice I don't know ????

Austin


Post# 1003708 , Reply# 32   8/14/2018 at 17:56 (2,052 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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But no one is going to become gravely ill from properly hand washed dishes. 

  

 

Even though I can have my germophobic moments, I'm getting by with hand washing dishes using regular detergent. Although it would be nice having a dishwasher with a sanitizing option. Not necessarily for daily use, but I get a large percentage of my  kitchen stuff from thrift stores, and there is always that "God knows where this item was last!" factor. Also, when I still cooked meat, the idea of sanitizing was appealing for the equipment that touched raw meat. But I just washed that stuff independently, and it was never used on anything ready to eat.

 

Going back in time, I grew up in a house that only washed dishes by hand. (Well, a dishwasher was used a few times, but the number was a fraction of 1%--I can only remember that dishwasher used once.) I can't say I never got sick because of a dish that wasn't sanitized, but I can say I don't remember any illness that might have been attributed to such a dish.

 

I'm not 100% sure of this, but I'm guessing my mother probably had a compromised immune system at times the last few years of her life. She ate off dishes that were washed by hand, and had no problems that I can recall.

 

That said, there may be people who may need sanitized dishes. Say, they have a seriously compromised immune system.

 


Post# 1003735 , Reply# 33   8/15/2018 at 00:28 (2,052 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Neither do I see sanitizing as necessary

But wrong information about bacteria can be bad, harmful and under certain circumstances even lethal.
That's why I commented.

Our DW has 10min 70C/160F sanitizing option which we regulary use as the DW only runs once a week and then often these loads include the bowl used for intermediate storage of compost waste.

Most people who handwash do so immediatly, thus any bacteria on the dish can't thrive on food residues.


Post# 1003738 , Reply# 34   8/15/2018 at 01:55 (2,052 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        
I appreciate your clarification

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Henrik about your concern re: bacteria. And I hope that my post about lingering germs vs kissing, ect., didn’t come off as too snarky. I realize that my enjoying handwashing dishes may be hard to comprehend for many. If anyone had told me 6 mo. ago that I would be gladly handwashing my dishes, I would had said ,”Oh, hell NO!” But sometimes a change is good. After all, I had been using a DW daily for over 30 years.

I’m very meticulous about my kitchen, and find that my new routine keeps everything just the way I like it. Maybe its because the state of my country is spiraling out of control, and this is something that I can exercise complete control over, if that makes any sense. And it really does seem like a zen experience to me. I like mindless, repetitive tasks, it lets me kind of zone out.
And I also like to buck the trend too, LOL.
Eddie


Post# 1003739 , Reply# 35   8/15/2018 at 02:25 (2,052 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

"All this fear of lingering germs on hand washed dishes makes me laugh."
"That said, there may be people who may need sanitized dishes. Say, they have a seriously compromised immune system."

Hey Guys, as I've mentioned in an older thread last year, my situation is different than most. The reason for sanitization is that my elderly Dad, 88 years old, was/is being treated for bladder cancer through the use of live Tuberculosis microbes solution injected into his bladder, he holds it for 2-3 hours then voids. This is done once a week for a number of weeks, 3 months last year. The TB kills the cancer stimulated through his own immune system. The day of, and the day after treatments he is very infectious. Since he has Alzheimer's as well, he doesn't always remember to wash his hands after voiding, so EVERYTHING he touches is suspect. I could go on and on, but you get the idea now. My hot water heater heats to 125 F. and honestly, I couldn't stand it any hotter to wash dishes. To compound issues, he has a chemical reaction to chorine bleach, so I use that VERY sparingly.
Doctor told me to wear a face mask and gloves when entering his bathroom, bedroom, and handling laundry (that's a whole other world unto itself), and when I have to leave the house for a needed errand, going into the public.

We start booster treatments tomorrow at 8:00am. I have no dishwasher right now. The repair person is suppose to come out on Thursday, the day after treatment. WHAT TO DO??? I NEED THE DISHWASHER FIXED, didn't count on it taking this long. I have some paper plates, cups, and stemware, but I still have to cook.

Sorry for the long post, it's quite a dilemma.

Barry


Post# 1003741 , Reply# 36   8/15/2018 at 02:37 (2,052 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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Barry I’m so sorry that your Dad is so ill,and that you have to contend with this difficult situation. I realize now that you have mentioned this previously, but I forgot. You absolutley need a DW under these circumstances, and I hope you can get it up and running again real soon.

And I hope that your Dad’s treatments will be successful. Its a lot to expect for an 88 year old man to undergo this kind of illness and radical treatments, I wish you both all the best! He is so lucky to have a devoted son like yourself, and I’m sure he knows it too.

Eddie


Post# 1003744 , Reply# 37   8/15/2018 at 04:11 (2,052 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Eddie, thank-you for the kind heart-felt post. It means a lot. I realize many here have forgotten my situation, but that's okay. No ill will meant or anything. It's cool.

I'm up this evening wracking my brain how I can get it fixed and not have the young man exposed. For all I know he may have a young family. I'm coming up empty, no solutions right now.....but I'm tired also.

I'm open to any suggestions.

Again, thank-you Eddie.

Barry


Post# 1003745 , Reply# 38   8/15/2018 at 04:14 (2,052 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

The treatments that start tomorrow is booster treatments, it will be for only 4 weeks.

Barry


Post# 1003751 , Reply# 39   8/15/2018 at 06:42 (2,052 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
@MrAlex:

I don't rightly know, but I suspect that the likes of Switzerland had previously banned chlorine bleach, and that manufacturers probably found it easier just to make a generic formulation. That'll be why we got that Finish blue-green gel foisted upon us - first of all in the old yellow bottle, now in the 'shower-gel' bottle.

And, it being the EU, they probably mandated something as well - similar to how our halogen bulbs are now getting banned in October.


Post# 1003766 , Reply# 40   8/15/2018 at 10:03 (2,052 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        
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Barry, maybe if you check with a hospital medical supply/equipment company in your area there is some kind of disinfectant spray that you can buy from them to throroughly spray the inside of the DW before the tech comes to repair it. Or maybe an ultra violet light left on in the closed DW for a period of time would eradicate the TB bacteria. There has to be something that hospital and hospices use for disinfection of articles that can’t be done in the conventional manner. Also, the hospital or doctor treating your Dad may have some suggestions on what you can use.

I guess the last resort would be to just get aonther DW, but thats a big expense on top of what you must already be laying out. Plus, it wouldn’t solve the problem of someone else beiong exposed to the TB contagion if they fooled around with the old DW.

You are a truly good guy, and I’ll keep you and your Dad in my thoughts and continue to wish you both the best.

Eddie



Post# 1003774 , Reply# 41   8/15/2018 at 12:19 (2,051 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        
Who knew Barry

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that common acetic acid, or household vinegar is an effective disinfectant against the TB bacterium. I did a Google search and came up with several hits about vinegar killing the TB bacterium. I’ve posted one of the links for you, but you may want to check out the others. I also found a disinfectant spray that contains Quaternary Ammonium Compound, but I didn’t include this link. I think that by using plain old 6% concentration acid vinegar to clean out your DW before the tech arrives should protect him from infection. And if you just put some straight white vinegar into a spray bottle you can easliy go over the surfaces that you think Dad may have contaminated. Its non toxic, inexpensive and won’t damage most surfaces.

I sure hope that this will be of some help to you!

Eddie


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Post# 1003776 , Reply# 42   8/15/2018 at 12:25 (2,051 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
Hand washing Disinfection

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Sam's club sells sanitizer. The dishes must sit in the sink for at least two minutes and then be allowed to air dry. (resist the urge to wipe them dry, this just spreads germs).

Since you mentioned my friend and constant companion, Chlorine is out of the question, you can also use high dilution iodine disinfection. As well as the Quaternary ammonium cation that has been mentioned in the laundry section.


Post# 1003788 , Reply# 43   8/15/2018 at 16:05 (2,051 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

"...that common acetic acid, or household vinegar is an effective disinfectant against the TB bacterium." You know, when that tech. guy mentioned using vinegar in the dishwasher it was like a light bulb went off in my head, that he hit on something, but he said it to ward off calcium build-up inside the dishwasher. I'm going to be very faithful to do so often. (I personally don't care for the dishwasher cleaning pacs (Cascade)that you buy at the grocery store, to me they smell like a horrid deodorant bath soap....I don't like my dishes smelling like Irish Spring! LOL.) Am making extensive use of vinegar and Bon Ami in cleaning bathrooms and surfaces.
[We're trying something new today and this round of treatments. We live in a country neighborhood, nearest neighbor is about 200 feet away, so we have some privacy. I told Dad that when he needs to void, to go outside and use the backyard, away from the house. This will help some in limiting exposure inside, I think. Have exhaust fans and fans running as well, to keep the air turned over. Please forgive me for sounding so crude.]

After much, much thought, I think I may have a friend go to Lowe's or somewhere next Monday (after we both recover from today) and pick up a new middle-of-the-line model dishwasher and install it myself. I'm not an electrician (my Dad was, but he doesn't remember how anymore). I think I can do this if I can see how the old one disconnects. There is way too much chance of that young man coming into our house, TB is soooo contagious, no matter how careful you are in wiping down surfaces and turning the air over. I don't have a lot of time to research what to buy, so I'm going to reread posts and threads here before going to bed tonight.
Quick question, is anybody happy with Whirlpool dishwashers with the stemware basket in the door?

For laundry I'm washing as normal and hanging clothes outside on the clothesline, let the sun do it's job. LOL. There's no shortage of the hot, hot Texas weather / wind and sun.

Well, I hear Dad waking back up from a long nap and I've got to go check on him. Today has been an extremely rough day, all the way around. I feel so bad for him and I feel so helpless to help him. I'm doing all that I can.
Thank-you all for the thoughtful replies.

Barry







Post# 1003799 , Reply# 44   8/15/2018 at 18:58 (2,051 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
New DW

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Hi Barry, Any WP or MT DW would be great, the MTs are a little better mechanically, the WPs can be less costly if you get a plastic tub model, unfortunately only WP has the very desirable In-Door Silverware-Basket.

John L.



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