Thread Number: 76474
/ Tag: Modern Dishwashers
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Post# 1003216 , Reply# 1   8/10/2018 at 18:36 (2,056 days old) by Labboy (SD, CA)   |   | |
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I’m assuming you’ve already checked/cleaned any filters present in the machine.
Have you considered your hot water heater as the source of the issue? I know of people where their water heater is starting to fail (or the sacrificial rod inside the WH is almost spent) who have had similar odor issues. Once their WH was replaced or serviced (flushed and had he rod replaced) it took care of the odor. Bob |
Post# 1003219 , Reply# 2   8/10/2018 at 19:01 (2,056 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Do you have an air gap installed?
One of my neighbors told me that their pipes in the kitchen smelled like sulfer. I googled it and got a few hits that basically said that dishwashers could smell if they didn’t have an airgap. And low and behold, I just saw him today and he told me that he had isolated the smell to the bottom of the dishwasher where the filter goes. I asked him if he’d put in an air gap? Nope, not yet. The previous owner that he bought from several months ago apparently replaced the DW DYI, and didn’t replace the air gap. In our county an air gap is required by code. HTH Eddie |
Post# 1003220 , Reply# 3   8/10/2018 at 19:26 (2,056 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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I get this once-in-a-while too (maybe once every couple months at most.) And my dishwasher is installed with an air gap. It's not terrible and I've never rewashed anything, it's just sort of an off-putting smell instead of the usual faint smell of the Cascade pak.
I only run my dishwasher once-a-week (but in the summer I will run the rinse-only cycle once or twice mid-week.)
I've never figured it out. When it happens I usually empty the dishwasher and run a rinse cycle with 1/2 cup of straight liquid bleach and then another rinse cycle. I don't know if this is helping prevent the problem or not.
I suspect it might be some magic combination of the soil on the dishes, my water and the detergent.
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Post# 1003221 , Reply# 4   8/10/2018 at 19:32 (2,056 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 1003232 , Reply# 6   8/10/2018 at 21:37 (2,056 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Melissa, here is just one article about why a dishwasher might smell. It mentions that you either need for the drain hose to have the proper loop in it or an air gap installed so it drains properly. Since you’ve mentioned that you have dogs, maybe if you’ve washed their food bowls in the DW, and the DW isn’t draining properly, the residule water that hasn’t drained may retain a “dog smell”.
See the link below. Also, here is a page from Walmart showing various DW air gaps. Also, a You Tube about why you need an air gap. HTH Eddie www.walmart.com/search/QU... CLICK HERE TO GO TO ea56's LINK |
Post# 1003266 , Reply# 8   8/11/2018 at 06:05 (2,056 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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As there also is always a little water left in the pump sump, it may have an odor. If it is draining nearly thoroughly, Try 2 tablespoons of bleach,or even vinegar in the bottom of the machine once you unload it. |
Post# 1003339 , Reply# 9   8/11/2018 at 16:55 (2,055 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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Wow you do a lot of dishes. While the smell issue seems to have been well addressed, I have to ask. Have you ever considered a commercial undercounter unit such as the LxE line from Hobart (See link).
WK78 CLICK HERE TO GO TO whirlykenmore78's LINK |
Post# 1003408 , Reply# 12   8/12/2018 at 09:11 (2,055 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi, I would use a little liquid detergent with chlorine bleach in every load in the pre-wash cup or just put a tablespoon or two on the inside of the door each time you run a load [ and always use a premium DW tablet in the main dispenser cup as well ].
We get a lot of complaints about this with Bosch and other DWs as well that do not have real drying heating elements in the bottom of the DW.
An air-gap will not help this problem and in fact they can lead to odors in the kitchen area due to the gunk that collects in the [ open at both ends ] hose that connects the AG to the disposer or tee pipe above the trap.
John L. |
Post# 1003411 , Reply# 13   8/12/2018 at 11:01 (2,054 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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The original post states that she is using a Kitchenaid DW John. But my neigbors that are having a problem with their DW smelling do have a Bosch. I’ll pass your suggestion on to them about using a drop of liquid detergent in the pre wash cup andbsome LCB in the bottom. I believe that they are already using a premium DW detergent pak.
Eddie |
Post# 1003415 , Reply# 15   8/12/2018 at 11:52 (2,054 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)   |   | |
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I also confirm that eggy dishes, in any form, seem to taint the load. Noticeable on glassware and crockery, as these are the items that come closest to the nose. |
Post# 1003445 , Reply# 16   8/12/2018 at 20:56 (2,054 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 1003472 , Reply# 17   8/13/2018 at 04:07 (2,054 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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Maybe a trace of egg left on dishes, but I use Finish complete tabs for the main wash, Cascade gel with bleach for the pre wash. Never any odors. |
Post# 1003525 , Reply# 18   8/13/2018 at 14:22 (2,053 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)   |   | |
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The EU discontinued those detergents over here. |
Post# 1003527 , Reply# 19   8/13/2018 at 14:27 (2,053 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 1003548 , Reply# 20   8/13/2018 at 17:01 (2,053 days old) by MrAlex (London, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1003618 , Reply# 21   8/13/2018 at 23:33 (2,053 days old) by Awooff (Peoria, Illinois)   |   | |
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Yes even uncooked raw egg results in smelling up the whole load of dishes. Noticed it with curry as well. Im just a scraper and always use high temp wash. Everything goes in type here. 3 dogs use my dishes or maybe you could say I use theirs. No separating loads for me. Cascade boil out and always clean and clean smelling dishes. Also if you're using chlorine bleach with enzyme detergent powders or pucks you're just killing the enzymes with bleach before they work on the dishes.
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Post# 1003633 , Reply# 23   8/14/2018 at 02:00 (2,053 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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“So two weeks without a DW and my dishes are looking better now that I'm handwashing with Dawn and a squirt of Lime-A-Way!! I do like the fact that I can get done quickly just handwashing, but I'd feel better about the stemware and cups and glasses in sanitizing with the DW. “
I still haven’t used my DW since about the middle of March, and I still don’t miss it! I know you all probably think I’m crazy as a crap house rat, but seriously, I look forward to doing the dinner dishes. It strangely is a calming ritual. And I really do believe that my dishes are much cleaner. As far as the glasses and stemware being more sanitized using the DW, well I don’t know how any bacteria will survive the detergent and hot water. I use a fresh, clean dish towel to dry,but they pretty much dry on their own, as I use the hottest water out of the tap. And I have a good pair of rubber gloves so my hands can withstand the heat, and aren’t any worse for the wear. I may never use the DW again. I especially like that when the dishes are done, so is the kitchen cleanup. No unloadoing the DW latter on at night, when I’m tired, or worse yet, getting up to having to do it first thing in morning. And I enjoy cooking more again too. Works for me. Eddie This post was last edited 08/14/2018 at 02:49 |
Post# 1003664 , Reply# 26   8/14/2018 at 11:52 (2,052 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 1003672 , Reply# 27   8/14/2018 at 13:00 (2,052 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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I can appreciate that someone might find washing dishes a "calming ritual."
I personally find it more like pure drudgery.
Part of this may just be some personal history involving a bad time of my life, during which I did a lot of dishes by hand...
Unfortunately, my kitchen doesn't have a dishwasher, so I'm stuck washing dishes by hand.
I have trouble finding enthusiasm for cooking, and I wonder, sometimes, if I'd be more inclined to cook if I had a dishwasher.
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Post# 1003677 , Reply# 28   8/14/2018 at 13:14 (2,052 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1003679 , Reply# 29   8/14/2018 at 13:35 (2,052 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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All this fear of lingering germs on hand washed dishes makes me laugh. Really, just think about all the exposure one has to germs when they kiss another person, or engage in any other intimate, personal behaviors, with persons who are often strangers when one is single. And yet you worry about the germs that may be left on a hand washed glass? Serioulsy?
As long as the dishes are washed in hot, soapy water, and rinsed in hot water, air dried or dried with a clean towel, there is little chance that anyone is going to become ill from these hand washed dishes. Yes, a DW does use hotter water, for a longer period of time, and they probably come out with less bacteria on them, but its not like you need to autoclave your dishes,. You’re not going to be doing surgery with them. And I can understand how some are completely adverse to hand washing dishes for one reason or another. So don’t then. But no one is going to become gravely ill from properly hand washed dishes. Eddie |
Post# 1003706 , Reply# 30   8/14/2018 at 17:24 (2,052 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Post# 1003707 , Reply# 31   8/14/2018 at 17:36 (2,052 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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I admire you for finding out you enjoy dishes by hand ! I found out years ago when I was a teen that I actually hated the chore as much as gardening. Only because my Mother loved to garden and used to say to me or my Dad or both of us.. " I cooked you wash up " so ok we did for a while then I bought them a dishwasher and never looked back. Same at home now I just detest doing dishes its ingrained in me its loathsome to the point I have a spare Miele dishwasher up the shed :)
But on the flip side I love to get the old twin tub or wringer washer out and do loads of laundry in it. Maybe its because I have a choice I don't know ???? Austin |
Post# 1003708 , Reply# 32   8/14/2018 at 17:56 (2,052 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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But no one is going to become gravely ill from properly hand washed dishes.
Even though I can have my germophobic moments, I'm getting by with hand washing dishes using regular detergent. Although it would be nice having a dishwasher with a sanitizing option. Not necessarily for daily use, but I get a large percentage of my kitchen stuff from thrift stores, and there is always that "God knows where this item was last!" factor. Also, when I still cooked meat, the idea of sanitizing was appealing for the equipment that touched raw meat. But I just washed that stuff independently, and it was never used on anything ready to eat.
Going back in time, I grew up in a house that only washed dishes by hand. (Well, a dishwasher was used a few times, but the number was a fraction of 1%--I can only remember that dishwasher used once.) I can't say I never got sick because of a dish that wasn't sanitized, but I can say I don't remember any illness that might have been attributed to such a dish.
I'm not 100% sure of this, but I'm guessing my mother probably had a compromised immune system at times the last few years of her life. She ate off dishes that were washed by hand, and had no problems that I can recall.
That said, there may be people who may need sanitized dishes. Say, they have a seriously compromised immune system.
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Post# 1003738 , Reply# 34   8/15/2018 at 01:55 (2,052 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Henrik about your concern re: bacteria. And I hope that my post about lingering germs vs kissing, ect., didn’t come off as too snarky. I realize that my enjoying handwashing dishes may be hard to comprehend for many. If anyone had told me 6 mo. ago that I would be gladly handwashing my dishes, I would had said ,”Oh, hell NO!” But sometimes a change is good. After all, I had been using a DW daily for over 30 years.
I’m very meticulous about my kitchen, and find that my new routine keeps everything just the way I like it. Maybe its because the state of my country is spiraling out of control, and this is something that I can exercise complete control over, if that makes any sense. And it really does seem like a zen experience to me. I like mindless, repetitive tasks, it lets me kind of zone out. And I also like to buck the trend too, LOL. Eddie |
Post# 1003741 , Reply# 36   8/15/2018 at 02:37 (2,052 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Barry I’m so sorry that your Dad is so ill,and that you have to contend with this difficult situation. I realize now that you have mentioned this previously, but I forgot. You absolutley need a DW under these circumstances, and I hope you can get it up and running again real soon.
And I hope that your Dad’s treatments will be successful. Its a lot to expect for an 88 year old man to undergo this kind of illness and radical treatments, I wish you both all the best! He is so lucky to have a devoted son like yourself, and I’m sure he knows it too. Eddie |
Post# 1003745 , Reply# 38   8/15/2018 at 04:14 (2,052 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)   |   | |
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The treatments that start tomorrow is booster treatments, it will be for only 4 weeks. Barry |
Post# 1003766 , Reply# 40   8/15/2018 at 10:03 (2,052 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Barry, maybe if you check with a hospital medical supply/equipment company in your area there is some kind of disinfectant spray that you can buy from them to throroughly spray the inside of the DW before the tech comes to repair it. Or maybe an ultra violet light left on in the closed DW for a period of time would eradicate the TB bacteria. There has to be something that hospital and hospices use for disinfection of articles that can’t be done in the conventional manner. Also, the hospital or doctor treating your Dad may have some suggestions on what you can use.
I guess the last resort would be to just get aonther DW, but thats a big expense on top of what you must already be laying out. Plus, it wouldn’t solve the problem of someone else beiong exposed to the TB contagion if they fooled around with the old DW. You are a truly good guy, and I’ll keep you and your Dad in my thoughts and continue to wish you both the best. Eddie |
Post# 1003774 , Reply# 41   8/15/2018 at 12:19 (2,051 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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that common acetic acid, or household vinegar is an effective disinfectant against the TB bacterium. I did a Google search and came up with several hits about vinegar killing the TB bacterium. I’ve posted one of the links for you, but you may want to check out the others. I also found a disinfectant spray that contains Quaternary Ammonium Compound, but I didn’t include this link. I think that by using plain old 6% concentration acid vinegar to clean out your DW before the tech arrives should protect him from infection. And if you just put some straight white vinegar into a spray bottle you can easliy go over the surfaces that you think Dad may have contaminated. Its non toxic, inexpensive and won’t damage most surfaces.
I sure hope that this will be of some help to you! Eddie CLICK HERE TO GO TO ea56's LINK |
Post# 1003776 , Reply# 42   8/15/2018 at 12:25 (2,051 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Sam's club sells sanitizer. The dishes must sit in the sink for at least two minutes and then be allowed to air dry. (resist the urge to wipe them dry, this just spreads germs).
Since you mentioned my friend and constant companion, Chlorine is out of the question, you can also use high dilution iodine disinfection. As well as the Quaternary ammonium cation that has been mentioned in the laundry section. |
Post# 1003799 , Reply# 44   8/15/2018 at 18:58 (2,051 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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